Fair enough, but if a case is being used it would presumably stop the phone from wobbling because of a convex button.
Also, if you want to be polite, why even have your phone out of your pocket?
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iPhone 5S to Include Sapphire-Covered Convex Home Button with Fingerprint Sensor?
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Fair enough, but if a case is being used it would presumably stop the phone from wobbling because of a convex button.
Also, if you want to be polite, why even have your phone out of your pocket?
During the initial imprinting stage where the technology 'learns' the skin pattern I wonder if an alternate body part could be used?
Just imagine the admiring glances from boardroom members and party guests as you activate your new iPhone with your penis.
Just imagine the admiring glances from boardroom members and party guests as you activate your new iPhone with your penis.
I must admit that a fingerprint sensor has not been something that I have been missing or wished I had on any of my previous phones. There may be other uses as others have intimated (joystick etc) so IMHO, it will be a welcome addition.
A larger screen helps.
Helps what?
If you have normal vision, and are holding an iPhone at a typical viewing distance, you don't need to squint.
I think its going to be a smooth flat button or just slightly out of its enclosure.
something like a blackberry bold home button
something like a blackberry bold home button
Why a quad processor? Is the GUI not fast enough. iOS without a quad processor has a much faster GUI than androids with quads. I can't believe that in 2013 some people are still thinking about megahertz and cores as way to measure responsiveness. Lame
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That would make you popular
Then you're going to love the new fingerprint sensor system. Not only will it monitor your health, if your values are out of range it'll send that info to your insurance company as well, so they can raise your premiums. Everyone wins
No. The button is now concave. It's only convex if you're looking at it from inside your iPhone.
Kuo's rationale is that a convex button would leave more room UNDER it.
And he's wrong. We'd have three choices: never place your iPhone face down, buy a case, or burn battery because accidental pushes are always waking up the iPhone. So silly he obviously didn't think it through.
P.S. 1st on page 9. Nanny nanny boo boo.
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Okay, I've got my tinfoil hat on as I type this, but why would anyone want to willingly contribute his/her fingerprints to a database somewhere? Although to take it off for a moment (my hat) and contradict myself, it's not as if there isn't already enough data available willingly given on a daily basis.
I may get onboard with the idea, but only if it can be turned on/off at will. Of course all it takes is that first contact anyways. I just don't want every app I use to be able to access the data. I don't want my fingerprints ending up at crime scenes all over Europe or something. Oh, I had put my hat back on for that last part btw.
I'll go as far as fingerprint, retinal scans - hell even submitting DNA each time I want to use my phone. However, when Apple starts demanding anal probes just to gain access to my phone, I may draw the line. I don't want that thing near my mouth after that. Assuming that's the natural progression. It would be in my book.
Is sliding your thumb across 2.31" of screen that time consuming?
I may get onboard with the idea, but only if it can be turned on/off at will. Of course all it takes is that first contact anyways. I just don't want every app I use to be able to access the data. I don't want my fingerprints ending up at crime scenes all over Europe or something. Oh, I had put my hat back on for that last part btw.
I'll go as far as fingerprint, retinal scans - hell even submitting DNA each time I want to use my phone. However, when Apple starts demanding anal probes just to gain access to my phone, I may draw the line. I don't want that thing near my mouth after that. Assuming that's the natural progression. It would be in my book.
Is sliding your thumb across 2.31" of screen that time consuming?
What I find hilarious about this thread is people actually believe that Apple would be so stupid as to put a convex button so large it would actually protrude enough to cause a problem.
How quick these same individuals are to forget that Apple has highly skilled engineers
How quick these same individuals are to forget that Apple has highly skilled engineers
Then you're going to love the new fingerprint sensor system. Not only will it monitor your health, if your values are out of range it'll send that info to your insurance company as well, so they can raise your premiums. Everyone wins
as long as that means I get super cheap insurance because I do what iDoc tells me to, and others that are lazy and smoke and eat crap pay lots, i'm down.
I feel like my body is like a car with no insturment panel. Even if i know how to eat helthy, what the body needs varies greatly depending on how active you are. I hope I can have a computer help maintain my meat sack to optimum levels soon. early cancer detection would be sweet too.
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I'm with you. I don't think there is any chance it will be a convex button, or that they will drop the physical home button for a touch one. When I use android phones I hate those "buttons"
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What I find hilarious about this thread is people actually believe that Apple would be so stupid as to put a convex button so large it would actually protrude enough to cause a problem.
