iPhone 5 Touch Screen Twice as Fast as Android Touch Screen

[Lankyman]

So "the fan boys are making Apple look bad" is your point?

When you go onto message boards of any product, the fan boys look bad...

You're not good at this are you? It's the company bothering to actually conduct such a pathetic test that makes the company at the centre of it look bad. It could be any business, in this case it happened to be Apple.

The fact that so many posters gleefully seized on the report as some sort of vindication for them buying an iPhone simply added to the embarrassment.

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People notice millisecond delays in responsiveness all the time, especially when the responsiveness in question is related to direct human input.

Or if it favours an Apple branded product maybe?

 

[kobalap]

Oops I forgot, when specs arent in your favor they dont matter all of a sudden. Way to go!

The article is not about a spec. It is a measure of performance. And tries to quantify user experience.

I couldn't personally care less about specs. I don't care what frequency and how many cores and what not. I only care about my experience with the device.

 

[pr5owner]

Because a gaming monitor would drain the battery in any smartphone empty in a few minutes.

Lower latency (faster than 60 Hz display refresh, direct mode GPUs, etc.) will be a serious trade-off against battery life. The magic is that iOS is making up some of the lag purely by having a good low latency software architecture for a smartphone.

Actually SAMOLED screens can use less power and generally OLED screens are measured in ns instead of ms

Read this. Android runs the thread of rendering with normal priority. And that can´t be changed. You should rewrite the whole OS.

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/

most desktop computers run the UI in normal priority

Not as fast as Windows running on a Quad-Socket Nehalem with shedloads of Ram...

even on a cheap garbage laptop windows 8 boots faster than any Mac ive ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYTjk0yRt0

that laptop was powered OFF.

Try this: call up your phone or tablet's stopwatch. Press start and then stop as quickly as you can. I'm using an iPad 2 running iOS 7 and I can get as low as 0.06 seconds, which is 60ms (milliseconds). My average is somewhere between 0.07 and 0.08 seconds.

that was my first try, ill try again for 0.03

The article is not about a spec. It is a measure of performance. And tries to quantify user experience.

I couldn't personally care less about specs. I don't care what frequency and how many cores and what not. I only care about my experience with the device.

lol what? touch response time IS A SPECIFICATION.

 

[duffman9000]

even on a cheap garbage laptop windows 8 boots faster than any Mac ive ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYTjk0yRt0

that laptop was powered OFF.

1. That isn't a cheap or garbage laptop.
2. Cheap laptops don't use UEFI + Secure boot to boot Windows 8 that fast.**
3. Just because your PC/laptop has UEFI and can enable Secure Boot doesn't mean Windows 8 will boot that fast*.

*I own a Asus Maximus Gene V with a 680 GTX, and 4 drives (1x256GB SSD, 1x500GB SSD, 2x2TB HDDs). The longest portion of the cold boot process is waiting to see POST. However, it will reboot ridiculously fast.

**Not all.

 

[pr5owner]

1. That isn't a cheap or garbage laptop.
2. Cheap laptops don't use UEFI + Secure boot to boot Windows 8 that fast.**
3. Just because your PC/laptop has UEFI and can enable Secure Boot doesn't mean Windows 8 will boot that fast*.

*I own a Asus Maximus Gene V with a 680 GTX, and 4 drives (1x256GB SSD, 1x500GB SSD, 2x2TB HDDs). The longest portion of the cold boot process is waiting to see POST. However, it will reboot ridiculously fast.

**Not all.

that laptop is $599 on sale right now, it is "cheap crap" its only got a sandy bridge dual core proc.

dual core anything with regards to laptops today are slow since haswell quad cores can be had for less than $700.

Here, how this for super old and crap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSgt2K0cP8

Core 2 Duo 1.6GHz lol, im surprised that windows 8 had 100% of the drivers for this machine, i didnt have to hunt for anything, all the media keys and buttons worked right away.

 

[Renzatic]

Actually, this is talked about all the time by gamers. You've never seen discussions about latency issues causing people to lose at a game? Either because gamer A has a faster internet connection or a faster graphics card, the higher framerates allowing for better response time, both of the human and the software.

