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'iPhone 5' to Support 21 Mbps HSPA+ '4G' Technology

LukeHarrison said:
This is one of the many reasons I prefer the networks over here in the UK. They've just started rolling out HSPA+ and are advertising it as...wait for it...HSPA+.

It also means my Motorola Atrix is just an Atrix and not a Motorola Atrix 4G Evo SuperSpeed Plus 2.0. :p
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I've no doubt the networks over here would be calling HSPA+ 4G if they could get away with it. However, they know they'd be slapped down if they tried.
 
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Gimme 2x the battery life and I'd buy it.
 
JangoFett124 said:
As speeds have increased, content has grown in size to take advantage of speeds and new technology.
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I'm with you on this Jango. Increased speed is meaningless to me without larger caps. In fact, I will resist it.

First off, throughout the history of BBS's and then the internet, every speed increase has been met with more data use and up until now its been expected and accepted. But oddly, we now have people defending the capping process.

Second, faster speeds potentially allow greater bit-rates for streaming media. Think High Def Youtube videos. If you want your current usage pattern to not cause overages with this faster speed, you'll have to make sure your streaming bit-rate is not increased.

Third, faster speeds allow for currently unimagined uses. Data caps can put a damper on that.
 
dhrlove said:
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Gimme 2x the battery life and I'd buy it.
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how about the simple possibility of being able to change the battery.
 
Assuming this slide was built by someone with inside knowledge, it does seem to confirm only 1 new iPhone next week. Interesting.
 
jacoblost said:
Assuming this slide was built by someone with inside knowledge, it does seem to confirm only 1 new iPhone next week. Interesting.
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Based on this slide, it would seem that the lower-priced iPhone is just an iPhone 4. Which is good, because I may go for that one.
 
bretm said:
Many of us have jobs and actually use our phone for data transmission and not media consumption! Often we're just waiting for an image or a file to download so we can see it and comment. There is no other file to see if that one downloads quicker.
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Alright, so in that one case that makes sense. I doubt most people use their smart phones for work data transmissions only.
 
oshia86 said:
Not too quick, are ya?
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Samsung is more successful than Apple, therefore, I don't understand the comment by any metric.

With the caveat that you can't compare the market cap of companies on two different stock exchanges.

So, I really don't understand what the person was referring to.
 
clibinarius said:
No LTE, I'm going Android. If iOS makes that big of a difference, I'll just tether an iPod to it like I've been doing for months on a WebOS phone. I mean, Qualcomm's chips are ready in the right loads for Apple now, so I don't understand the delay.

I'll just wait for the Samsung AMOLED 350 dpi 4.5" displays. I don't think expecting Apple to match it was unreasonable. If you know what you're doing, Android is just as usable as iOS, though neither are as usable as the horribly mismanaged WebOS (HP and Palm = incompetent).

I mean, especially if Apple doesn't improve the screen, I don't see anything interesting in this phone that makes it worth buying, unless the voice commands make my iPhone a virtual friend when I'm feeling very lonely...

If the iPhone 5 is as pointless as it sounds, I can see why Apple has gone sue happy: They've fallen behind and stopped innovating at the same rate, yet are charging the same price. Period. And I know I'm going to be voted down for saying all companies are technologically innovating at a superior pace to Apple at the moment, but if you step out of the reality distortion field, you'd find it to be true-and there's little reason Apple can't do the same aside from wanting to have the largest margins per device.

Welcome back to Scullyville :mad:
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You bring up some interesting points concerning innovation vs profit. And to a degree, I think this is true. Apple doesn't bring you the best possible product, they bring you a good product on which they make a huge profit. They could easily offer more at the same price for slightly reduced profits but they chose not to. Apple profits are much higher than the rest of the industry. For some reason this is more important to most people here than having more features. They prefer to brag about how much money Apple is making.

cvaldes said:
It's not Apple's fault that American mobile operators are pathetic.

