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Eh, I think most of the complainers are seeking novelty for its own sake. Everyone gets bored with the same old stuff after a while, but I've stuck with the iPhone and upgraded every 2 years since the 3G because it does what I need it to do well. Taking pictures, phone/txt, surfing the internet - the i5 is one of the best, or the best, at doing these things fast and good.
 
I hope apple realizes that in order to be able to compete against Samsung they will have to come up with a wider screen.
 
If they increase the GPU capabilities, they will almost certainly increase CPU capabilities. A lot. Just like they have for almost every iPhone revision.

GPU capabilities have risen far more than CPU capabilities have (20x vs. 6x). There has also been a new CPU architecture to change to the past 3 phone generations. That is no longer the case this time.
 
iPhone 5S -- The S is for Skip.

I'll hold on to my 4S until the screen actually becomes bigger. The size increase in the 5 is a joke to me. It's longer which make it look ugly and stupid to me. But that could just be me.

If the Apple/iOS eco system wasn't so embedded into my family, I'd really consider switching to an S4. But alas, I'm screwed.
 
iPhone 5S -- The S is for Skip.

I'll hold on to my 4S until the screen actually becomes bigger. The size increase in the 5 is a joke to me. It's longer which make it look ugly and stupid to me. But that could just be me.

If the Apple/iOS eco system wasn't so embedded into my family, I'd really consider switching to an S4. But alas, I'm screwed.

...and you just hit why Apple has it's user pretty much locked down. I hate the iPhone 5 screen. I want the iPhone 4S screen, but bigger.
 
I'm new to this, so one of my many new ideas that I would like to see in this iPhone 5S would be that APPLE put in the 5S is hydrographic imaging. If your reading this PLEASE RESPONSE IF YOU WOULD BUY THE 5S IF IT HAD HYDROGRAPHIC IMAGING.

1. YES
2. NO
3. MAYBE (it depends on if it works with all applications)
 
GPU capabilities have risen far more than CPU capabilities have (20x vs. 6x). There has also been a new CPU architecture to change to the past 3 phone generations. That is no longer the case this time.

So you honestly believe that apple will leave the CPU virtually unchanged in the most competitive and fastest growing sector of mobile technology? That's very naive.
 
So you honestly believe that apple will leave the CPU virtually unchanged in the most competitive and fastest growing sector of mobile technology? That's very naive.

Yes, because their competition is making very modest CPU changes. Qualcomm is changing their cache and a few other things but the logic of the core is much the same on these successive generations of Krait cores. Tegra and Exynos designs are getting huge as they're being forced to put 4 A7 cores in to match their 4 A15 cores to fully take advantage of big.LITTLE. Apple's performance profile is likely still best matched to dual core configurations like they have now. I have no doubt they'll tweak their cores, but it will still largely be the same functional blocks and relative throughput. Perhaps they'll reduce their cache latency like Qualcomm is doing with Krait. Your statement is a generic platitude that doesn't actually reflect on any of the details of the ISA and process landscape at the moment.
 
Yes, because their competition is making very modest CPU changes. Qualcomm is changing their cache and a few other things but the logic of the core is much the same on these successive generations of Krait cores. Tegra and Exynos designs are getting huge as they're being forced to put 4 A7 cores in to match their 4 A15 cores to fully take advantage of big.LITTLE. Apple's performance profile is likely still best matched to dual core configurations like they have now. I have no doubt they'll tweak their cores, but it will still largely be the same functional blocks and relative throughput. Perhaps they'll reduce their cache latency like Qualcomm is doing with Krait. Your statement is a generic platitude that doesn't actually reflect on any of the details of the ISA and process landscape at the moment.

But in sheer performance, there is definitely ground Apple can make up. Geekbench scores on the Tegra 4 put it well over double the performance of any chip to date. So what would stop apple from doing something like that?
 
But in sheer performance, there is definitely ground Apple can make up. Geekbench scores on the Tegra 4 put it well over double the performance of any chip to date. So what would stop apple from doing something like that?

Battery life, specifically performance per watt, and real-world performance-- not benchmark performance.
 
The 5s (as well as all the other "S" models) aren't for the owners of a 5! You just bought that 5, thsi will be a "minor" upgrade. We see this everywhere, but when apple does it it's a travesty!

