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iPhone 5 is just plain underwhelming. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 with a broken home button, and I've pretty much decided I'm returning the 5 and repairing the 4's home button.

Sucks. :(

Positives for the 5:

Much sturdier and less susceptible to breaking panels.

Much better speaker (not too important for me, but it's a big improvement over the 4).

Some speed improvements.


Negatives:

iOS 6 Maps

Incompatible dock connector with no adapter supplied.

Black model VERY prone to scratching.

Performance improvements aren't great enough to really notice unless you're looking side-by-side.

You're confused. I don't care how you justify it, returning a 5 and getting a 4 (not even a 4S) is just plain silly.
 
Why do you keep calling it "iPhone 6th gen" in every single posting?

You really like complex names or can't you just not get over the official name iPhone 5?
Or do you simply want to show what a well informed nerd you are?

iPhone (1st generation)
iPhone 3G (2nd generation)
iPhone 3Gs (3rd generation)
iPhone 4 (4th generation)
iPhone 4s (5th generation)
iPhone 5 (6th generation)

Doesn't take a nerd to understand why he's calling it "iPhone 6th generation".
 
iPhone 5 is just plain underwhelming. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 with a broken home button, and I've pretty much decided I'm returning the 5 and repairing the 4's home button.

Sucks. :(

Positives for the 5:

Much sturdier and less susceptible to breaking panels.

Much better speaker (not too important for me, but it's a big improvement over the 4).

Some speed improvements.


Negatives:

iOS 6 Maps

Incompatible dock connector with no adapter supplied.

Black model VERY prone to scratching.

Performance improvements aren't great enough to really notice unless you're looking side-by-side.
Sorry, but I really don't believe that you actually have an iPhone 5. Listen you need to be satisfied with what you have. I have a 4S and I am satisfied with it enough to wait for the next model but if you are really upgrading from an iPhone 4 then you are just deluding yourself.

Even though I am not going to do an early upgrade this year, I can freely admit that the iPhone 5 has a better camera than the 4S (which itself is better than the 4) and I can also admit that the 5 has better network speeds.

You need to learn to be happy with what you have and stop being such a whiner.
 
A lot of people whinning, and to them I say who buys a phone based off one feature? The video stabilization? If its THAT important, I got video editing tools I can use to still it down.

Also was I the only one thinking "Woaw...nice house..." lol
 
The colors look better and it looks more stable

Totally subjective stuff, but the iPhone 5 appears marginally better; but I await camcorder.com to do an objective, measurement based set of tests. More vivid colors may not be more accurate, for example.
 
Whoever says this is a huge improvement has fallen into the fallacy of the placebo effect. There is no tangible different between cameras besides the waterfall clip.
The flora is significantly less fuzzy and mushy looking on the iP5. It really is. The detail on the pebbles, and well.. most things is better too.

I don't understand why people can't see this. It's nothing to do with Placebos. You can even freeze frame it and see a big difference throughout much of the video.
 
FYI - If you can't see the difference, you are probably not watching the video in full screen or you are watching it at less than 1080p (can be adjusted bottom right of youtube window)
When viewed full screen with 1080p, the difference is very clear. Watching the clip at 480p will not show a tangible difference between the phones.
 
without stabilized controlled shots this kind of test is almost worthless. Yes it appears the 5 is better, but not by much for the back camera. With proper camera work both could be better, how much better? We'll never know. Mr ADD camera operator didn't bother.
 
iPhone (1st generation)
iPhone 3G (2nd generation)
iPhone 3Gs (3rd generation)
iPhone 4 (4th generation)
iPhone 4s (5th generation)
iPhone 5 (6th generation)

Doesn't take a nerd to understand why he's calling it "iPhone 6th generation".
Yes, but apple doesn't refer to it as the 6th gen like it does to it's iPods. They simply call it iPhone 5. We don't refer to the 4S as the 5th gen iPhone. That's just plain silly.
 
Better color on the iPhone 6th gen, definitely. Look at the sky and the greenery if you don't catch it right away.

you mean the iPhone 5. Right? :)

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iPhone (1st generation)
iPhone 3G (2nd generation)
iPhone 3Gs (3rd generation)
iPhone 4 (4th generation)
iPhone 4s (5th generation)
iPhone 5 (6th generation)

Doesn't take a nerd to understand why he's calling it "iPhone 6th generation".