You're not wrong. Response time on touch screen does produce similar results to internet lag in games. All your actions are being accounted for, but they're always just a slight bit behind the actual input. If your latency is too high, it starts feeling floaty and way, way off.

I'm not arguing that there isn't a difference, just that the difference is suddenly being blow far out of proportion now that a whole bunch of people have a solid number to put to it.

Just to test things out, I fired up Procreate and Art Studio on my iPad 3, and started dragging my finger around the screen to see how well the brushes tracked my finger. Long story short, it lagged behind a good bit. I'd say roughly about the same as the 100ms example in that video I posted. I'm willing to bet that the iPad 3 has an 85ms response time, same as the iPhone 4S.

The question is, have I ever noticed it before? Yeah, I have on rare occasion. Has it ever bothered me before? Not in the least. A stroke lagging about 1/10th of a second behind my finger doesn't present any problems with what I'm using my tablet for. I'm almost definite everyone posting in this thread has noticed it, but never gave it much attention, either. It didn't effect their user experience.

It's different with games because you're interacting with a hectic environment that requires pinpoint accuracy against moving targets. You're gonna notice being even 1/30th of a second off. With a tablet, more often than not, you're just scrolling stuff around. It's a much more laid back affair. You're interacting with it at a pace that looks like it's doing what you're telling it to do right when you tell it to do it.

So yeah, lower latency is better. I'm not gonna deny that. What I am arguing against is that the difference between the 55ms on the iPhone 5 and the 115ms on the GS4 is that big of a deal. It's not something anyone would notice through casual use.

 

[duffman9000]

that laptop is $599 on sale right now, it is "cheap crap" its only got a sandy bridge dual core proc.

I guess it's cheap crap because it's a last-gen ultrabook that is on sale?

 

[lilo777]

Actually SAMOLED screens can use less power and generally OLED screens are measured in ns instead of ms



most desktop computers run the UI in normal priority



even on a cheap garbage laptop windows 8 boots faster than any Mac ive ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYTjk0yRt0

that laptop was powered OFF.



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that was my first try, ill try again for 0.03



lol what? touch response time IS A SPECIFICATION.

Excellent point. I also tried stop watch on my Galaxy Note 2 and saw times as low a 60ms. This does not necessarily disprove Agawi's results because they measured time between touch and screen update (not between two touches) but it definitely invalidates this thread's title (iPhone 5 Touch Screen Twice as Fast as Android Touch Screen). As I argued already in this thread, what Agawi measured is open to interpretation but it certainly has little to do with the sensitivity of the screen.

 

[JAT]

even on a cheap garbage laptop windows 8 boots faster than any Mac ive ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYTjk0yRt0

that laptop was powered OFF.

Fast boot is not "boot", it is opening from a hibernation mode. The fact that M$ has finally figured out how to make a hibernation mode that is not SLOWer than normal boot is great for them, but comparing it to a normal boot is pretty silly. Also, fast PC boot times are governed more by the SSD you happen to be using than anything else.

lol what? touch response time IS A SPECIFICATION.

This is a pointless debate that has been going on occasionally in this thread, that really has nothing to do with anything. No, it is not a spec, it is a test created by a third party. If Apple and Samsung pick this up and start SPECIFYING it, then it will be a "spec". But they never have before.

 

[Fishticks]

Guess someone already said that, but Android (an OS) has no touch screen and this article has no point.

 

[croooow]

You're not good at this are you?

I am not good at figuring out your point when you are all over the place. The company doing this test is pathetic, the posts in this thread are childish. Pick a point.

 

[APhillyApple]

The article is not about a spec. It is a measure of performance. And tries to quantify user experience.

I couldn't personally care less about specs. I don't care what frequency and how many cores and what not. I only care about my experience with the device.

Huh, it is a spec that enables a better user experience. I think you are a bit lost.

 

[Jimmy James]

im not surprised. might be bias, but everytime i use an android phone, it feels clunky and slow.

I think it's more than that. Android runs Java on Linux. It seems to me a bit like running Windows virtualized in OSX and then arguing the merits of your superior hardware specs.

 

[Renzatic]

I think it's more than that. Android runs Java on Linux. It seems to me a bit like running Windows virtualized in OSX and then arguing the merits of your superior hardware specs.