Cars get minor spec and feature improvements every year, but only get full redesigns about every 5. Toyota doesn't expect any 2011 Camry owners to run out and buy a 2012. The 2012 is for those that maybe have a 2002 Camry and need to upgrade.


Also, as to the "vastly" better android phones out there, I really don't see it.

I have an Iphone 4s, my wife has a HTC One S. My iphone is faster than hers at browsing most websites. Hers "hangs" frequently, in fact her fruit ninja was slower and had worse graphics, and on top of that, the game doesn't even start anymore, just hangs.


I do some web-app development here at my work; I have a Nexus 7 and an Iphone 4s(mine) for testing. The Iphone 4s IS faster running my JavaScript and rendering my WebPages.

Remember the actual performance (end-user) of any device is a composite of TWO parts.

1) Raw hardware performance.
2) Software Performance.

The new Android phones have quite a bit of #1 (more than even an Iphone 5) but take a BIG hit in #2. --

Remember, Android runs (for the most part) in a virtual Machine (non-native Bytecode) while ALL IOS apps run in NATIVE bytecode. This leads to MUCH smaller overhead on IOS. Plus IOS attempts to minimize active processes (why no true multitasking)

In my experience, the Actual performance between the two is mostly a wash, despite the androids’ far superior hardware.

Where android is ahead are: Google Voice, and Google Maps. Both beat apples offerings, though apple's maps, in my opinion aren't that bad, Siri is NOWHERE as good as Google voice!

Where IOS is ahead is: Smoother overal interface, better touch interface (more accurate, can even interact with desktop WebPages easily on my Iphone without zooming)

So I think the improvements should be:

1) Refresh of UI, not a HUGE change
1a) look on YouTube for some Ideas
1b) better "multitasking" control
1c) better text editing (Android is better here) cursor movement, selecting
1d) Improved Notifications pull down (get rid of that Linen)
1e) Maybe an equivelent to OSX Dashboard for widgets

2) Improvement in Siri.
2a) Improved performance (take some ideas form google voice)
2b) add some features (tie into more services)
2c) ADD 3rd party API for apps to hook into Siri.
2d) better search results on Siri (i.e. Looking for wallmart should list them closest to furthest, show thier FULL address including city)
2d1) I should be able to "Open" the list that Siri generated in a browser
2e) Don't ask so many questions, if Siri can’t find a contact named "Starbucks” YES search for businesses named Starbucks! If you can't find what I'm looking for, Yes Search the web!


3) Improvement in Maps
3a) Keep filling in the POI data
3b) allow me to drag the map around during navigation and give me a button to "snap" it back to my location (so I can see what’s near me)
3c) Better searches (I.e. show a LIST view of my search results, again with full address and Phone Numbers)
 
i dont get this...

Apple knows the S3 and Note2 are more powerfull than the iPhone 5. And now the S4 and Note3 is coming with giant updates. And Apple still resting without any MAYOR updates. Always the same thing. People gets bored, and then only hardcore fans will buy.

Scary :-/
 
i dont get this...

Apple knows the S3 and Note2 are more powerfull than the iPhone 5. And now the S4 and Note3 is coming with giant updates. And Apple still resting without any MAYOR updates. Always the same thing. People gets bored, and then only hardcore fans will buy.

Scary :-/

I hear what your saying, but sales don't seem to suggest this is an issue
AND
$120 Billion in cash also seems to indicate this company know what they are doing better than S3, S4 Note2, Note3 company........
 
Siri is NOWHERE as good as Google voice!
Not if you want it to read out your text, whilst driving, or reply to text whilst driving, or set a reminder, or set an appointment, or play your music or...or...or... They are two different apps, if you wish to do as I described above, Google Voice is not even an option. If your talking pure voice detection, yes GV is better, much to their credit it works very well. They both search internet data. GV IMO shows a better laid out result.

