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The A7 is almost nothing like the A6. It has _double_ the number of transistors. In case it's not clear, that means that (if they were built on the same process size) the core would literally be twice as large as an A6. Each transistor is something that can fail - doubling the number definitely presents a large manufacturing challenge.

It is 64bit - which means much faster processing in floating point applications that use double precision (like iMovie and iPhoto). It will also be faster for non-floating point applications because of the increase in the number of registers on the chip.

It also has a much revamped instruction set - which will also provide performance gains once applications are recompiled to support it.

Finally, it has a MUCH faster GPU in it as well...

What exactly could they have done to the chip to make it a a significant change for you?

You know what -- don't bother. Some of us here are technologists, and enjoy learning how things work. It expands our minds, and if we play our cards right, can help us secure better careers for ourselves. And then there are the people who just want to argue and troll, and no amount of educating and explaining will help them, because they are not interested in learning about how things work (probably not capable).
 
Keep talking, and keep demonstrating that you have absolutely zero understanding of how computers work. It's OK. We won't bother wasting your time with trying to explain things like 32-bit vs. 64-bit processors, entirely new CPU instruction sets, custom motion-sensing silicon chips with multiple onboard MEMS sensors, etc. etc. Just keep thinking about it in terms of "magical fairy dust."

Exactly - it's laughable that people think the casing of a computer (phone) has anything to do with how hard it is to produce....
 
So you can't have any idea what demand might be unless you do a pre order? Really? There's no historical data points that could be used?

You're right. Apple knew all along, after pouring over the historical data points that there would not be enough iPhone 5S's for launch day.

I wonder why they didn't mention that during the Keynote address, since they obviously knew it then...
 
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I never mentioned micro SD-slots. expandable storage would be nice but it's pretty clear that Apple is not doing this. but they don't have to either. they can just offer a model with 128GB built-in storage.
as for pricing by other manufacturers, Apple doesn't need to follow them (they often don't btw) especially given their already high profit margins.
Others might need this pricing scheme because their base models are often very cheap. Apple's base models are not cheap and they make 40%+ profit margins even on the base models.
They can easily maintain high profit margins without charging quite so much for extra storage. I mean, why does it have to be like 80% margin for the extra storage?

Its not anything to do with price. Its demand. The proof is already there. Right now only about 10% of iPhones sold are the 64GB version. That would be even less people for the 128GB. I think thats the main reason they dont do the 128GB. 98% People don't need or want 128GB in a phones. Add to that with the influx of free online storage and cloud services. I think this is a main reason you are not seeing many new phones that even have a 64GB option... Dropbox, Box, Skydrive, Google Drive...Etc Also Add to that the new Airdrop feature with IOS7 hopefully making it easier to transfer files from laptop to phone or iPad to phone etc...
 
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NFC Is currently useless, Notice the HTC one mini Does not have an NFC(This may become a trend)

I agree but it would have been nice if Apple had included the chip, even if it lies dormant for the next year or until NFC becomes useful.

Wonder if the iPhone 6 will have NFC?
 
I agree but it would have been nice if Apple had included the chip, even if it lies dormant for the next year or until NFC becomes useful.

Wonder if the iPhone 6 will have NFC?

The only thing i used NFC for was My Nokia 360 Speaker. For audio its nice just to tap and listen.
 
I agree but it would have been nice if Apple had included the chip, even if it lies dormant for the next year or until NFC becomes useful.

Wonder if the iPhone 6 will have NFC?

No the iPhone 6 will NOT have NFC.

Bluetooth Low Engergy is the future not NFC
 
Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.

If Apple sold the same number of MacBooks as iPhones, you're damn right there'd be shortage of Haswell chips or something else needed for their production.
 
I agree but it would have been nice if Apple had included the chip, even if it lies dormant for the next year or until NFC becomes useful.

Wonder if the iPhone 6 will have NFC?

It seems likely they are going to use WiFi and BLE/iBeacons (Bluetooth Low Energy) to essentially accomplish everything and more that NFC is used for, and much more elegantly and flexibly.

Combine this with the finger sensor and a lot of very interesting things start to take shape. Apple is "skipping" NFC and going for something more advanced. NFC is old. Not exciting. It's for credit card readers in NYC cabs. iBeacons are going to be waaaay more slick. AirDrop is going to be way more slick. iOS 7 is the key to enable hardware that we've already had. Concentrating on NFC is a distraction.
 
Who knows? Usually you take the last um... IDK EVERY iphone launch so far for a little measuring stick? Considering the demand for every iphone sold yet and the number of sales figures from like the last IDK... 5 years would give them a good idea :rolleyes:

Considering, then, that EVERY iPhone launch has "shattered records" in sales and sold out in days (except for one model, if I remember), I guess your point is that the 5S should do the same? What's the point of the article then?
 
What are you talking about? Even though the case is largely the same (with the exception of the home button) _everything_ inside that case is completely new:

1. New A7 chip
2. New M7 chip
3. New Camera
4. New Flash
5. New Fingerprint Sensor

"Minor Variant" my ass.

I swear that most of the posters on this forum surely must be plants by Samsung and Microsoft....

Ouch...that must've hurt the poor guy. :D
 
Of course it is. How is it for sales saying 'we got truck loads sitting here collecting dust'??
 
No the iPhone 6 will NOT have NFC.

Bluetooth Low Engergy is the future not NFC

iBeacons FTW!

iBeacons + finger scanner + Apple deciding to use iTunes accounts as a more general payment processing system... BAM. NFC stops being all that relevant, in fact it looks kind of clunky by comparison...
 
You're right. Apple knew all along, after pouring over the historical data points that there would not be enough iPhone 5S's for launch day.

