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Now take that logic to Starbucks and you realize that a lot of companies do this. Is a venti Mocha twice the cost of a tall? Nope. Actually it's about 5¢ more cost. It's business man, get used to it....

Are you saying the 64 gig iPhone is twice as powerful as the 32 gig? Cause...last I checked, a venti is twice the amount. So apples with apples here.

Contrast to Subway, if spend $4 on a 6", why is a foot long $5? It is twice as much food, right?

Although to defend Apple: 1. They sell more than enough without needing a Micro SD card 2. They don't need to lower the price of the capacity clearly, as they sell more than enough.
 
Last year my sister was a dancer, but she got cancer. The doctor said she still had two months more. I thought she had time, so I got in line for the new iPhone at the Apple Store...She laid there dying with my father and mother, her very last words were, "Where is my brother?".

Thank God I don't have a sister to worry about this year..

SO STOKED

Brilliant reference, thanks :)

That put all these stupid gadgets into perspective. I always thought the same thing but didn't know how properly to phrase it, nor did I have a personal anecdote like you do.

Sorry to hear :(

Don't feel too bad, it's a personal anecdote in the sense that he witnessed those words spoken on a stage in NYC :)
 
Sounds like Tim Cook has lost his knack for solid supply chain management. iMac 2012 all over again, just with Apple's bread & butter this time. Hope it's not true.
 
What are you talking about? Even though the case is largely the same (with the exception of the home button) _everything_ inside that case is completely new:

1. New A7 chip
2. New M7 chip
3. New Camera
4. New Flash
5. New Fingerprint Sensor

"Minor Variant" my ass.

I swear that most of the posters on this forum surely must be plants by Samsung and Microsoft....

Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.
 
Ya cause thats so much better for a Company... wait and sell no phones. Lol. I suppose when theres a sale or new product at the grocery store you also wait till you know there is sufficient supply before you get it...:rolleyes: Cause if they waited then people would complain about that too
 
That put all these stupid gadgets into perspective. I always thought the same thing but didn't know how properly to phrase it, nor did I have a personal anecdote like you do.

Sorry to hear :(

Frisco you have a good heart. You warmed mine because my initial response was to laugh at you. I thought it better to laugh with you. It's funnier if you read it like this::D

Last year my sister was a dancer, but she got cancer
The doctor said she still had two months more
I thought she had time, so I got in line
For the new iPhone at the Apple Store
She laid their dying with my father and mother
Her very last words were, “Where is my brother”

Thank God I don’t have a sister to worry about this year…

SO STOKED

But you're right. Perspective.
 
Isn't creating a false sense of demand to raise sales "basic business"?

Since there are no preorders for the 5S, how do they know it will be constrained when they have no idea how many people are going to want it on launch day? Maybe there will be lines down the block and maybe you can just walk in and get one because there aren't long lines. Who knows?

Just more typical Apple pranks.

So you can't have any idea what demand might be unless you do a pre order? Really? There's no historical data points that could be used?
 
We've all been youthfully ignorant at a point, it's kind of inherent in the human condition. However, when someone is obviously ignorant of how something works or basic facts, I don't see any issue with calling them out on it.

More and more people are buying both iPhones AND Samsung smartphones, by the way. It's a growing market. More users who have owned an Android phone convert to an iPhone for their next purchase than vice versa, however -- by a significant margin. That's a more interesting metric, I think. Or you could look at profit, which Apple still commands the majority of in the GLOBAL CELLULAR PHONE MARKET. It does come down to profit, after all -- this business of selling phones is not a charity.

Except, of course, what you said painfully glazes over Apple's declining market share. They make more profits, yes, but big deal. If the customer doesn't see value-and I see little inclination that the customer is seeing value, then Apple will too lose value eventually.

The fact is, to most people, there will be no difference between this phone and the iPhone 5. Hence, minor variation. Battery Life, same. Screen, same. Internet speeds, same in most markets. Safari feels snappier. Camera colors seem better-most people don't complain much about the cameras on the iPhone 4 still, let alone 4s/5. And Safari is snappy enough, I hope.

Yes, I appreciate the R&D costs, but it is a minor variant of a company that appears to be floundering in a directionless ship. In a market where innovation is evolutionary, margins will shrink over time-that is the investment concern for Apple. They have a choice-preserve market share, or preserve margins and hope to maintain market share. They're opting for the latter, and that is a fatal decision they made in the 80s.

Careful. That's like saying Windows 7 is better because more people use it. I think we can all agree THAT'S not true. NFC has many security issues and it's not a viable long term payment system. The reason it works in Japan is that they are so honest there, and Japanese OEMs supported it. Now that there's basically no real Japanese mobile OEM, NFC is not a national pride point anymore. They'll go with what's best...

Windows 7 is better because more people use it not true? Honestly, my software at work and home "Just works"-yeah, I use OS X, but it makes little difference, is less compatible with most things. I know it is contentious but I'd say outright Windows 7 IS better than OS X on many, many levels. I don't prefer it, but the market does. Even if the main level is price point (Apple hardware being "premium" not explicitly referring to cost comparison but Jobs's "We don't make junk" line).

NFC is here to stay, just it is a question of how many use it. I get tired of constantly needing to swipe a card or use an ATM. First world problems. Still a great technology. Safer than bluetooth and just about everything else on the market. With fingerprint enabled 128-bit encryption? Would be as secure as anything else you could imagine.
 
Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.