He sounds like one of those guys that thinks the name should be different. (still)
 
iPhone (1st generation)
iPhone 3G (2nd generation)
iPhone 3Gs (3rd generation)
iPhone 4 (4th generation)
iPhone 4s (5th generation)
iPhone 5 (6th generation)

Doesn't take a nerd to understand why he's calling it "iPhone 6th generation".

Yes because people before telling the name of a phone make in their mind the generation count or memorize it so they don't need to count either :)
 
Is that someone's house? Do they have a river running through their house? It seems like I heard a bubbling brook throughout the whole video...
 
I can tell a quality difference

Even though the "monkey cam" was jumping around a bit the iPhone 5 took a sharper image. I could especially see it on the water on rocks portion of the video. It it is easier I think to make a determination when the shooter stops panning the camera. The color seemed better on the 5.

I tried stopping the video, but when I did that sometimes the 4 looked better. It just depended when I stop the video. But video smear seems common when you stop a video.

Maybe some pro video expert can sort it out for us?
 
You're confused. I don't care how you justify it, returning a 5 and getting a 4 (not even a 4S) is just plain silly.

Or thrifty since the 4 is capable of doing what most people need. Sure the 5 is better but to think that means it is a better choice is silly. Foolish even. Part of the reason so many people are in debt, we are obsessed with having new/better things and don't realize we get by quite well with what we have.

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FYI - If you can't see the difference, you are probably not watching the video in full screen or you are watching it at less than 1080p (can be adjusted bottom right of youtube window)
When viewed full screen with 1080p, the difference is very clear. Watching the clip at 480p will not show a tangible difference between the phones.

I can see a difference. Is it reason enough to justify spending $300, signing a new 2 year contract, and ditching my collection of accessories? Nope.

Sure watching it at 1080P does show differences. But if you show the same 4S video alone, people will be plenty impressed. Now consider most will only see it as 720P (or lower) on a small screen, any improvements are further negated.

Bottom line is the iPhone 5 is a good option for those with money to spare or who don't have an iPhone 4S (or even a 4). Most people never use the phone they have to the fullest. Upgrading to a 'better' device is just baffling to me, until I remember how obsessed we are with consumerism.
 
Or thrifty since the 4 is capable of doing what most people need. Sure the 5 is better but to think that means it is a better choice is silly. Foolish even. Part of the reason so many people are in debt, we are obsessed with having new/better things and don't realize we get by quite well with what we have.

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I can see a difference. Is it reason enough to justify spending $300, signing a new 2 year contract, and ditching my collection of accessories? Nope.

Sure watching it at 1080P does show differences. But if you show the same 4S video alone, people will be plenty impressed. Now consider most will only see it as 720P (or lower) on a small screen, any improvements are further negated.

Bottom line is the iPhone 5 is a good option for those with money to spare or who don't have an iPhone 4S (or even a 4). Most people never use the phone they have to the fullest. Upgrading to a 'better' device is just baffling to me, until I remember how obsessed we are with consumerism.

I get what your saying, but in terms of tech, iPhone 5 is better than 4. Simple as that.

As far as money, there is a personal selling market (eBay), and my 4S pretty much paid for my iPhone 5. But that's my own case...
 
Is this genuine?

Anybody else catch the reflection in the mirror during the indoor stabilization test? Specifically I'm talking about the fact that in both the 4S and 5 tests the reflection in the mirror shows the cameraman with only one device in his hand and it looks like the same device in both "tests". However the description of the video says:

"Both iPhones were handheld on top of one another to have equal comparison
All Video has not been altered other than cropping/sizing"

Now maybe this was one exception where the cameraman shot the two pieces of video separately. However the motion in the two tests seems, at least to me, to be EXACTLY the same. If they were shot separately, it would be near impossible to get the exact same motion when filming handheld.

So what gives here. Is this video genuine?

I could be totally wrong here and if I am, let me apologize in advance to the video's creator. Can anybody else tell me if they see the same thing I'm seeing? And can anybody else conduct a similar test and tell us if they come up with the same results?
 
