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So, long story short: I don't believe any rumors that claim larger screen sizes for the iPhone. It just doesn't seem practical.

It is practical. Apple can use a 3.7" screen and stay over the magical retina number of 300.
The aspect ratio will stay the same, so based on 3:2, a 4" screen with a 1080x720 is possible.
 
Enjoy having 80% less battery life. I don't care which phone someone buys, but I am getting tried of everyone I know that as an Android phone and its dead by 8:00pm. And I either can't reach them or they want to use my phone...

Not to mention the buggy, inconsistent OS known as Android.
 
There may be a bigger screen, but hopefully it doesn't mean a bigger device. All those 4"+ Androids look huge.

I thought the same thing until I saw my nephew's new Samsung Galaxy IIs. I love my iPhone 4 and am a life-long Apple guy, but damn, that Samsung phone is sweet. The larger screen is beautiful while still being very pocketable plus it's so thin and light. I have to admit, I'd be really happy if the iPhone went to a bigger screen, thinner and lighter.

As for as the UI goes, Android clearly "borrowed" (translation: stole, IMO) from Apple throughout. Some things are a bit different, but basically, it's very, very similar to the iPhone. That must have been an accident! LOL

Since I own a lot of Apple gear and have purchased lots of apps, I'm staying with the iPhone. If none of that was a factor? I don't know... it's a very nice phone. Apple has it work cut out for it I'm afraid.
 
It is practical. Apple can use a 3.7" screen and stay over the magical retina number of 300.
The aspect ratio will stay the same, so based on 3:2, a 4" screen with a 1080x720 is possible.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that Apple could decide to go with a lower resolution on a bigger screen (308 ppi on a 3.7" screen)? Yes, that's possible, but it seems like a step backwards. Maybe that's what they'll do, but as I said before, I doubt it.

As for a 4" screen, you can't make it 1141 pixels across the diagonal and still have 300 ppi: 1141 pixels / 4.0" = 285.25 ppi. So a 4" screen with the same number of pixels would drop the display below the "magical" 300 ppi. No way Apple does that.
 
I doubt any rumors claiming the iPhone will get a larger screen. Remember: Apple created the Retina Display to have exactly double the ppi (pixels per inch) of the previous iPhone models because it made it easy---for themselves and for third-party developers---to update the graphics to take advantage of the new screen.

Moreover, and this is important, it also made it easy for developers to ignore the Retina Display if they so chose---the iPhone used pixel-doubling to scale the existing graphics, and so interface layouts wouldn't suddenly break. If you were an iOS developer, you could get around to supporting the Retina Display whenever you wanted to, but you weren't forced to support it on Day 1. This meant that customers could trust that their apps would work on their new iPhones immediately, and maybe later the apps would look even better. This is the kind of thing that builds trust between customers, developers, and Apple itself, and don't think that Apple doesn't know and value that.

Ok, so suppose Apple gives the iPhone a larger screen. Then there are three possibilities:

1. There are the same number of pixels on the screen, but they're bigger.
2. There are more pixels on the screen, with the same resolution as on the Retina Display.
3. There are more pixels on the screen, with a different ppi than the Retina Display.

Let's take these one at a time.

Same number of pixels on the screen, but they're bigger
The first possibility seems like a bad move, since it would actually decrease the resolution of the display; the ppi would necessarily go down. I can't believe Apple would go this route. The resolution of the Retina Display is best-in-class (or near it)---why would Apple want to lose that edge?

More pixels on the screen, with the same resolution as on the Retina Display
Ok, so suppose there are more pixels on the screen. If the ppi remains the same as on the Retina Display, then the interface layouts of almost every app would break. Developers would have to create whole new interfaces to accommodate the new iPhone, while still maintaining the original interfaces to support older iPhones, and also having to write device-sniffing code to determine which interface to serve. Users with the new iPhone would find that their apps were broken, and they'd have to wait until developers caught up to the new display before they could use them. That's a big headache to dump on your developers and a big rift in user trust, and I can't imagine Apple doing it.

More pixels on the screen, with a different ppi than the Retina Display
On the other hand, if the ppi doesn't remain the same, then what should the new resolution be? In order to avoid breaking interfaces, it doesn't actually need to have double the ppi, it only needs to have double the total number of pixels across the screen in any one direction. Now, the Retina Display has 326 ppi on a 3.5" screen, for a total of about 1141 pixels across the diagonal. A pixel-doubling screen, then, needs a resolution small enough to squeeze 2282 pixels across the diagonal.

So what would be the resolution of such a screen? A 3.7" screen would need a resolution of 617 ppi to fit 2282 pixels across the diagonal, while a 4.0" screen would need a resolution of 571 ppi. Those are monumentally high resolutions, way higher than resolution of the already-best-in-class Retina Display. I have a hard time believing even Apple could make such displays at iPhone-like quantities while keeping iPhone-like prices.

So, long story short: I don't believe any rumors that claim larger screen sizes for the iPhone. It just doesn't seem practical.

According to this site:

http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html

The iPhone 4 has a PPI of 329.65, with a 3.5" display.

