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Havent heard of the Passbook issue.

Seems odd that some analysts think this is a poor number. Consumers and enthusiasts seem to think it's an incredible number. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Personally, it seems like this is not as successful as the iPhone 4S, if you account for the additional retail coverage the iPhone 5 has. I'm curious how each launch really breaks down once you consider the number of countries and number of retail outlets carrying the phone.

Apple has another huge success on their hands, no doubt. But I don't think they had the same whiz-bang "Siri" killer feature to sell the iPhone 5. In fact, the maps app has been a downgrade. My wife and I are on the every-other upgrade cycle, so we each got a 64GB 5, since we are coming from the 4 and don't have Siri.

Could they have hit 8m units with less of a debacle with Passbook and Maps? Probably not.

What is the Passbook issue? The store being down part?
 
I just recently switched over to iPhone5 not because of iOS but because of the design of the phone. Why does everyone want a huge screen/phone? I needed to upgrade from my EVO 3d but just could not pull the trigger, the S3 or Evo 4G LTE were just too big. The size, weight, and looks of the iphone is what convinced me. It just feels right on my hands and in my pocket!
 
Key Factor

I just recently switched over to iPhone5 not because of iOS but because of the design of the phone. Why does everyone want a huge screen/phone? I needed to upgrade from my EVO 3d but couldn't because the S3 or Evo 4G LTE were just too big. The size, weight, and looks of the iphone is what convinced me. It just feels right on my hands and in my pocket!

Key factor (no pun intended) of why I like my iPhone is I dont even feel it in my pocket. It is light and thin and not bulky.

Commuter Series Otterbox arrives on the 25th and then the iPhone can share pocket space with keys and other items. Until then its in solitary confinement for resale purposes 2-3 years from now.
 
Every year, it has been lack of stock based on lack of supply. Suddenly this year it's "Apple's growth is slowing"? Get real.
 
There's a big difference between giving people something they are asking for and giving people something they will buy. It's not the job of the consumer to know what they want Apple to build. It's Apple's job to come up with something great and sell it to us.

Did Apple get in trouble for not giving people what they want? My understanding is that they got in trouble for trying to make too many products and not making any one product that was really good. Apple's increasing success has coincided with them specifically NOT responding to market trends for everything going and having a stronger focus on a smaller number of products.

Will larger screened phones start taking too much of the market? I have my doubts. I think really big screens are a fad that will pass. Like the really tiny phones of the 90s. You get to a point when things are just silly.

I agree Apple does not want to be HP or Dell and sell 500 different products, they want to concentrate on a small line of "Premium" products that gives them a larger per item profit margin. They want to be the "luxury" product line.
 
Objective facts.

Apple under promises and over delivers.

Launch weekend sales of 5 were 5m and 4S was 4m. Sales are higher.

Launch in first round countries in September week 3, about 5 weeks after production started.

Launch in second round countries in September week 4, the shortest delay ever for second tier.

More first and second tier countries promised than ever before.

More factories producing parts and assembling units than ever before.

Even "catch-up" deliveries are slightly preceeding expected delivery dates.

If Apple launched sea shipments on the same couple of days they launched air shipments, one would expect about a 2 week time to arrivals by sea.

There's a few facts for you.

Rocketman
 
1) Where comments are vicious and offensive I made it very clear that this isn't behaviour that falls under the "harmless fun" heading. I am not defending that behaviour because that behaviour is trollish or troll-like. That was the distinction I was making. Someone who attacks others (those Apple fans on other fansites attacking them for liking something else) they are trolling. You can behave as both an Apple fanboy and a troll - I support the first behaviour and I don't support the second. I think that was pretty clear in my initial comment.

2) I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. Did you see me call for them to be banned? Freedom of speech is important - as is my freedom to disagree. Nor did I in any way lump all negative comments under the heading of "trolling". You're the one who seems to have done that. I was very clear that I was talking about trolling behaviour - people who attack others in order to get into a fight or people who enjoy ruining other people's fun.

3) I didn't say Apple fans don't slag off people on other sites. I said I don't do that and that I don't support such behaviour.

4) I didn't accuse anyone of being a troll. I said I don't like trolls. My god! How defensive are you?

I'll try to make this a bit clearer. I was speaking about the difference between someone being overly enthusiastic and someone who enjoys slagging off other people and starting fights. I like enthusiastic people. I don't like people who troll. What is it about this that you're finding so confusing?

I'm sorry but your comments above are at odds with your original statement.

You said that "fanatical fanboys" are harmless. I would disagree. These are the same people who go from forum to forum attacking anyone who says anything negative or critical about Apple products. They are most definitely not harmless. You should read some of their comments. "Fanatical" anything is wrong IMHO because someone always gets hurt in the end.

