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Yah they support iOS6 on the iPhone 4, but that is the lowest model, so you can expect the lowest performance.

Just like OSX runs on previous iMacs but wont run on iMacs before 2007. Those from 2007 (like my parents) run it, but it's laggy as hell.

It isn't the "lowest model", it was top of the line once. It'd just older, doesn't mean its now the "lowest model"

My 2006 Mac Pro runs Mountain Lion just fine, thank you.
 
Fingerprint Scanner and the NSA

Isn't there anyone here that is concerned about these fingerprint scanners? Your fingerprints will now be transmitted to the NSA to who are already building a giant database of facial recognition of people from their drivers licences. Now that they will have your fingerprints, your identity will be absolutely tied to your handset and leave no room for doubt about who everyone is. This gadget is the worlds worst nightmare, and a boon for the spooks in their quest for absolute control over the population. For a bonus, Apple just patented Tech for law enforcement to disable your iPhone Camera and Radio whenever they want to. I'm sure that they can already turn it on and see you and listen to you. Good Luck!!!
 
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So I just wanted to point out that I think I have a scratch on my lens. Check out the spot in the purple area. Not sure why it's upside down either lol
 

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Isn't there anyone here that is concerned about these fingerprint scanners? Your fingerprints will now be transmitted to the NSA to who are already building a giant database of facial recognition of people from their drivers licences. Now that they will have your fingerprints, your identity will be absolutely tied to your handset and leave no room for doubt about who everyone is. This gadget is the worlds worst nightmare, and a boon for the spooks in their quest for absolute control over the population. For a bonus, Apple just patented Tech for law enforcement to disable your iPhone Camera and Radio whenever they want to. I'm sure that they can already turn it on and see you and listen to you. Good Luck!!!


Read all my comments above. I have voiced my concerns on this specific topic. On request, the NSA and FBI can confiscate all this fingerprint data from Apple for use in compiling database information. This is something you would not normally have on an agency database unless you have been booked in jail or prison in the past. This ease of collection of your name and associated fingerprints on a remote computer not owned by yourself scares me.
 
i don't see how this would be a tough sell as it's most likely an optional feature. take off your tin foil hats, your finger prints are the least of your worries.

It's not about actual risk, it's about perceived risk. Germans are rather paranoid about privacy. Look at the ridiculous blurring of buildings in Google Street View in the handful of German cities that have it. (Google stopped doing it, because of all the FUD that was spread about it.)

Over here, when people think of finger prints, they think of the police gathering personal data. Just a few days ago, there was a media uproar when an elementary school in Hamburg started using children's finger prints as payment IDs. Right or wrong, people are sensitive about these topics here, especially now.

You and I might know enough to be reasonably sure the phone won't send this data unless I explicitly enable the feature, but the average person will just see a device that has the ability to read your finger prints and regularly communicates with a company known to cooperate with the NSA. (As are Google, Microsoft, et al., but again, I'm not talking about the actual facts but about the way this will be spun by the media.)

Apple is a favorite target over here anyway (In any Chinese labor scandal, Foxconn and Pegatron are always called "Apple suppliers", even though they work for almost every big electronics company out there.), so I definitely see all the ingredients for a PR debacle.
 
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I don't know if you use a Mac or not, but I do. Apple tops out everything! Processor, battery, and the user experience. I don't get this on the iPhone, I get minimalistic battery and a minimalistic processor and user experience that is really been dumbed down. I want the iPhone to be a Mac. And buddy, specs are everything because iOS grows year after year and requires more from the battery and the processor. I don't know if you've used an iPhone 4 or an iPod Touch 3rd generation running iOS 6, but it's atrocious.

Thus the user experience you speak of turns into complete crap but hey, I'm just touting specs.

Also, I thought Apple wasn't all about numbers, but the quality of the product. (Good specs make quality products.)

Are you prepared to pay the huge premium for the phone that Apple charges for the computer. Their computers arent cheap and this phone you are asking for wouldnt be either.

Also, the iPhone 4 is 3 years old which is forever in the phone business. Apple's chip speeds are competitive now just like the iPhone 4 was when it was released. Each generation has been at least twice as fast as the previous. At this point, I would expect the iPhone 5 to be able to handle new OS updates for several years without the slowdown seen in prior generation phones. Just like 10 years ago when a computer was out of date after a year, but now a 5 year old computer works just fine.

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Read all my comments above. I have voiced my concerns on this specific topic. On request, the NSA and FBI can confiscate all this fingerprint data from Apple for use in compiling database information. This is something you would not normally have on an agency database unless you have been booked in jail or prison in the past. This ease of collection of your name and associated fingerprints on a remote computer not owned by yourself scares me.

Can they encrypt the finger prints? I thought the recently publicized NSA programs still couldnt really get into encrypted files if it was high enough security. Would apple have to un-encrypt them for the NSA if the NSA asked for it?
 
Welcome move if they finally ditch the cheapo plastic home button. It's the only part of the iPhone I don't like.
 
Fingerprint scanner? I don't want to pay for this.
12Mp camera? Not falling for that either.

Gimme LTE-A, 802.11ac, A7, better battery life, ...

Falling for it? Those are nice spec bumps, as long as the MP race isn't for nothing. However, I would love to see 802.11ac show up n all future devices now that they have put beam forming in the new AirPort Extreme.
Is there even an LTE Advanced network widely available? Apple doesn't historically add radio hardware that predates adoption.

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My phone faces down all the time. If it is going to be convex then it will not lay flush and will keep pressing the button. No a good idea.

