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Went to genius bar for my appt today. Immediately upon describing issue, gentlemen put some LENGTHY described notes into my account. Seems like he knew exactly what the issue was.

He told me that "engineering has already fixed the issue" and that that subsequent phones should be better. He shook my phone and noticed rattling inside as well as from the power button.

He said that this is an obvious hardware/gyro issue and also noted that compass was constantly recalibrating... even though we never turned it on nor did I tell him. So obviously they're aware.

I was told I would have to wait probably a week for a replacement 64GB 5s. With dumb luck as we were filling out the invoice a shipment showed up and I walked with a new phone today.

My backup was on computer and not cloud so we were unable to test in-store. I will report back later on and see if all issue's are rectified.

For recap I had:

64GB Gray 5s ordered 12:03 launch night. Received with first wave of shipments

Rattling Power Button/inside phone... could really hear when vibrating.
Seemingly loose fingerprint home button
Lagging Parallax (He described as SERIOUSLY HANGING)
Gyro/Level was off by 3degrees & constantly recalibrating on launch

Hopefully all is now fixed, he seemed to assure me that it would be. :apple:

So its a hardware issue/fault that has been fixed in factory?
 
Curious also. Hardware not sw? :(

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Went to genius bar for my appt today. Immediately upon describing issue, gentlemen put some LENGTHY described notes into my account. Seems like he knew exactly what the issue was.

He told me that "engineering has already fixed the issue" and that that subsequent phones should be better. He shook my phone and noticed rattling inside as well as from the power button.

He said that this is an obvious hardware/gyro issue and also noted that compass was constantly recalibrating... even though we never turned it on nor did I tell him. So obviously they're aware.

I was told I would have to wait probably a week for a replacement 64GB 5s. With dumb luck as we were filling out the invoice a shipment showed up and I walked with a new phone today.

My backup was on computer and not cloud so we were unable to test in-store. I will report back later on and see if all issue's are rectified.

For recap I had:

64GB Gray 5s ordered 12:03 launch night. Received with first wave of shipments

Rattling Power Button/inside phone... could really hear when vibrating.
Seemingly loose fingerprint home button
Lagging Parallax (He described as SERIOUSLY HANGING)
Gyro/Level was off by 3degrees & constantly recalibrating on launch

Hopefully all is now fixed, he seemed to assure me that it would be. :apple:

Any update?
 
For science, I'm doing a backup and restore of my iPhone 5s.

Here's the procedure..

1) Backup in iTunes and iCloud
2) DFU Mode restore to 7.0.2
3) Setup as NEW phone
4) Leave 90 minutes on a flat/level surface in DND mode
5) Realize that I just wasted about 2 hours of my life.....

But, it's for science, so, I'm gonna do it. I'll report back in about 2 hours or so.... Wish me luck!
 
I received a call back today from a gentleman titled as, corporate executive relations. I have been in contact with him after emailing Tim Cooks apple email. Apple does not have a fix for this ATM and no ETA. I was told to keep the phone updated and check the level after updating. Replacing the phone was not going to fix the problem and they were not going to do replacements at this time.

Oh goodie...
 
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Curious also. Hardware not sw? :(

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Any update?



To my dismay it was even worse than the first phone. This one was 4 degrees and as high as 5 degrees off out of the box. (The initial phone was 2-3). Was also still having major lagging in the parallax effects.

Obviously irritated I went back to the Apple store and spoke with a manager. He wasn't too pleased with having to replace a brand new 5s for the second time in a day. He went and got (assumed) his 5s from the back and put it next to mine. He spent a good 15-20 minutes sitting at a table trying to match calibrate both phones. (His constantly said -1 or -2, and mine constantly said -4). He was trying everything he could to make them match so he didn't have to replace. He kept saying that it was normal for new software to be glitchy and that this was a minimal issue.

I'm still less than 7 days from delivery, so he told me I could have another one, or he'd order one but I had to make a choice. He still said he didn't think a replacement would fix anything. I pressed for another new phone today very calmly and politely, and he made me wait 45 minutes for a genius table to open up. (*That's another story for another day :mad: ) So I left and went back for the 3rd time today an hour later.

Tech comes over, cool kid obviously been briefed from manager, and gets a new phone out of a drawer this time. (Last phone was brought from the back). Instead of walking out without even powering the thing on, we sat the phone on the table and immediately it snapped to -1 which at this point I feel is acceptable variation for an iphone out of box. We calibrated several times and always went back to -1 or even a brief 0.

So it looks like there are phones out there that will be close to zeroed when it comes to the Gyro/Compass. It also looks like there are plenty that are 3-4 degrees off.

As for the parallax, on this phone I'm still seeing some hang/lag and I truly hope this IS a software issue and not an M7 glitch.

Can't hear as loud of internal rattle when shaking, but still a bit loose sounding in power button & home button compared to 5. After testing every phone in store lol I'm assured that this is the new design of both parts.