Maintaining the same 640x960 resolution with a slightly larger 3.7" display drops it to 311.83 PPI.

That still sounds higher than anything out there, unless I'm missing something...
 
Don't like the control apple puts forth on the iPhone

Don't like the 50 billion different versions of android on the market

...still waiting for a smart phone worth updating to.
 
one of these days smart phone makers will realize some of us have small hands. If this phone is going to be even larger, count me out of the update. Bigger is NOT always better.
 
re september iP5 release

had a hookup with a young lady this weekend and she says her friends at aapl store are saying sept release
as to hardware info - they do not have a clue

not sure about shaw wu prediction - but sounds like a good upgrade - if true
 
Why does there need to be a complete redesign to fix the antenna issue (or what remains of the antenna issue)? Would it not suffice if the gap that the finger used to bridge was moved elsewhere?

It'd save Apple quite a bit of money to just alter the iP4 design than to create a new one. They could still sell the bumpers, and no new cases would be necessary.
 
Why does there need to be a complete redesign to fix the antenna issue (or what remains of the antenna issue)? Would it not suffice if the gap that the finger used to bridge was moved elsewhere?

It'd save Apple quite a bit of money to just alter the iP4 design than to create a new one. They could still sell the bumpers, and no new cases would be necessary.
The design is tainted by the reputation. You're giving consumers way too much credit.
 
I'd be happy with just an update on the processors and camera's. It would also be cool if they were able to take "antenagate" and use that as a platform to develop and release the best antenna on the market.

Personally... I think the delays are simple. Apple learned with the iPhone 4 that rushing the product does no good. I feel like the iPhone4 and iOS 4 was rushed to meet the July ship time. Given all the little issues at launch like the iOS proximity sensor bug, I think they saw that rushing things don't do them any good.

However.... rushed or not, the iPhone4 was hardly a flop. :D

I too would love an 8MP camera and faster processor. 8MP would be more than plenty.
 
And finally, the iphone 4 is starting to get quite behind the competition hardware wise, and if apple's refreshes are going to only be 12-18 months then when they launch a new phone it has to be quite ahead of the competition so that throughout the cycle it can still stay near the top.

Very true, and it's why I am hoping for two things
1) Apple delivers a phone whose tech is on par or better than the competitions, and not just a Retina Display update.

2) the phone finally comes to Sprint if only for their true unlimited data plans.

No 4G/LTE is a deal-breaker.

Especially with the Samsung Galaxy S II being almost 300€ cheaper (485€ vs. 739€).

True and 100% agreed!

4G would have been nice but it seems Apple is very selective in its "early" adopition of "new" tech.

Also true given Apple's craze on NOT adopting two standards (BluRay and USB3)

Granted, I may be singing a different tune if I lived in an area that offered it.

True, but you would be saying something different if you lived in an area with 4G and your phone could tether or be a hotspot for up to 5 devices.

If it has LTE, I'll upgrade. If not, I'll keep my iPhone 4.

The best choice too. If the phone is just marginally faster with a slightly bigger screen and a slightly different design then there's no need to even think about upgrading.

If the device didn't have 4G, but actually showed itself worthy to replace my EVO then I'd bite.
 
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its hard to know what will come but what we do know is Apple wont make it thicker and won't decrease battery life. lte is too early for them to do plus it is a killer feature by itself. they have to bump a big update now to get people to overlook lte but next time they won't need to add much except lte. this iPhone will likely be a similar form factor but with an aluminum back which they can make thinner than the glass thereby keeping the dimensions similar while increasing internal volume. they need the extra volume for battery due to the bigger screen and the a5 (which does kill the battery faster in iPad 2 than the a4 did). they will need room because when they add lte they can't make it thicker or with less battery life. I doubt this will be tapered. they need the room now so once they add lte they won't need to make it any thicker. unless they designed their own lte chip and the thick area is fatter than the iPhone 4 to accommodate an additional antenna and its tapered to make it feel like it isn't bigger than the iPhone 4
 
That would make sense, except as I recall, the back to school promotion this year is a $100 gift card, not a free iPod.

I wonder when Apple will be releasing a new iPod Touch... I don't particularly care for one, I'm just noticing that there's a lot of talk about iPad 3 and iPhone 5, but no mentions of the other iOS device, the iPod Touch. And what of the other iPods? Will they be seeing any updates?

Good observation. I haven't heard much about other iOS devices...but the later date begs questioning what is up.

Quick search shows the following end dates:
2011: Sept 21
2010: Sept 7
2009: Sept 8
2008: Sept 15
 
The design is tainted by the reputation. You're giving consumers way too much credit.

Didn't change much when the Verizon and White iPhone came out. People still bought it.

Gotta remember consumers don't always get their way when it comes to Apple.
 
alright ill bite on this thread.

i will be buying this phone if it does not have 4G capability. If it does, i think im going to wait and see how good the battery life is on it. All reports have said that the 4G antenna is not yet efficient and would cripple the battery. so unless apple as been secretly developing their own/in collaboration with a company, i can guarantee that the phone will not have 4G capability. Do you think apple really wants everyone to be crying about their phone and the poor battery life?

also, i currently live in Canada where 4G has yet to be rolled out. Rogers has rebranded "3G" speeds and called it LTE/4G. A pure marketing ploy. Prices up here for LTE/4G will be through the roof, so im happy with 3G+Wifi.