Not quite. Developers aren't required to use Dalvik. There's nothing in the OS stopping people from using C++ if they felt like it. In fact, I'm pretty sure a goodly portion of them do.

In fact, as long as the native libraries are used, someone could easily compile Linux apps straight to Android if they wanted to.

 

[blazeX999]

Why not put the tech into products like surface

MS research always got some cool technologies, but what is a pity is they never deliver this kind thing into actual product. What is different about Apple is the ability to integrate technology into consumer products, no vaporware, no tech talks, just products you can buy. Microsoft knows about multitouch for a long time, why don't they put it into pocket pc. Microsoft knows graphics acceleration, why don't they put into windows mobile. Microsoft had biometric SDK for a long time since XP, why don't they put a biometric sensor to Windows Phone. We don't need tech talks, we need company that can drive and deliver these things to consumer. After all you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk too.

 

[makinao]

maybe you should drop your sense interface and get Nova Launcher.

Yup. Been there, done that. Didn't help.

 

[cclloyd]

Twice the specs in what way? I can't imagine a laptop having a CPU that's twice as fast as that in the rMBP.

2x is a little exaggerated, but the default (and as I believe, he went a little above default for most things)

AMD Radeon HD 8970M 2GB GDDR5
AMD Quad Core A10-5750M APU (up to 3.50GHz/4MB Cache)
16GB DDR3-1600 Memory
120GB SSD + 1TB 5400 RPM
802.11ac wifi and gigabit ethernet

But the battery life SUCKS. He says 3 hours MAX.

 

[SgtPepper12]

Excellent point. I also tried stop watch on my Galaxy Note 2 and saw times as low a 60ms. This does not necessarily disprove Agawi's results because they measured time between touch and screen update (not between two touches) but it definitely invalidates this thread's title (iPhone 5 Touch Screen Twice as Fast as Android Touch Screen). As I argued already in this thread, what Agawi measured is open to interpretation but it certainly has little to do with the sensitivity of the screen.

Imagine you are on the moon with a laser. You point the laser to the north pole. Then you quickly move it to the south pole. Say you needed 1 ms for that. So your laser beam needed 1 ms to move 20 000 kilometres. That's a speed of 20 million km/s. That is 66 times the speed of light. So is your laser moving faster than the speed of light?

 

[Xgm541]

You can't even recognise the difference between a software debate and a hardware debate... Learn to read articles thoroughly before giving your expert comments...

And I won't even get into the software debate...

Wow.. your post made no sense. Either you're trying to troll or aren't the brightest crayon in the box. The quoted poster was speaking about iOS. iOS is the software.

 

[Pompiliu]

This is a pretty significant difference. Android has improved in the last few years though. I wonder what this study would have looked like three years ago

Galaxy S - 223ms.

 

[iGrip]

But you must admit that the Ford Mustang is quicker than Sunoco Unleaded.

I never thought of it that way.

 

[DeathTheKid]

Even though I love the Android platform, I find this benchmark to be really informative. This goes well beyond the subjective rhetoric of: "Your device lags"..."I don't notice any lag".

This is also a great benchmark to use for new versions of Android. I am really curious to see the difference between plain vanilla Android and the customized UI's and past versions of Android.

I do find it interesting that Lumia 928 was only a few ms quicker than the Moto X. Despite them having almost the same processor and gpu. Whenever I hear comparisons between a Windows Phone and some Android Device, I always hear: "WP doesn't need much power to be buttery smooth. Lagdroid needs super powerful hardware just to come close to a single core WP."

 

[paradox00]

that was my first try, ill try again for 0.03

I don't know why that poster suggested you try that. That test is incapable of measuring response time. There's latency on both the first and second taps and as long as they are they same, the only thing that will be measured is your own response time. The latency will simply cancel itself out.

In the case of your result, you either have very quick hands or your screen has varying (inconsistent) response times and the response time improved for the second touch.

 

[Renzatic]

I never thought of it that way.

That's cuz you're a Texaco fanboy.

 

[Lankyman]

I am not good at figuring out your point when you are all over the place. The company doing this test is pathetic, the posts in this thread are childish. Pick a point.

You have my point and an argument doesn't improve for keep repeating it.