***Manager stated that having to constantly recalibrate the compass is a known bug for whatever that's worth. He also said Apple hasn't stated anything official on any of this. It's my assumption it's starting to become widespread though, judging from my experience. :apple:

In the end it wasn't the best experience I've had with Apple CS, but I still made a point to go find the manager and say thanks before I left store. It's sad but not a lot of companies would sit and hand a customer $2400 worth of product to satisfy their complaint, no matter how wrong they were. So I can still give Apple credit and say this is why I purchase their products.

Hope this helps anybody having same type of issues. It'll be interesting to see what some of the next iOS updates do to Parallax & overall operation.
 
To my dismay it was even worse than the first phone. This one was 4 degrees and as high as 5 degrees off out of the box. (The initial phone was 2-3). Was also still having major lagging in the parallax effects.

Obviously irritated I went back to the Apple store and spoke with a manager. He wasn't too pleased with having to replace a brand new 5s for the second time in a day. He went and got (assumed) his 5s from the back and put it next to mine. He spent a good 15-20 minutes sitting at a table trying to match calibrate both phones. (His constantly said -1 or -2, and mine constantly said -4). He was trying everything he could to make them match so he didn't have to replace. He kept saying that it was normal for new software to be glitchy and that this was a minimal issue.

I'm still less than 7 days from delivery, so he told me I could have another one, or he'd order one but I had to make a choice. He still said he didn't think a replacement would fix anything. I pressed for another new phone today very calmly and politely, and he made me wait 45 minutes for a genius table to open up. (*That's another story for another day :mad: ) So I left and went back for the 3rd time today an hour later.

Tech comes over, cool kid obviously been briefed from manager, and gets a new phone out of a drawer this time. (Last phone was brought from the back). Instead of walking out without even powering the thing on, we sat the phone on the table and immediately it snapped to -1 which at this point I feel is acceptable variation for an iphone out of box. We calibrated several times and always went back to -1 or even a brief 0.

So it looks like there are phones out there that will be close to zeroed when it comes to the Gyro/Compass. It also looks like there are plenty that are 3-4 degrees off.

As for the parallax, on this phone I'm still seeing some hang/lag and I truly hope this IS a software issue and not an M7 glitch.

Can't hear as loud of internal rattle when shaking, but still a bit loose sounding in power button & home button compared to 5. After testing every phone in store lol I'm assured that this is the new design of both parts.


***Manager stated that having to constantly recalibrate the compass is a known bug for whatever that's worth. He also said Apple hasn't stated anything official on any of this. It's my assumption it's starting to become widespread though, judging from my experience. :apple:

In the end it wasn't the best experience I've had with Apple CS, but I still made a point to go find the manager and say thanks before I left store. It's sad but not a lot of companies would sit and hand a customer $2400 worth of product to satisfy their complaint, no matter how wrong they were. So I can still give Apple credit and say this is why I purchase their products.

Hope this helps anybody having same type of issues. It'll be interesting to see what some of the next iOS updates do to Parallax & overall operation.

Very helpful. Thanks for all the great info!
 
Brother's 5s is off by -4. My wife's is off by -1. All of our old 5(s) are dead on at 0.
Brother's was Friday release day at store. Wife's came from China with the rest of the shipments that were ordered at 2:01am that day online.
 
To my dismay it was even worse than the first phone. This one was 4 degrees and as high as 5 degrees off out of the box. (The initial phone was 2-3). Was also still having major lagging in the parallax effects.

Obviously irritated I went back to the Apple store and spoke with a manager. He wasn't too pleased with having to replace a brand new 5s for the second time in a day. He went and got (assumed) his 5s from the back and put it next to mine. He spent a good 15-20 minutes sitting at a table trying to match calibrate both phones. (His constantly said -1 or -2, and mine constantly said -4). He was trying everything he could to make them match so he didn't have to replace. He kept saying that it was normal for new software to be glitchy and that this was a minimal issue.

I'm still less than 7 days from delivery, so he told me I could have another one, or he'd order one but I had to make a choice. He still said he didn't think a replacement would fix anything. I pressed for another new phone today very calmly and politely, and he made me wait 45 minutes for a genius table to open up. (*That's another story for another day :mad: ) So I left and went back for the 3rd time today an hour later.

Tech comes over, cool kid obviously been briefed from manager, and gets a new phone out of a drawer this time. (Last phone was brought from the back). Instead of walking out without even powering the thing on, we sat the phone on the table and immediately it snapped to -1 which at this point I feel is acceptable variation for an iphone out of box. We calibrated several times and always went back to -1 or even a brief 0.

So it looks like there are phones out there that will be close to zeroed when it comes to the Gyro/Compass. It also looks like there are plenty that are 3-4 degrees off.