Cheers
 
"IF" that photo resembles the soon-to-be-release iP5, then it's my iP4 winning that battle.

Personally, I feel that Apple got it right relative to the size/weight ratio on the iP4. A sliver-thin phone looks cool, but I envision it popping out of hands and more difficult to hold securely.

Same for the iPad 2, which I own. I preferred the weight and secure feel of holding the original iPad.
 
Spending $500+ dollars on a phone that does not include the latest technology. Its hard to justify spending $500 dollars on something that does not include the latest and greatest tech, especially if the only change is form factor based.

Heh. Sounds disturbingly similar to what I'm reading about RIM these days.
 
I doubt any rumors claiming the iPhone will get a larger screen. Remember: Apple created the Retina Display to have exactly double the ppi (pixels per inch) of the previous iPhone models because it made it easy---for themselves and for third-party developers---to update the graphics to take advantage of the new screen.

Moreover, and this is important, it also made it easy for developers to ignore the Retina Display if they so chose---the iPhone used pixel-doubling to scale the existing graphics, and so interface layouts wouldn't suddenly break. If you were an iOS developer, you could get around to supporting the Retina Display whenever you wanted to, but you weren't forced to support it on Day 1. This meant that customers could trust that their apps would work on their new iPhones immediately, and maybe later the apps would look even better. This is the kind of thing that builds trust between customers, developers, and Apple itself, and don't think that Apple doesn't know and value that.

Ok, so suppose Apple gives the iPhone a larger screen. Then there are two possibilities:

1. There are more pixels on the screen, or
2. There are the same number of pixels on the screen, but they're bigger.

The second possibility seems like a bad move, since it would actually decrease the resolution of the display; the ppi would necessarily go down. I can't believe Apple would go this route. The resolution of the Retina Display is best-in-class (or near it)---why would Apple want to lose that edge?

Ok, so suppose there are more pixels on the screen. If the ppi remains the same as on the Retina Display, then the interface layouts of almost every app would break. Developers would have to create whole new interfaces to accommodate the new iPhone, while still maintaining the original interfaces to support older iPhones, and also having to write device-sniffing code to determine which interface to serve. Users with the new iPhone would find that their apps were broken, and they'd have to wait until developers caught up to the new display before they could use them. That's a big headache to dump on your developers and a big rift in user trust, and I can't imagine Apple doing it.

On the other hand, if the ppi doesn't remain the same, then what should the new resolution be? In order to avoid breaking interfaces, it doesn't actually need to have double the ppi, it only needs to have double the total number of pixels across the screen in any one direction. Now, the Retina Display has 326 ppi on a 3.5" screen, for a total of about 1141 pixels across the diagonal. A pixel-doubling screen, then, needs a resolution small enough to squeeze 2282 pixels across the diagonal.

So what would be the resolution of such a screen? A 3.7" screen would need a resolution of 617 ppi to fit 2282 pixels across the diagonal, while a 4.0" screen would need a resolution of 571 ppi. Those are monumentally high resolutions, way higher than resolution of the already-best-in-class Retina Display. I have a hard time believing even Apple could make such displays at iPhone-like quantities while keeping iPhone-like prices.

So, long story short: I don't believe any rumors that claim larger screen sizes for the iPhone. It just doesn't seem practical.

IOS has resolution independence (scroll down a little on that page). This means if Apple releases a phone with the same resolution but bigger screen the whole interface increases at the scale of the display increase. A 3.7" iPhone would be about 1.06 (rounded up) times larger. With resolution independence, the whole interface would be multiplied by 1.06. A box on a iPhone 4 of 1" by 1" would now appear as a box of 1.06" by 1.06" on a larger iPhone 5. Retina display only needs 300 PPI and a 3.7" phone would have about 311 PPI, which is still "retina". A 4" screen would have a PPI of 288, so a 4" screen would be unlikely.
 
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This is MacRumors... But I would like to see this and other sites start tracking or keeping a score card on the analysts, speculators, insiders.

That would be great to see. All analysts charted for accuracy over the last 5 years to see just how bad they really are with predictions.

Also, what ever happened to everyone talking about Apple adding NFC to their phones?
 
Enjoy having 80% less battery life. I don't care which phone someone buys, but I am getting tried of everyone I know that as an Android phone and its dead by 8:00pm. And I either can't reach them or they want to use my phone...

I usually just buy a second battery with my phones (I don't have an iPhone but I do have many other Apple products) and sometimes I just pick up an aftermarket one with increased capacity when I travel to Asia. It's takes 1 minute to change the battery, so it's not a big deal. However, I could see how it could be annoying if you didn't want to buy another battery at the beginning.

But if you're spending 500€, what's 520€ or 550€ for extra convenience?
 
IMO the iphone 4 is still the best and from what I see the best selling smartphone on the market. I dont really see the need for a significant upgrade.
 
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