1) Refresh of UI, not a HUGE change
1a) look on YouTube for some Ideas
1b) better "multitasking" control
1c) better text editing (Android is better here) cursor movement, selecting
1d) Improved Notifications pull down (get rid of that Linen)
1e) Maybe an equivelent to OSX Dashboard for widgets

2) Improvement in Siri.
2a) Improved performance (take some ideas form google voice)
2b) add some features (tie into more services)
2c) ADD 3rd party API for apps to hook into Siri.
2d) better search results on Siri (i.e. Looking for wallmart should list them closest to furthest, show thier FULL address including city)
2d1) I should be able to "Open" the list that Siri generated in a browser
2e) Don't ask so many questions, if Siri can’t find a contact named "Starbucks” YES search for businesses named Starbucks! If you can't find what I'm looking for, Yes Search the web!
Yeah, lets hope IOS 7 brings all this and more.

3b) allow me to drag the map around during navigation and give me a button to "snap" it back to my location (so I can see what’s near me)
If I understand what your saying, I reckon it already does this. Its the little arrow at 45o bottom left, turns purple when following you, turns black when you move the map around, and when i this state, tap on it and it snaps back to your location and returns to purple.
 
So I don't really care about a fingerprint scanner...but people might be missing the bigger picture here: a touch sensitive home button.

That means they can add new gestures, like touch & hold to bring up multitasking (rather than double click) and swiping on the home button to quickly switch apps.

Now that would be one thing that I would actually want on a new iPhone.

Good observation my friend
 
the 5s (as well as all the other "s" models) aren't for the owners of a 5! You just bought that 5, thsi will be a "minor" upgrade. We see this everywhere, but when apple does it it's a travesty!

Cars get minor spec and feature improvements every year, but only get full redesigns about every 5. Toyota doesn't expect any 2011 camry owners to run out and buy a 2012. The 2012 is for those that maybe have a 2002 camry and need to upgrade.


Also, as to the "vastly" better android phones out there, i really don't see it.

I have an iphone 4s, my wife has a htc one s. My iphone is faster than hers at browsing most websites. Hers "hangs" frequently, in fact her fruit ninja was slower and had worse graphics, and on top of that, the game doesn't even start anymore, just hangs.


I do some web-app development here at my work; i have a nexus 7 and an iphone 4s(mine) for testing. The iphone 4s is faster running my javascript and rendering my webpages.

Remember the actual performance (end-user) of any device is a composite of two parts.

1) raw hardware performance.
2) software performance.

The new android phones have quite a bit of #1 (more than even an iphone 5) but take a big hit in #2. --

remember, android runs (for the most part) in a virtual machine (non-native bytecode) while all ios apps run in native bytecode. This leads to much smaller overhead on ios. Plus ios attempts to minimize active processes (why no true multitasking)

in my experience, the actual performance between the two is mostly a wash, despite the androids’ far superior hardware.

Where android is ahead are: Google voice, and google maps. Both beat apples offerings, though apple's maps, in my opinion aren't that bad, siri is nowhere as good as google voice!

Where ios is ahead is: Smoother overal interface, better touch interface (more accurate, can even interact with desktop webpages easily on my iphone without zooming)

so i think the improvements should be:

1) refresh of ui, not a huge change
1a) look on youtube for some ideas
1b) better "multitasking" control
1c) better text editing (android is better here) cursor movement, selecting
1d) improved notifications pull down (get rid of that linen)
1e) maybe an equivelent to osx dashboard for widgets

2) improvement in siri.
2a) improved performance (take some ideas form google voice)
2b) add some features (tie into more services)
2c) add 3rd party api for apps to hook into siri.
2d) better search results on siri (i.e. Looking for wallmart should list them closest to furthest, show thier full address including city)
2d1) i should be able to "open" the list that siri generated in a browser
2e) don't ask so many questions, if siri can’t find a contact named "starbucks” yes search for businesses named starbucks! If you can't find what i'm looking for, yes search the web!


3) improvement in maps
3a) keep filling in the poi data
3b) allow me to drag the map around during navigation and give me a button to "snap" it back to my location (so i can see what’s near me)
3c) better searches (i.e. Show a list view of my search results, again with full address and phone numbers)

+1
 
What good is a fingerprint scanner if your fingers get chopped off? :confused:

In that situation, the finger should still be usable for some time, provided you can preserve it well enough to prevent decay.

Perhaps you could keep it in a specimen jar, preserved with Formaldehyde?
 
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