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My black iPhone 5 had ZERO scratches or scuffs as well. AND as for the maps, the first time I used it, the route it suggested to get home from work included doing a U-Turn when there was no need, I used the "Report a Problem" option in the application and by the next day it had been corrected! This is a non important street in Canada, pretty impressive if you ask me! :)

Just like Siri (which has VASTLY improved with iOS6), the Maps app needs time in the "wild" to mature. Apple has a much better base than Google started with 7 years ago - by iOS7, I'll bet the Apple Maps rival, and maybe surpass, Google's offering.
 
Did you watch that drop test? It seems that if you think an iPhone needs a case, then most definitely the s3 needs one.
He's just trolling. This phone doesn't require an otterbox case. It's much lighter so there will be less impact if you drop it. I got myself a case just to protect from scratching. It's a thin clear (see through) case that will add minimal weight to the product and still show the beauty of the design.
 
With Otterbox iPhone 5 will be bulkier than, say. SGSIII wich does not need a case. As far as weight is concerned, the only heavy phone on the market lately was iPhone 4S. Samsung phones were always light.

Why will the iphone5 need a case? The drop tests have it performing better than the Galaxy S3.


The S3 is 7 grams lighter than the 4s...

The iPhone5 is 21 grams lighter than the S3.

Tell me which is more noticeable.
 
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These drop tests are not scientific (nor do they try to be). The results can't betaken seriously unless they drop the phones way more times. The way the tests are conducted, the way the phone hit the floor is unpredictable and if the phone hits the floor corner first, the results are usually bad (in this particular set of tests GSIII did just that). Any other type of fall and the phone has a chance to survive. iPhone 5 was a little bit more lucky here. That said. iPhone 5 is a huge improvement is a huge improvement over iPhone 4 in this regard.

Anyways, if breaking the screen is a concern, both phones need a case. If it's just scratching and horrible ergonomics of boxy iPhone shape then only iPhone 5 needs it.
 
With the early shipping of many pre-orders slated for October, quite the contrary. It still seems highly likely that the fabricated shortages are there. They will always be there. Stock will always be "constrained" for launch weekends, that builds tons of hype, and shipping units on Sunday/Monday loses no sales. It's win-win.

Just because you think something doesn't make it so. I'm sure if Apple could have built and sold 8M out of the gate they would have. The longer someone is waiting for a phone (or goes online and sees a 3-4 week wait) the more likely it is they decide not to bother, or get a different phone.

No. It doesn't work that way. I laugh at all these conspiracy theories about apple "holding back stock". The only time you hold back stock is if you want to raise prices (sell a product at a higher price). Price can be manipulated by demand. NO company in their right mind would hold back on making a sale to try and increase sales. There is something called "Impulse Buying" that could be greatly hurt by this. A large portion of Apple's customers purchase their products based on emotional decisions or the need for instant gratification. Thats why people wait in long lines at the mall, or stay up till 3am to make their purchase on opening day. Rule number 1, if you have a product to sell, and a customer wants to buy it, SELL IT. It's why Car Salespeople don't let you leave the showroom... even give you the keys to hold in your hand before they take you to the finance room. It's why most big retailers give you a 30 day money back guarantee. they want that product in your hands.

You go to buy an iPhone on impulse and it's not available, a few things can happen: you start asking yourself if you really NEED it, or your buddy gets an iPhone 5 and you see it's not much better than your 4S with iOS6, or you see all those fancy Samsung ads and wonder if you made the right choice, or your water heater blows out and now you have to spend that $500 to fix it... MANY things that can hurt the sale. Anyone who knows anything about Sales and marketing knows this is a ridiculous notion that they are "holding back".

Chances are they either underestimated sales, or their factories just couldn't produce enough at a faster pace.
 
Missed forecast by MILLIONS.

Thats the only part of this story that matters.

And, I believe it says all anyone needs to know.

I hope Apple enjoyed being top dog while it lasted.
 
From @asymco - The opening weekend sales rate for iPhone 5 is roughly the same at for the 4S normalized for number of countries

Right. And Apple is expected to continually shatter previous sales records as well as analyst's estimates. Estimates for the iPhone 5 first weekend ranged from 6M on the low end to 10M on the high end. Traditionally, Apple would surprise by selling, for instance, 11M. This paradigm is well established, and investors expect it. The fact that they failed to even meet low-end estimates is not encouraging to investors. Hence a 2% stock hit today.
 
Not surprising. With AT&T removing yearly upgrades I didn't expect this launch to be that much bigger than the 4S. Not everyone can afford to shell out $250 extra on their new iphone. That's what's keeping me from upgrading.
 
I love fanboys. I really do. I can see nothing wrong with someone liking something too much. Sure, the crazier fanboys may be deluded but who are they hurting?

That's why I will always back the fanboys in any argument with the troll or troll like flamebaiters. I don't care if the trolls are right because they're joyless gits who seem to enjoy ruining other people's fun.

Look at it this way, there are many popular artists who I don't like but I don't go and stand outside their concerts and make fun of their fans. If they're having fun and not hurting anyone then I say good for them. Similarly there are some Apple fans who are deluded or who lack a sense of proportion but why should that matter? I don't go to Blackberry fansites and take the piss out of them because of the plastic keyboards and falling sales. I don't try to make Nokia fans feel bad for their preferred brand's lack of recent success. Why would I?

I think this is where the original poster who brought up GSMArena was going with his post - it isn't that they are big Android fans but rather that they spend so much time flaming Apple. That's a negative sort of fanboyism. It's small minded and unpleasant.

I love Apple products. If you or anyone else loves products by any other company, cool. It's all about being happy, when you get down to it.

Good, cool-headed common sense. Nice one Zunjine!
 