After all, Sweden has a population density roughly the same as the continental United States (as well as similarly dense urban areas) and they seem to have their cellular networks in order (as a matter of fact, they were amongst the first to have LTE).

If you want to point the blame at LTE's tardy arrival, you should squarely accuse AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and T-Mobile USA. Not Apple.

I would never expect the U.S. to have the same cellular coverage and performance as Japan, Hong Kong, or South Korea, however we should be able to have coverage similar to what Europe enjoys. If it weren't for our pathetic cellular companies here.
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You are absolutely correct, this has nothing to do with Apple. It is the US carriers doing. They imposed data caps as soon as using data became a viable option. Prior to this data was slow as molasses, and in most areas, it still is.
 
AeroUK said:
Oh no, I was going to move to Verizon but can someone clarify... Verizon do not support this right?

So if I move there to get better voice service I will be missing out of the faster internet speeds that ATT will be getting with the new device???
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Right. Already with the iPhone 4 the data experience on AT&T is significantly better than Verizon (much faster rates generally, plus ability to do simultaneous data/voice). HSPA+ just widens this gap.
 
SooneratND said:
Awesome. AT&T has HSPA+ here in Cincinnati and as long as they let me keep my unlimited data plan, I'm golden.
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Well we have it here in Atlanta too and my wife has a Motorola Atrix. She gets the same or less speed than my iPhone 4 even though she has a full HSPA+ signal. Bleh.
 
I wonder if this has anything to do with the "cooling off" of relations between Verizon and Apple?

I'm sure Verizon isn't thrilled to be offering an iPhone that is somewhat "disabled" on their network when comparing the same phone on AT&T's network. Sucks for Verizon.
 
tigres said:
Got a source for that?
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FWIW, when I bought my Atrix* (also an H+ phone), I did it online, and the system required me to choose a "4G Plan" vs. my existing 3G, however, the 4G plan was also unlimited since my existing plan was unlimited.

So the "upgrade" was basically to just migrate to the improved bandwidth option, the data cap (or lack of one) stayed the same. I even contacted customer service before I committed to make sure I didn't need to come into a retail store.

That being said, I'd be fine with a cap for our use. My wife went ahead and activated the "authorized" tethering plan on her iP4, which switched her from unlimited to 4GB (2GB plan, +2GB with tethering) and with both of us sharing bandwidth for a week out of town, we didn't even break 1GB. YMMV of course.


*The Atrix was returned before my 30 day trial expired. It was spectacularly mediocre though a few things were better than expected.
 
seanfranklin said:
Right. Already with the iPhone 4 the data experience on AT&T is significantly better than Verizon (much faster rates generally, plus ability to do simultaneous data/voice). HSPA+ just widens this gap.
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It widens the gap between iPhone user on different networks. But doesn't widen the gap between iPhone and android phones. Just kinda makes it look worse. Especially on Verizon. They'll have a hard time selling any iPhone 5s.
 
acidfast7 said:
Samsung is more successful than Apple, therefore, I don't understand the comment by any metric.

With the caveat that you can't compare the market cap of companies on two different stock exchanges.

So, I really don't understand what the person was referring to.
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I was just poking fun. Obviously your hair didn't even move on that one.

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Mad-B-One said:
I'd wish Apple would use its market power at tell providers that they have to offer an unlimited data plan if they want to sell the iPhone. Apple can be progressive at times, so why not stating that with capped data plans, the experience would suffer and therefore it can only be offered with unlimited plans?
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Apple has zero power over the carriers. So what if apple takes away the iphone. That only hurts apple because people will just end up buying a different cell phone.
 
re original article

"and has been calling HSPA+ "4G" in its marketing -- though many believe "3.5G" is a more accurate description..."

media event will introduce a phone called -

"iphone 4s/5 hspa+ 3.5/4G thinga-ma-jig"

predict aapl will call the next phone ip5 yet it will sport the same form factor and screen of ip4 - sorry no sexyredered in cg teardrop ip5 with edge2edge screen

though good move on aapl part to wait for a better lte chip with lower power consumption
 
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