As for the parallax, on this phone I'm still seeing some hang/lag and I truly hope this IS a software issue and not an M7 glitch.

Can't hear as loud of internal rattle when shaking, but still a bit loose sounding in power button & home button compared to 5. After testing every phone in store lol I'm assured that this is the new design of both parts.


***Manager stated that having to constantly recalibrate the compass is a known bug for whatever that's worth. He also said Apple hasn't stated anything official on any of this. It's my assumption it's starting to become widespread though, judging from my experience. :apple:

In the end it wasn't the best experience I've had with Apple CS, but I still made a point to go find the manager and say thanks before I left store. It's sad but not a lot of companies would sit and hand a customer $2400 worth of product to satisfy their complaint, no matter how wrong they were. So I can still give Apple credit and say this is why I purchase their products.

Hope this helps anybody having same type of issues. It'll be interesting to see what some of the next iOS updates do to Parallax & overall operation.

First, the parallax "bug" is there on the iPhone 5, as well. It's just not very smooth, at all. You could have just asked here and we'd have told you this. All iPhone 5 and 5s devices handle this the same way, M7 or otherwise.

As far as the accelerometer goes, we'll just have to continue to wait and see how that goes.

Oh, and it's not a bug to have to calibrate the compass each time the app is loaded. It's been like that since the BETAs, as I recall.
 
Checked some display phones at a store. One was so off, I think like - 8. Others were -3/4 and one was -1. It looks like a hardware issue with different variations.
I ordered mine today through T-Mobile. I'm not holding my breath: knowing Apple it might take up to 3 months for them to fix this. At least, I can use the phone until the issue is fixed and then exchange it for a good one.
 
Mine is off by -2, which of course is unacceptable to me, but what really suck is my screen is awesome, camera is perfect, and I don't want to play iPhone roulette. (been there, done that)

I really hope they can find a software fix, or maybe they can re calibrate them at the Apple store. But my sneaking feeling is they are as perplexed as we are, and this may come down to a recall... oh man that would suck.

I'm thinking I might just live with it until next year when I get the new 6c, years go by fast and I'll just compensate when I need to use it.
 
For science, I'm doing a backup and restore of my iPhone 5s.

Here's the procedure..

1) Backup in iTunes and iCloud
2) DFU Mode restore to 7.0.2
3) Setup as NEW phone
4) Leave 90 minutes on a flat/level surface in DND mode
5) Realize that I just wasted about 2 hours of my life.....

But, it's for science, so, I'm gonna do it. I'll report back in about 2 hours or so.... Wish me luck!

I done this already. Changed nothing
 
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It could be software .... could be that this fake 90 minute charge thing should reset the self-level but doesn't

Could be that the interface between M7 and A7 is not retaining data
Could be a physical defect in manufacturing but given the boards are going to be robot made feels less likely

We seem to be getting mixed stories from Apple support / Genius'

I'm about to speak to Applecare again to get my shipping sorted on replacement... will ask if this is a known issue and if not that they need to get on-top of this as the rumours of Gyro-gate are stirring.
 
Apple have no idea at the moment what is causing this.
I expect their engineering dept are sourcing the problem and will hopefully come up with a SW solution but no way will they do a recall unless the problem becomes public.
 
I just had my callback from Apple .... the guy said that he actually doesn't want to replace the device just yet as he did raise a case with internal engineering and is awaiting their instructions ..

For example they may want to capture the device through them rather than just a straight replacement through retail. Either way he's asking me to wait a couple of days for a response from them.

So i suppose like others have said, this is either a hardware or software fault which they may or may not be already aware of.

Either way i have a direct dial number for them now to speak to same person.
 
Tried using Google Maps and Citymapper today, and wow, the compass in those apps was WAY off. The direction was incorrect by 40-50 degrees and the direction kept jumping all over the place, sometimes flipping by 180 degrees. I was using these apps continuously for about 15 minutes and the problem persisted. I have around 4 to 5 degrees inaccuracy on the level, and I'm betting the problems are related. Booked a Genius Bar appointment for Saturday but I'm not expecting a fix. Very annoying :/
 
Spoke to apple care about this, an issue with touchID not working anymore and slight bleed in one corner. Their solution was to send out out a refurbished unit swap. Didnt want yo do that (yet) as I am still within return period. Apple store where I purchased is out of stock i am sure they will stay out of stock till return period runs out.

I miss my scuffed 5 :)
 
Got a call back from a different senior advisor today and he told me engineering wanted to capture my device to see what's going on.

I politely told him no, and if he wants to see a defective device, all he has to do is wait in line with the rest of the crazy people and get pretty much any iPhone 5s from anywhere. :D

Well, not literally, but along those lines, pretty much. :) Anyway, he left to find out what's going on, but it does sound like things aren't quite ready for a fix yet…

He did offer me a replacement device to be shipped to me, but I politely declined at this time, since what's the point?
 
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