What is your definition of a troll? Someone who isn't 100% supportive of everything Apple does? or just someone who posts a critical or negative comment? Either way calling someone a troll is insulting and offensive. I own lots of Apple kit but I don't like the iPhone 5 - does that make me a troll?

I'm not trying to be defensive or argumentative with you, it's just that I've seen and read first hand the harm and distress that fanatical fanboys on all sides cause. This is not harmless fun. It's a cancer that pervades the internet forums.
 
This means there are 5 million people that are lost trying to use their phone for directions right now! I hope they don't see the sales and think the OS is okay..

Please explain to me how one feature of the OS needing work means the entire iOS operating system is no good?
 
The share price is usually an indication of what the market thinks will happen in the near future, so the launch sales spike will have been factored into the $700 share price. For the share price to go up they need to out perform the market estimates otherwise the share price will remain relatively stable because the market believes it's a fair price.

However, the "miss" only knocked $8 from the share price, and so I think if sales really are 50 million for December it would bode well for them.
 
Probably closer to 8 million

Wow, that's awesome.

I know I was part of the 5 million since I bought mine this weekend

The original estimate of 8 million sold is probably true, since Apple (unlike Samsung who counts phones shipped to retailers shelves) only counts phones that are sold and delivered to users (either at retail or from online pre-orders).

Taking into account those iPhone 5s that were ordered but not delivered to customers yet, the total could be closer to 8 million (or more). :rolleyes:
 
I agree Apple does not want to be HP or Dell and sell 500 different products, they want to concentrate on a small line of "Premium" products that gives them a larger per item profit margin. They want to be the "luxury" product line.

I'm with you up to a point.

Apple must remain a quality brand. It's important that they avoid attaching their name to poor quality products (issues with Maps, Mobile Me and so on not withstanding). That's why you won't see a low end smartphone from Apple - they aren't going to go after the sub-$100 glorified feature phone market. Not only would that cheapen the brand but there's little profit to be had selling cheap products.

Luxury, however, is a word I would avoid. Yes, Apple products are luxurious in many ways. They make them from premium materials, package them in high quality packaging and have customer service that is more usually associated with a luxury brand, but Apples isn't Rolex or Mont Blanc. Apple is a mass market company that sells to the upper third of that mass market as opposed to a luxury goods brand that sells to the top 1%.

An aspirational brand, you might say. And absolutely not one that should be concerned about serving every single customer out there. Apple's focus is on making and selling the things that they think are amazing, not only filling in every potential niche. That's a good thing because complexity in product lines tends to dilute focus and confuse consumers. I can buy an iPad, safe in the knowledge that the iPad I have bought is the best one Apple could make. It isn't one of a dozen models and there won't be a new, special edition version three months later. That creates a sense of value and of quality.
 
With the early shipping of many pre-orders slated for October, quite the contrary. It still seems highly likely that the fabricated shortages are there. They will always be there. Stock will always be "constrained" for launch weekends, that builds tons of hype, and shipping units on Sunday/Monday loses no sales. It's win-win.
Just because you think something doesn't make it so. I'm sure if Apple could have built and sold 8M out of the gate they would have. The longer someone is waiting for a phone (or goes online and sees a 3-4 week wait) the more likely it is they decide not to bother, or get a different phone.
 
I'm sorry but your comments above are at odds with your original statement.

You said that "fanatical fanboys" are harmless. I would disagree. These are the same people who go from forum to forum attacking anyone who says anything negative or critical about Apple products. They are most definitely not harmless. You should read some of their comments. "Fanatical" anything is wrong IMHO because someone always gets hurt in the end.

What is your definition of a troll? Someone who isn't 100% supportive of everything Apple does? or just someone who posts a critical or negative comment? Either way calling someone a troll is insulting and offensive. I own lots of Apple kit but I don't like the iPhone 5 - does that make me a troll?

I'm not trying to be defensive or argumentative with you, it's just that I've seen and read first hand the harm and distress that fanatical fanboys on all sides cause. This is not harmless fun. It's a cancer that pervades the internet forums.

Yes - I said fanatical fanboys are harmless. I also said that trolls are not. Someone who goes from forum to forum attacking people is a troll and therefore is not harmless.

It's like me saying "bulls are harmless but not bulls in china shops" - the second statement qualifies the first. When I said fanatical fanboys are harmless but trolls are not I was qualifying my statement. It was completely clear but you jumped to conclusions are started inferring things that I didn't say.

I didn't call anyone a troll. I identified trolls and have made it completely clear what I consider a troll to be. You have chosen to ignore those parts of my posts and I have no idea why.

I was very clear and have been very consistent. I didn't set out to write a complete set of works about what is and isn't trolling or what sorts of behaviour are good and bad. I said that enthusiasm for something is good and that liking something too much, even if that liking is a bit delusional, is perfectly fine but that attacking others for what they like is not. I have no idea why you are finding this distinction so hard to comperhend.
 