Just make the phone a little thicker and increase the battery capacity already.

I always margined that if they ever needed more room they would just make the home button level and have it be capacitive.
 
I'm having a hard time caring about a finger print sensor and really hope it's not Apple's most touted feature for the 5S.
 
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I'm having a hard time caring about a finger print sensor and really home it's not Apple's most touted feature for the 5S.

Actually, I cannot think of any hardware feature that my actual iPhone 5 hasn't, that would make me excited (apart of better battery)
 
No one seems to be considering the possibility that the "home button" won't be a button (clicky-clicky button, I mean) but will instead be a touch-sensitive sensor that doubles as a fingerprint sensor.

The way I see it, it would only scan your fingerprint at lock screen where you would hold the button down for a few seconds until it verifies your fingerprint. Then whenever you hit the button after that, it wouldn't check it unless you're at the lock screen again.
 
These are still only rumors. The only thing guaranteed is that Apple will release a new iPhone eventually.

Strictly rumor. We have seen no confirmation. Biometric file in iOS7 beta4 may be there as a place holder. Hopefully there is some truth to all these rumors
 
I don't know if you use a Mac or not, but I do. Apple tops out everything! Processor, battery, and the user experience. I don't get this on the iPhone, I get minimalistic battery and a minimalistic processor and user experience that is really been dumbed down. I want the iPhone to be a Mac. And buddy, specs are everything because iOS grows year after year and requires more from the battery and the processor. I don't know if you've used an iPhone 4 or an iPod Touch 3rd generation running iOS 6, but it's atrocious.

Thus the user experience you speak of turns into complete crap but hey, I'm just touting specs.

Also, I thought Apple wasn't all about numbers, but the quality of the product. (Good specs make quality products.)

Well, If you are using a nearly 3 years old phone, it's your fault. Don't demand better processor if then you don't buy the newer model...
 
I'm having a hard time caring about a finger print sensor and really home it's not Apple's most touted feature for the 5S.
Perhaps it's because you're not considering how a fingerprint sensor could be used.

My #1 reason to be excited about it is mobile payments. Download the Apple Store app and go to your nearest Apple Store to check out how it might work. Now imagine if Apple convinces all the other retailers to use the same model. And they just might because 5-20% of sales at retailers are lost due to fraudulent purchases.

My #2 reason is that if the rumors are true and it can also be used as a joystick control, this sets up the iPhone to be used as a controller for the Apple TV if and when it is opened to third party apps. Games.
 
Even though it's going to need a 'live' /active finger for the access, just think of all the dumb thieves that are going to cut peoples thumbs and fingers off when they steal their iPhone now because they think they'll need their fingerprint..which won't work.

And yes, I'm being dead serious. You'll hear a story like this within 6 months of someone getting one of their fingers chopped off in the robbery with the phone.


How often do robbers today abduct people to force them into handing over their AppleID password? Or abduct them to force them to hand over the PIN code for their credit or debit card? Or just threaten them to cut off fingers to hand over the PIN code?

If a criminal is willing to cut off somebody's fingers, they can extract much more from people (by threatening to cut off fingers or cutting off one finger and threaten to cut off more) than access to their iPhones.

You are either paranoid or so impulsive and uncritical to not think through any idea of yours before uttering it.
 
Just imagine the admiring glances from boardroom members and party guests as you activate your new iPhone with your penis.

I made this exact same comment a couple of months ago. The post was removed for being offensive and I was given a warning. All for using the word penis.

"Your post was reported and the use of penis your posted was inappropriate. If you disagree then please use the contact us form as I mentioned."
 
This is one big conspiracy to collect a more accurate and encompassing fingerprint database for the FBI. Social profiling in the works here. I am not one bit excited about this feature. Give us more battery life, give us more WiFi range, but THIS??? This is just crazy. And you know they will be collecting those fingerprint scans and turning them over to the government...Apple already unlocks iPhones for the FBI on their command. BEWARE!

You sir - need more tin foil.
 
No matter how secure and private this feature really might be, over here in Germany, at least, it'd make iPhones a harder sell. Yes, I know there are other smartphones with fingerprint sensors out there, but none are as high-profile as the iPhone, and with the current NSA scandals, the media would turn it into a big scandal.

Not quite unreasonably, actually, I don't feel so comfortable about the idea, either. Although: I've been to the US in recent years, so their government already has my prints in a database somewhere anyway. It's part of the border control for foreigners.

I think right now the NSA and their partners only scan all communications (as in reading every email) but they scan yet all people's hard drives, ie, they don't cause computers to upload any locally generated or stored information, they only scan information a user sends to somewhere (which of course can include all things you are synching via the cloud, which very soon might include your keychain contents, though they are encrypted but then the government could force Apple to build a master password access into each keychain.
 
Does anyone have thoughts on how this would effect cases for the 5S? Most of the cases I know for the 5 cover the home button, which would rend the sensor useless. The case makers will enjoy that bump in sales.

But will there be challenges in forming a case that can implement the sensor? Is anyone knowledgeable enough to speak to how the plastic on a case could distort the fingerprint? Or at least the consistency of the experience? I am sure it is doable, but maybe it could effect the price or quick availability of cases upon launch.

Just thinking out loud.
 
I think we both know that ios7 isn't a "hardware feature"
So, your statement that you are perfectly happy with your iPhone 5 only strictly refers to hardware features? In regard to software you see areas that could be improved, whereas in hardware you cannot think of any?
 
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