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Awesome. AT&T has HSPA+ here in Cincinnati and as long as they let me keep my unlimited data plan, I'm golden.
 
I hope they save this for the next IPhone. Heck if a quarter of these rumors are true then I'll be in line for #5
 
Didnt the 3GS have HSPA+?

Didnt the 3GS have HSPA+?


Oh, I see. 3gs has HSPA, this is hspa+. Wasnt aware
 
I really wanted a redesign ... but if it looks the same as the iPhone 4 and gives me 21mbps and the Assistant feature, I'll be very happy.
 
I'm wondering if Verizon is going to be behind again. Without LTE this is a bit lame for Verizon customers
 
It's not Apple's fault that American mobile operators are pathetic.

After all, Sweden has a population density roughly the same as the continental United States (as well as similarly dense urban areas) and they seem to have their cellular networks in order (as a matter of fact, they were amongst the first to have LTE).

If you want to point the blame at LTE's tardy arrival, you should squarely accuse AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and T-Mobile USA. Not Apple.

Every other major mobile phone producer has one, why not Apple?

Because it's domestic users can't access it.

However, Apple is becoming more global at the iP3/4/5's price point, is going to lose more market share the LTE capable phones from Samsung, especially in prepay markets.
 
Speed is meaningless when you're capped at 2gb. In fact, speed in those cases can be detrimental to your wallet.

So you burn through your cap faster, and that makes the speed in which you received your content meaningless? :confused:
 
While this is *highly* unlikely, I'm hoping (if true) this supports T-Mobile's HSPA+ frequencies. I'll buy it unsubsidized (again, if offered) and use it on T-Mo. I have fantastic HSPA+ speeds in Colorado.
 
Speed is meaningless when you're capped at 2gb. In fact, speed in those cases can be detrimental to your wallet.

You'll go thru 2GB in no time. The carriers will love these phones, many users will be paying double for data.

I understand your point entirely, but faster download speeds are always good, regardless of the caps! Remember not all networks impose such caps.

In the US the good carriers have caps, and watch how fast Sprint imposes one after they get the iPhone.
 
Faster data is always great, but I wouldn't want to see the iPhone's phenomenal battery life diminish between 4G and a rumored 4" display.


Anyways, glad to hear Apple is pushing the envelope in regards to tech specs.
Stay well MR friends

I hope that is sarcasm. They are hardly pushing any envelope.


And there go the unlimited ATT data plans, as this will require an eligible 4G data plan, none of which are unlimited

I was unaware that AT&T had separate 3G and 4G data plans.
 
While this is *highly* unlikely, I'm hoping (if true) this supports T-Mobile's HSPA+ frequencies. I'll buy it unsubsidized (again, if offered) and use it on T-Mo. I have fantastic HSPA+ speeds in Colorado.

Same here. I consistently get around 8 mb/s in most of the areas I frequent, almost as fast as my home internet!
 
Was there ever any doubt of this? The MDM6600 in the Verizon iPhone supports 14.4Mbps HSPA+. Though I do wonder where they get the 21.1Mbps number from.

Qualcomm: http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies

I also have a very strong suspicious that Apple has dictated to AT&T that they aren't allowed to call any iPhone that doesn't have LTE a "4G iPhone" or even mention "4G" in their marketing materials which contain an iPhone. That would REALLY screw up Apple's marketing when an LTE iPhone comes out and people wonder "but I thought my iPhone already had 4G!"

Half the people think that already. Especially since Apple screwed this thing up already by calling their SECOND phone the 3G. Which some people also think means third Generation like the iPods. So when the iPhone 4 comes out, people mistakenly call it the 4G either because they attribute the 4 to being a 4G capable phone, because obviously the previous model was a 3G capable up from a 2G capable (people now call the iPhone (1) the iPhone 2G when it's not) or because they are correctly referring to it as the fourth generation iPhone. I think Apple has no problem with people accidentally referring to it as the 4G or thinking it has 4G. It all works for them so innocently. Apple will have to add a plus or s to the 4 or 5. And yes, I'm sure they don't want ATT calling it 4G until it's LTE. But Apple might just be saying - the hell with it! We have to move forward where we can and if Verizon doesn't have some intermediary step, then they miss out. Perhaps the "plus" moniker that has been rumored will be attributed to HSPA"+" hmmm.
 
For most things are streaming, so if buffer time is smaller does not mean you will listen or watch so much more. Just means you wait less.

You're right - I should just assume data size will not increase in the future, especially as speed increases. That's a silly assumption.

So just to get this straight, you're saying if your video downloads faster, you're going to wait after watching until the time when the download would have finished over 3g before watching something else?
 
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Arn, will this add to the ATT network or just build on top of it? As in will it improve their data service or just speed up what is already there?
 
I doubt you're grandfathered into 4g data.

Ouch. We'll see. If they pull that stunt that's when I'll lower my data plan and maybe pick up tethering. I don't use all 2gig now, but I come close. When my wifi broke on my old 3GS, I was pulling 4 gigs a month easy. I like to watch Netflix streaming in bed and I do a lot of video work so I often am viewing rough cuts through dropbox. Without the wifi, I sucked up lots of data.
 
Speed is meaningless when you're capped at 2gb. In fact, speed in those cases can be detrimental to your wallet.

You are correct. 4G matters for video streaming, and with a cap...

The networks are a long ways away from being able to handle unlimited bandwidth at high speeds.
 
My current phone, an EVO, has a widget that allows 4G to be turned on and off. Hopefully Apple gives the consumer the option.

Apple would never do that. That's against Apple's core philosophy. The fact that that option would even be necessary shows a huge failure in the carrier's part.

so why does Apple allow me to turn off my 3G signal if it goes against their "core philosophy"?
 
I'd wish Apple would use its market power at tell providers that they have to offer an unlimited data plan if they want to sell the iPhone. Apple can be progressive at times, so why not stating that with capped data plans, the experience would suffer and therefore it can only be offered with unlimited plans? Besides: Caps are only there to make more money. They don't have to buy one dollar worth more equipment to provide unlimited data. And the providers said it themselves, it only affects some heavy users. It is bogus to say that this would affect all others because they leach the bandwidth... because they still let them and charge extra. :mad:

I always felt the same way, there must have been some real back room fighting going on during the iPad's original launch.

Remember how fast the unlimited option was taken away, like a month?

Something tells me Apple begged for them to have a month window so they could say at their presentation unlimited data was available.

Apple should force some sort of unlimited plan.

I would even be ok with a capped/unlimited plan or even throttling.

I just don't want to worry, but I also don't want the scumbags that use 10gigs a month to get away with it also.
 
I'm wondering if Verizon is going to be behind again. Without LTE this is a bit lame for Verizon customers

Exactly why I won't be getting an iPhone. I get a large discount from my employer and I have grandfathered unlimited data and hotspot with Verizon and at this point there is no way I would lock into a non LTE phone on Verizon. Especally when they are still allowing you to grandfather your unlimited data and hotspot data to LTE.
 
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You're right - I should just assume data size will not increase in the future, especially as speed increases. That's a silly assumption.

So just to get this straight, you're saying if your video downloads faster, you're going to wait after watching until the time when the download would have finished over 3g before watching something else?

Many of us have jobs and actually use our phone for data transmission and not media consumption! Often we're just waiting for an image or a file to download so we can see it and comment. There is no other file to see if that one downloads quicker.
 
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