Just because you think something doesn't make it so. I'm sure if Apple could have built and sold 8M out of the gate they would have. The longer someone is waiting for a phone (or goes online and sees a 3-4 week wait) the more likely it is they decide not to bother, or get a different phone.

THIS.

I find it funny there are people who actually think Apple holds back. Basically what they're saying is Apple, a hugely profit driven company, is deciding "Ehh let's not worry about another 3M iP5 sales. Let's hold these back so people want them even more and we can sell the same amount to people later."

I'd venture to say Apple's philosophy is "sell 'em as fast as we can build 'em". I don't think demand is a problem.
 
I'm sure Apple is disappointed by these numbers. Heck, AT&T alone sold 3 million of the 4S on opening weekend last year.

BTW, that is incorrect... The numbers were :

The split for the first three days of iPhone 4S sales was 48% AT&T, 35% Verizon, 17% Sprint.

Out of 4 Million. You do the math.


Hint. 48% of 4 Million is NOT 3 million.
 
THIS.

I find it funny there are people who actually think Apple holds back. Basically what they're saying is Apple, a hugely profit driven company, is deciding "Ehh let's not worry about another 3M iP5 sales. Let's hold these back so people want them even more and we can sell the same amount to people later."

I'd venture to say Apple's philosophy is "sell 'em as fast as we can build 'em". I don't think demand is a problem.

Precisely. I don't know anyone who has ever decided to buy a product because it was sold out but I know many people who have chosen to buy an alternative product because their first choice wasn't in stock.

That isn't to say that people don't get more excited to have nabbed one of a limited stock but those people would have bought the item in question whether it was in short supply or not.
 
However, the "miss" only knocked $8 from the share price, and so I think if sales really are 50 million for December it would bode well for them.

The share price goes up and down every day. I think that's more do with trading patterns and profit taking. Apple would have to repeatedly miss estimates for the share price to fall significantly. The analysts are more interested in what clues these numbers give for sales over the whole quarter or the whole year.
 
It's not the job of the consumer to know what they want Apple to build. It's Apple's job to come up with something great and sell it to us.

Interesting debate. When I go shopping I usually have a good idea what I'm looking for before I start. Then it's simply a case of assessing the available alternatives or concluding that non of the alternatives is what I'm looking for in which case I simply don't buy anything.

There was a long standing campaign in the Apple press and fansites for them to build an iPhone long before the iPhone ever came out. MacWorld was running a "we want an iPhone campaign" in 2005. People have been asking for tablet computers for many years. Even the iPod wasn't all that new as there had been MP3 players around for years beforehand. I think Apple thinks about what customers want more than they let on and tries to build the most compelling product they can.
 
THIS.

I find it funny there are people who actually think Apple holds back. Basically what they're saying is Apple, a hugely profit driven company, is deciding "Ehh let's not worry about another 3M iP5 sales. Let's hold these back so people want them even more and we can sell the same amount to people later."

I'd venture to say Apple's philosophy is "sell 'em as fast as we can build 'em". I don't think demand is a problem.

I do think it's scary people actually believe this. Especially with a company like Apple that doesn't need to manufacture hype or demand. Again it's not like Apple or carrier stores are stocked full of iPhones that nobody is buying. Most if not all are sold out.
 
Let's see....

My black iP5 has ZERO scratches or scuff marks on it after 3 days.

My wife and I just bought a home and used Apple Maps to find our way to a friend's house this weekend as it's a brand new route. And it led us directly there.

Personally I find it hilarious that "scuff-gate" and "maps-gate" are such huge deals, but when the Nexus 7 came out and I had to return 2 with faulty screens "screen-gate" was no where to be found. Just a bunch of fandroids crying "well its only been a few devices, mine is just fine!"

These scuffed iP5 issues are probably a lot more isolated than its made out to be. And it's your own fault for being disappointed in a Maps app that's only in its infancy.

Like many others are saying, if you SELL OUT and you've sold 5 Million, not sure how it would be possible to sell 8 Million....

My black iPhone 5 had ZERO scratches or scuffs as well. AND as for the maps, the first time I used it, the route it suggested to get home from work included doing a U-Turn when there was no need, I used the "Report a Problem" option in the application and by the next day it had been corrected! This is a non important street in Canada, pretty impressive if you ask me! :)
 
Key factor (no pun intended) of why I like my iPhone is I dont even feel it in my pocket. It is light and thin and not bulky.

Commuter Series Otterbox arrives on the 25th and then the iPhone can share pocket space with keys and other items. Until then its in solitary confinement for resale purposes 2-3 years from now.

With Otterbox iPhone 5 will be bulkier than, say. SGSIII wich does not need a case. As far as weight is concerned, the only heavy phone on the market lately was iPhone 4S. Samsung phones were always light.
 
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