Im sorry... What was the name of the Cell Phone YOU designed? :rolleyes: Like the S4 is not a Variant of the S3 or the Note 3 of the Note 2 or the maxx to the razor ETC ETC... And as far as Innovation goes... Wheres your phone with a Fingerprint Reader? or a First of its kind Dual color flash. Wheres your Motion Chip? Didn't think so... But all you haters think if the new iPhone doesn't play with the twins its not innovative. Meanwhile show me something Samsung Innovated lately on there own... Bueller.... Bueller....Bueller
 
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Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.

Keep talking, and keep demonstrating that you have absolutely zero understanding of how computers work. It's OK. We won't bother wasting your time with trying to explain things like 32-bit vs. 64-bit processors, entirely new CPU instruction sets, custom motion-sensing silicon chips with multiple onboard MEMS sensors, etc. etc. Just keep thinking about it in terms of "magical fairy dust."
 

If it were not for the iPhone, I agree that the HTC One is the best looking phone out there. A co-worker says he is leaning for Same*****. When I ask him why he said that he cares more about functionality than looks. Wait, dont the both run the Hem-Andriod OS?

For me I am committed given my investment in apps and all things Apple, but if I could live with Google's intrusion into my privacy, then HTC One would be my next choice based on looks alone.
 
Why? Besides the novelty factor, what percentage of people would use their phone in wet conditions, under water or in the toilet?
If the phone could handle the wet conditions? Many. Not the ridiculous "toilet", but in rain. And of course, there's the dropping in the snow. Or sweat.
 
Of course there is a global constraint. Or are you saying there are an infinite amount of production resources in terms of component supply, factories, labor, shipping, etc.?

Not saying you're wrong about the finger sensor possibly/probably being one of the KEY areas of constraint, but there is technically constraint for every single component.

What I'm saying is that if Apple wants to ramp production up from 3 million per week to 5 million per week Foxconn can do that given a few months of notice. You can't do it overnight, but replicating production lines and training workers is exactly what Foxconn does and they can double or quadruple iPhone production in a relatively short period of time if the demand exists. There is no worldwide shortage of aluminum or glass or silicon fabs or workers that hinders smartphone production given proper forcasts.

That's what I mean when I say there is no global constraint. And I'm confident that Apple can make accurate demand forcasts. That's why I'm confident that this is a specific component issue, not an overall production constraint.

Not to mention, the stories have been out there for a while that the fingerprint sensor was tricky to produce.
 
Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.
I'm not sure you understand how supply chains work.
 
Good heavens it's all over the typical Apple sites. Now everyone will be in a frenzy. Online ordering is gonna be a disaster. Everyone jumping on at the same time. It's going to be slow and hang on half the people during the carrier eligibility check. More people will now head out to line up and those that were already planning to will now go earlier.

This is bad. :eek::eek:
 
And people want a 128gb iPhone. Not going to happen.

the reason only 10% get the 64Gb iPhone is because of price, they need to readjust standard size to 32, 64, 128... Dang apps keep getting bigger and bigger, expect many to reach 1GB-2GB now w/ 64 bit cooked into them...

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Why? Besides the novelty factor, what percentage of people would use their phone in wet conditions, under water or in the toilet?

I don't get wet in the toilet. Maybe if I use a bidet, but is just a specific part that gets wet that AFAIK no one uses for daily phone use.
 
I find it hard to believe that supply is that constrained. It is basically the same as an iPhone 5.
 
A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

No.

The A7 is almost nothing like the A6. It has _double_ the number of transistors. In case it's not clear, that means that (if they were built on the same process size) the core would literally be twice as large as an A6. Each transistor is something that can fail - doubling the number definitely presents a large manufacturing challenge.

It is 64bit - which means much faster processing in floating point applications that use double precision (like iMovie and iPhoto). It will also be faster for non-floating point applications because of the increase in the number of registers on the chip.

It also has a much revamped instruction set - which will also provide performance gains once applications are recompiled to support it.

Finally, it has a MUCH faster GPU in it as well...

What exactly could they have done to the chip to make it a a significant change for you?
 
What I'm saying is that if Apple wants to ramp production up from 3 million per week to 5 million per week Foxconn can do that given a few months of notice. You can't do it overnight, but replicating production lines and training workers is exactly what Foxconn does and they can double or quadruple iPhone production in a relatively short period of time if the demand exists. There is no worldwide shortage of aluminum or glass or silicon fabs or workers that hinders smartphone production given proper forcasts.

That's what I mean when I say there is no global constraint. And I'm confident that Apple can make accurate demand forcasts. That's why I'm confident that this is a specific component issue, not an overall production constraint.

Not to mention, the stories have been out there for a while that the fingerprint sensor was tricky to produce.

You're basing all of the above on what, exactly -- are you personally involved in electronic component and/or device production? Contract manufacturing? Because it sounds to me like you're actually talking a bunch of ******, frankly. You think Foxcon can double or quadruple production for one of their main customers with a few months notice tops? Really? Because that is not at all accurate. You do realize a chip fab costs a few billion bucks and takes a good couple of years to build out, right?
 
I find it hard to believe that supply is that constrained. It is basically the same as an iPhone 5.

I find it hard to believe that so many people who take the time to post on a Apple-enthusiast forum are this ignorant about how the devices actually work.
 
They should've just waited to launch it. I'm sure everyone would've understood.

No. No, they would not have.

iPhones are released in June or September. Period. There was no option to slip. Even if they deliver 8 phones they need to ship in September.
 
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