Wouldn't high contrast generally mean more/better data collected? And therefore more flexibility? I thought you could alter down, but not up. (in contrast or saturation)

Usually, particularly outdoors in daylight, the problem you'll face is that the difference between deep shadow and direct sunlight (or other bright regions in the image, like scattered light from the sky) is too much for your imaging sensor to capture. If deep shadows look like saturated black, you've thrown away detail in those areas, most likely.

If your sensor has a wider dynamic range, meaning it can retain all that detail from dark to light, that can make the images seem lower contrast when they're displayed, but because all that information is retained, you can potentially go in and increase the contrast by hand to make an image that looks nicer but retains however much detail in the shadows that you prefer.

What makes it more complicated, though, is that good optics are higher contrast, meaning that the lenses aren't artificially scattering light from bright to dark areas of your image. This kind of scattering, usually called "lens flare," can improve shadow detail but it's unpredictable because it often depends on out-of-frame light striking the lens.

Finally, video cameras usually apply a color correction to the image colors which has the effect of making them more contrasty. This is because taking a direct measurement of a scene's brightness and mapping it onto the range of black to white on a display device would make a picture that were very flat and uninspiring, because the display device can't represent the scene's brightness range.

There is more shadow detail in the iPhone 4S outdoor video. This could mean lower quality optics, dirty optics, a higher dynamic range sensor capturing a broader range of brightnesses (and thus looking more flat), or a different contrast curve applied after capture. If I were going to color correct my final product, that extra shadow detail might be a plus, though if it's a matter of lens flare then it might come and go over a shot as the camera moves, and that's no good.

If I were using the video straight out of camera with no adjustment, the punchier iPhone 5 look is more pleasing to me.

I suspect, like I said before, that it's probably flare from a lens that's been exposed to the elements (at least in someone's pocket) because the sensors and optics on these cameras are not THAT different by spec, and I doubt whomever did the test had a pristine, new, in-box iPhone 4S for comparison. This probably affects apparent sharpness as well.

As for things like tearing, that's been a difficulty with iPhone 4S video from the beginning, and the iPhone 5's better specs seem to help, which is good. I have never found the 4S video very useable, for this reason.
 
Just to be clear. Everyone here did notice that the water and rocks video was shot with the front cameras only right?

Back cameras look very similar with the 5 having a slightly better quality over the 4S.

Front cameras were a huge difference but going from a VGA to 720p sensor will do that.
 
Whoever says this is a huge improvement has fallen into the fallacy of the placebo effect. There is no tangible different between cameras besides the waterfall clip.

The big shocker to me was the iPhone 5 stabilization and lack of tearing. For some reason it seems a lot better. Other than that, there are distinct differences and they're mostly minor.

You have to realize that there are great differences in how individuals perceive images. Some people are more sensitive to minor differences naturally, and in my case at least seeing those kinds of minor differences in images is a key element of my job, so I'm in the habit of picking them out. That doesn't mean those distinctions are worth spending money to upgrade, by any means, but they are actually there.

I just went from an iPhone 4S to a 5 for other reasons, but I am not too worried about which one "wins." I mean, it's as likely the 5's hardware has been cost-reduced or redesigned for compactness in a way that makes it worse, but this video seems to make clear that at least that's not a discernible issue.
 
Front camera as I have tested is much better on the 5. No if and or but about. I never had the 4s so I can't say for sure, but the video on the 5 is much less jerky and a bit better in low light which is probably a more important factor than a bit more sharpness. Still pictures are a completely different test.
 
"Both iPhones were handheld on top of one another to have equal comparison
All Video has not been altered other than cropping/sizing"

...

I could be totally wrong here and if I am, let me apologize in advance to the video's creator. Can anybody else tell me if they see the same thing I'm seeing? And can anybody else conduct a similar test and tell us if they come up with the same results?

I interpret that statement to mean that he placed the two phones back-to-front, flat against each other, and slid the one toward him over an inch or so to give its camera a clear view. This would allow him to hold them comfortably and get nearly identical views of the scene.

The image of him in the mirror is pretty difficult to see clearly, but certainly consistent with that. You would only be able to see a half-inch or so of the second phone poking out from one side, and there's no way I could pick that out in that video.
 
When viewed on the screen of my 4s, I can't tell the difference, except for maybe the water on rocks part.
 
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