I wonder why they didn't mention that during the Keynote address, since they obviously knew it then...

They pretty much did that when they announced there'd be no pre-orders for the 5s. Why would Apple directly comment on the state of their launch supply? Common sense tells you that they'd rather not turn down customers looking to buy one of their products.
 
Just an observation:

- phone sells out: OMG, Apple are trying to create a false sense of demand!
- phone doesn't sell out: OMG, Apple really f'd up on this phone! No one wants it!!!

I have an iPhone 5 and won't be upgrading but I'm really envious of those that are getting the 5S.
 
It seems likely they are going to use WiFi and BLE/iBeacons (Bluetooth Low Energy) to essentially accomplish everything and more that NFC is used for, and much more elegantly and flexibly.

Combine this with the finger sensor and a lot of very interesting things start to take shape. Apple is "skipping" NFC and going for something more advanced. NFC is old. Not exciting. It's for credit card readers in NYC cabs. iBeacons are going to be waaaay more slick. AirDrop is going to be way more slick. iOS 7 is the key to enable hardware that we've already had. Concentrating on NFC is a distraction.

NFC was old before it even caught on... er.... wait I guess it still hasn't :D
 
I agree but it would have been nice if Apple had included the chip, even if it lies dormant for the next year or until NFC becomes useful.

Wonder if the iPhone 6 will have NFC?

NFC will not be the future, is just a stepping stone for something better and the reason why apple as not included it into their products.
 
How hard is it to make a phone that's a minor variant of the phone they were already making?

All new processor and fingerprint sensor. From what the rumors suggest the processor yields were fine but the fingerprint sensor yields were below expectations and the source of the problem...
 
Really? So it takes a year to 'retool' a device, and then make an actual supply using parts that have been around for well over the year. There wasn't a single piece of 'innovation' involved.

The case, buttons, screen, and radios are literally the EXACT same things, and the camera, flash, and A7 are all almost identical mirror images of the previous components with the only actual huge change being the motherboard to house the new motion chip. Only the fingerprint sensor is completely new.

I bet you think the Macbook Pros should be constrained as well because of an upgrade to Haswell.

Learn the meaning of 'planned obsolescence'. This is a minor variant.

LMAO, tech must go woosh over your head.
 
You're basing all of the above on what, exactly -- are you personally involved in electronic component and/or device production? Contract manufacturing? Because it sounds to me like you're actually talking a bunch of ******, frankly. You think Foxcon can double or quadruple production for one of their main customers with a few months notice tops? Really? Because that is not at all accurate. You do realize a chip fab costs a few billion bucks and takes a good couple of years to build out, right?

As it turns out I am involved with all of those things. : ) I'm an electrcal engineer and my team designs products which happen to be manufactured by Foxconn on the same campus that does iPhone production.

Doubling or Quadrupling might be hyperbole, but it sounds like what Apple is seeing is a dip in production, not a struggle to geometrically increase capacity. Chip fabs do cost billions, but there is no global shortage of capacity. They're expensive but relatively easy to scale.

I'm just saying this temporary shortage is likely due a particular bottleneck in the supply chain, not some global production constraint. Look for the things that are new and haven't been built in 10's of millions quantities before. Ramping up that type of production is a challenge.
 
the reason only 10% get the 64Gb iPhone is because of price, they need to readjust standard size to 32, 64, 128... Dang apps keep getting bigger and bigger, expect many to reach 1GB-2GB now w/ 64 bit cooked into them...

This is my thing too. With apps getting bigger and pictures and videos bigger than ever and PhotoStream storing up 1000 pictures on the device if you want to use the service, 16 GB is really starting to feel cramped, let alone the 8 GB on the free device. Given that they don't have the option to add storage in other ways, it really would be nice if they got more generous with their storage sizes, especially considering how obviously absurd the price differences are between the different sizes relative to even conservative estimates of the margins. They could still maintain great margins at half the price they're selling to customers, and likely entice more people to ante up when you end up getting a lot more for your money.

And some might say only power users are going to have issues, but I think they're the one's that know how to manage with less space. I can't tell you how many people I know who keep running out of space on their 8 GB and 16 GB devices and they can't figure out why. They don't get that certain apps are huge and pictures and videos are huge and that pictures and videos sent in messages take up space and so on and so forth.

But the bottom line to me at this point is that I know what I'm doing, I'm running a 16 GB iPhone 5 with a very paired down selection of apps, I have no music synced and clear iTunes Match and Spotify caches regularly. I constantly sync videos to iPhoto. I keep deleting apps. I delete messages with pictures/video. But with some of these apps easily hitting at close to a gig or more, not to mention the actual size available and the gig or so taken up by PhotoStream, 16 GB goes fast.

Maybe it's not time for a 128 GB iPhone at the $399 spot subsidized, but maybe it's time to roll with 16 GB free and $99, 32 GB at $199, and 64 GB at $299. If you want to be able to really use the flagship device to it's full potential without having to always worry about space, you really need to be at 32 GB minimum.
 
NFC was old before it even caught on... er.... wait I guess it still hasn't :D

Listen, I love being able to tap my wallet on the turnstyle on DC Metro, versus swiping the cheap plastic crap card at the turnstyle on NYC Subway. I enjoyed the NFC card I used in Tokyo when I visited a number of years ago. I like tapping my wallet on the credit card reader in a NYC cab. It's not bad tech. But, yeah -- it's certainly not "the future" at this point. If it catches on MUCH more in the USA over the next few years, which it actually might, I can see Apple building it in, perhaps. Maybe once ISIS rolls out -- if ever.
 
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