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It would fail they said.

Who said?

but but but... what about the lackluster screen size? What about the same form factor as the 4 and 4s? What about the lack of NFC technology? but but but... what the heck you guys! you weren't supposed to buy this thing, remember!

I'm still not convinced its selling as well as Apple produced and expected; while five million is impressive, I also walked into an Apple Store on launch day with stock, and I bought one from a Verizon Store on launch day.

Everyone knew this thing would sell very well when it first came out. I was actually expecting well over 6 million. It is a far better phone than the 4S. It still is lackluster in VARIOUS ways and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves or simply ignorant of technologies available-it does some things very well, in particular with the implementation of the Gobi chip. But it isn't really innovative in any way, shape or form that I can see. And that was the criticism. Apple could've given us more, but decided to have an insanely high profit margin, and in fairness, people like me bought anyway and rewarded Apple for its decision.

Complaining about how the iPhone 5 is really lackluster versus what it could've been is not stating it will fail. Fanboys need to learn the difference. One is an expression of frustration, and the other is an outright hallucination.
 
Right. And Apple is expected to continually shatter previous sales records as well as analyst's estimates. Estimates for the iPhone 5 first weekend ranged from 6M on the low end to 10M on the high end.

It's worth noting that those estimates are made by people that know absolutely nothing about the limits of Apple's supply chain and current availability. Basically ignoring reality in the estimate. Tim Cook mentions that they did sell out the initial supply, meaning they sold everything they had.

This doesn't really tell anything about the demand other than it was higher than what they were able to sell.
 
I'm sorry but your comments above are at odds with your original statement.

You said that "fanatical fanboys" are harmless. I would disagree. These are the same people who go from forum to forum attacking anyone who says anything negative or critical about Apple products. They are most definitely not harmless. You should read some of their comments. "Fanatical" anything is wrong IMHO because someone always gets hurt in the end.

What is your definition of a troll? Someone who isn't 100% supportive of everything Apple does? or just someone who posts a critical or negative comment? Either way calling someone a troll is insulting and offensive. I own lots of Apple kit but I don't like the iPhone 5 - does that make me a troll?

I'm not trying to be defensive or argumentative with you, it's just that I've seen and read first hand the harm and distress that fanatical fanboys on all sides cause. This is not harmless fun. It's a cancer that pervades the internet forums.

Of course you are free to dislike the iPhone 5. If you chase iPhone 5 threads around to call us all sheep, etc., then you are a troll.

However, keep in mind that people who get distressed over something a nameless stranger is saying on the internet simply need to take a break until they can gain some perspective. You cannot control the behavior of another, you can only control the way you respond to it.
 
So in just one weekend Apple has already sold half of what Samsung has shipped (10 million) in lifetime sales to date.

So much for Apple being on a downtrend or the iPhone 5 being a "disappointment".
 
And yet, the Wall Street fools call this a launch a failure. I am really surprised people still listen to all these analysts.
 
I'm with you up to a point.

Apple must remain a quality brand. It's important that they avoid attaching their name to poor quality products (issues with Maps, Mobile Me and so on not withstanding). That's why you won't see a low end smartphone from Apple - they aren't going to go after the sub-$100 glorified feature phone market. Not only would that cheapen the brand but there's little profit to be had selling cheap products.

Luxury, however, is a word I would avoid. Yes, Apple products are luxurious in many ways. They make them from premium materials, package them in high quality packaging and have customer service that is more usually associated with a luxury brand, but Apples isn't Rolex or Mont Blanc. Apple is a mass market company that sells to the upper third of that mass market as opposed to a luxury goods brand that sells to the top 1%.

An aspirational brand, you might say. And absolutely not one that should be concerned about serving every single customer out there. Apple's focus is on making and selling the things that they think are amazing, not only filling in every potential niche. That's a good thing because complexity in product lines tends to dilute focus and confuse consumers. I can buy an iPad, safe in the knowledge that the iPad I have bought is the best one Apple could make. It isn't one of a dozen models and there won't be a new, special edition version three months later. That creates a sense of value and of quality.

I agree with you. I meant Luxury in the sense of a "Lexus" car is normally higher end than just a Toyota car , I did not mean luxury as in a Ferrari.
 
Missed forecast by MILLIONS.

Thats the only part of this story that matters.

And, I believe it says all anyone needs to know.

I hope Apple enjoyed being top dog while it lasted.

They can afford to miss some analyst's wild guesses by MILLIONS, and still be top dog. There's a long way between Apple's market cap, and Nokia's or RIMs.
 
So in just one weekend Apple has already sold half of what Samsung has shipped (10 million) in lifetime sales to date.

Despite an all too common myth, both Apple and Samsung include shipped numbers (devices sold to stores but not yet to end users).

So it means that over three days, Apple sold 5 million both to its own store customers and to carriers and retailers in nine countries (the U.S., Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and the U.K).

Last year, the iPhone 4S sold 4 million in the same time period over seven countries (no HK or Singapore). That's a bit more average sales per country than the iP5.

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Since it's Apple's only new model for the entire year, it will of course outsell any other individual model from other companies that have multiple choices.

Samsung has sold 20 million of just one (Galaxy S3) of their new models in under 100 days. They also sold 10 million Galaxy Notes in about nine months. Overall, they're averaging ~50 million smartphone sales per quarter.

So much for Apple being on a downtrend or the iPhone 5 being a "disappointment".

Yep, the thing to do is wait a quarter and see.
 
I think the 5M includes pre-orders. What I'm curious about is whether this includes phones sold through the carriers. Does anyone remember announcements from previous years? I feel like at&t and other carriers will release their own sales figures separate from Apple's.

I suppose this is another possibility. My point was that there must be some other number involved.
 
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