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I know some execs here at work that will be disappointed but I doubt the vast majority of the general public will really care its not LTE
 
It widens the gap between iPhone user on different networks. But doesn't widen the gap between iPhone and android phones. Just kinda makes it look worse. Especially on Verizon. They'll have a hard time selling any iPhone 5s.

Actually it won't matter to 99% of the market. People would still by the iPhone even it was a repackaged iPhone 3. We're not talking about rocket scientists here. We're talking, Oh boy!! The iPhone!! I want one!!!
 
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JangoFett124 said:
i dont understand this. for example, buying a 8mb song on your phone, won't you just download it faster? its still going to be 8mb right?

In a vacuum, yes. But in reality I would just download more songs, watch more videos, etc.

It takes the same length of time to watch a video, or listen to a song, no matter how fast it downloads. That is now, and will be in the future, the limit. Not the download speed.
 
If you look at the placeholder for the iPhone 5, you can see that it's bigger than the other current iPhones. (
They must already know it has a 4inch screen. Or maybe they just did that because they read the same rumors we do. Or, it's all an accident.
Just something I noticed.
 
Is it me, forced perspective, or wishful thinking that the place holder image in the photo looks as if iPhone 5 is larger and resembles the leaked i5 cases?

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If you look at the placeholder for the iPhone 5, you can see that it's bigger than the other current iPhones. (
They must already know it has a 4inch screen. Or maybe they just did that because they read the same rumors we do. Or, it's all an accident.
Just something I noticed.

Dude, great minds think alike! See my post below yours.
 
If I could get 3G speeds on my 4, i'd be cool with that. But I can't have it in my covered home area- for reasons unknown. I get consistently about <1mb down, and .35 - .65 up.

So, I am not holding my breath- even if it does come out. Furthermore, wanna bet the unlimited data holders (raises hand) get whacked if you want to upgrade?

So move, or switch carriers, or take AT&T on their never ending offer to send out MicroCells.

I mean you're telling us you pay for Unlimited Data, and get those speeds?

Do you realize you're being taken?
 
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dewski said:
True. Faster connection with lower cap just means you'll get to the limit faster.

i dont understand this. for example, buying a 8mb song on your phone, won't you just download it faster? its still going to be 8mb right?

You won't reach your cap faster just because speeds are faster but when speeds are improved and streaming, downloading, and browsing are more convenient it's likely to be something you do a little more of. Obviously this won't effect everybody.
 
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It takes the same length of time to watch a video, or listen to a song, no matter how fast it downloads. That is now, and will be in the future, the limit. Not the download speed.

True, but I'm talking more about the time waiting to download. Plus you have to factor in that quality increases over time, which means an increase in file size.
 
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You won't reach your cap faster just because speeds are faster but when speeds are improved and streaming, downloading, and browsing are more convenient it's likely to be something you do a little more of. Obviously this won't effect everybody.

Not sure how people ever reach caps on iPhones. Without tethering, none of the 5 people on my plan ever go over 2 GB per month. They all have Unlimited Plans. And they use the hell out of their iPhones.
 
Awesome... So at 21Mbps, you can reach your 2GB cap in 780 seconds (13 minutes). :-/

Which means at 3Mbps you can reach it in 39 minutes. Doubt anyone is really doing that though.
A 8 Mb file is still a 8 Mb file and a 3 minute video is still a 3 minute video
 
Not sure how people ever reach caps on iPhones. Without tethering, none of the 5 people on my plan ever go over 2 GB per month. They all have Unlimited Plans. And they use the hell out of their iPhones.

I like to watch Netflix on my iPhone. That kills bandwidth like no other.
 
Which means at 3Mbps you can reach it in 39 minutes. Doubt anyone is really doing that though. A 8 Mb file is still a 8 Mb file...

True, but if you finish that 8MB file faster, then you might DL another since you now have more time.
 
FWIW, when I bought my Atrix* (also an H+ phone), I did it online, and the system required me to choose a "4G Plan" vs. my existing 3G, however, the 4G plan was also unlimited since my existing plan was unlimited.

So the "upgrade" was basically to just migrate to the improved bandwidth option, the data cap (or lack of one) stayed the same. I even contacted customer service before I committed to make sure I didn't need to come into a retail store.

Thanks for posting your experience, as I had the same questions being a current unlimited plan holder. I do notice on AT&T's website that they have different plans for 4G data but they list the same prices as the 3G plans...for now.

As to this news, I was hoping that the iPhone 5 would have at least HSPA+ and would frankly be very surprised if it doesn't, since it seems trivial (based on what I know) to add support for it. LTE is a whole different animal, but given my limited use of 3G data in the first place I would rather stick with HSPA+ for now and get better battery life until LTE hardware has evolved further.
 
HSPA+ is still part of UMTS specification. Even if it is the latest and fastest version of this norm, it is still a 3G standard.
It is not an "intermediary".

In US, the release of the EDGE iPhone corresponded to the rolling out of 3G network. But in EU, 3G networks were already deployed since a year or 2.
However, 3G cellphones were still limited by the high power usage of 3G chips and had very limited autonomy.

For Apple to deploy a technology, it needs to be ready on all levels : network, terminals and even usage pattern.

For exemple, they skipped video conferencing over 3G network even if such a norm already existed. The reason for this is this norm is very low quality to accommodate even lousy 3G connections. So if a usage pattern is not providing actual added value, Apple might delay or even replace it.



Who cares? :confused::rolleyes:

Right now AT&T iPhones max out at about 3.5 - 5 Mbps.

21 Mbps HSPA+ will see real speeds of 10 Mbps.

I'll take it.
 
I like to watch Netflix on my iPhone. That kills bandwidth like no other.

Yeah, I imagine the big data consumers are mostly streaming video and/or music (the latter possibly all day).

OOC, do you watch video like that at home? Why not use WiFi? Do you commute?

Not trying to _stalk_ you or anything, just curious ... :)
 
...I have 3 lines and one line is eligible for and upgrade but it not my line how do i go about getting the new iPhone 5 on my line if they don't up the upgrade date like they did with the iPhone 4



Not sure if this helps, but someone may have already answered this. I'm in the same predicament - somewhat but without upgrade date dilemma. I have two lines (account is in my name) and one of the two lines (the line/phone I'm not using) is eligible for upgrade. I spoke to two different ATT store associates at two completely different times about how I could upgrade to the new hardware and I got the same answer from both.

I was told that since the account is in my name, I can upgrade the hardware on the eligible line and once the new phone (iPhone 4S/5) is in my possession, I can bring my iP4 (non-upgrade eligible line/phone) in to the ATT store and have my existing number ported to the new device. My old iP4 would then become an iPhone 4 Touch ~ so to speak.
 
It's also strangely translucent. So maybe three variants: black, white, clear.

:D

I know, I know. It may mean nothing. Just hoping whoever created this slide pays as much attention to detail as apple.

Deellow- nice catch!
 
You do realize hspa+ is really still part of a 3rd generation cellular network (UMTS with WCDMA air interface).. Although I think hspa+ will be a great upgrade to have on the next iPhone.

The iPhone 4 has HSUPA (5.76mbps uplink) so how exactly is uploading a video a hassle on 3G?

You are talking about theoretical max bandwidth here...uploading a 5-minute 720p video (over 200MB of data) would take over 2 hours on 3G, think about it.
 
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