How quick these same individuals are to forget that Apple has highly skilled engineers
I don't really see how a convex button would work if it doesn't protrude beyond the glass. that would be a silly sharp transition from the glass to the lower part of the button.
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Interesting idea. You could go further and assign different user profiles to different users: So I can access everything on the phone, but registered 'guests' and other family members can only access a subset? Might be handy for shared iPads.
Okay, I've got my tinfoil hat on as I type this, but why would anyone want to willingly contribute his/her fingerprints to a database somewhere? Although to take it off for a moment (my hat) and contradict myself, it's not as if there isn't already enough data available willingly given on a daily basis.
I may get onboard with the idea, but only if it can be turned on/off at will. Of course all it takes is that first contact anyways. I just don't want every app I use to be able to access the data. I don't want my fingerprints ending up at crime scenes all over Europe or something. Oh, I had put my hat back on for that last part btw.
I'll go as far as fingerprint, retinal scans - hell even submitting DNA each time I want to use my phone. However, when Apple starts demanding anal probes just to gain access to my phone, I may draw the line. I don't want that thing near my mouth after that. Assuming that's the natural progression. It would be in my book.
Is sliding your thumb across 2.31" of screen that time consuming?
I'm sure it will be able to be turned off, and if rumors are true, it could be more of a biometrics reader that sees into your finger and looks at blood vessel patterns or something, so it might not even be capable of seeing the same pattern that you'd be leaving at crime scenes.
If this is the extent of your vocabulary and denial is where you live, life is going to hand you a huge surprise someday
And how would a "quad core" processor help the iOS experience? Just stick one in for the sake of it?? iOS doesn't lag at all, on the A5 chip - you need these quad core processors to run Android smoothly on large screen sizes because its very unoptimised per device. iOS runs as smoothly as you could ever really need.
I was thinking this too. I can see a flat home button but not a convex one. But I think Apple's 'brilliant' engineers will figure out a way to fit a fingerprint sensor in the home button and have it essentially look exactly the same as it does now.
I agree that it will most likely be able to be turned off. I honestly haven't looked too much into the technology that is going to be potentially used for this, so I appreciate the starting point, thanks.
The last thing Apple wants is for you to share your iPad and deny them a sale. I'm surprised osX still allows multiple user accounts.
You already have biometric passports in Germany, you need to give your fingerprint to get one. So I can't really see your point here, as we know the German government is more than happy to pass on your details.
Okay, I've got my tinfoil hat on as I type this, but why would anyone want to willingly contribute his/her fingerprints to a database somewhere? Although to take it off for a moment (my hat) and contradict myself, it's not as if there isn't already enough data available willingly given on a daily basis.
I may get onboard with the idea, but only if it can be turned on/off at will. Of course all it takes is that first contact anyways. I just don't want every app I use to be able to access the data. I don't want my fingerprints ending up at crime scenes all over Europe or something. Oh, I had put my hat back on for that last part btw.
I'll go as far as fingerprint, retinal scans - hell even submitting DNA each time I want to use my phone. However, when Apple starts demanding anal probes just to gain access to my phone, I may draw the line. I don't want that thing near my mouth after that. Assuming that's the natural progression. It would be in my book.
Is sliding your thumb across 2.31" of screen that time consuming?
Why would you necessarily have to add your fingerprint pattern to a database? It could just as well be stored locally on the device. For that matter, how can you be sure that data on any of your Internet-connected devices isn't being sent somewhere without your knowledge unless you rigorously monitor every outgoing data stream?
I agree that sliding your finger across the screen isn't time consuming. But if you have to authenticate with a password by policy, as I do, it takes a bit longer and is harder to do while you're walking. If authentication by fingerprint is reliable, it would be much easier. In any case, I can't imagine that it will be impossible to deactivate fingerprint scanning.
I also agree with your point about anal probes, though I'll point out that there is at least one case where a prisoner hid an iPhone 5 in his rectum. He was caught when it started to ring when the owner called the phone at the police station after tracking it there. I suspect that prisoner was at least happy that Apple made the iPhone 5 taller, but not wider.
As I said upthread, I find it odd that no pictures of the front of the 5S and/or the fingerprint sensor have appeared with only four weeks to go. Either Apple's doing a better job of enforcing secrecy (for this part, anyway) or it's not going to happen.
All very good points. I'm also paranoid about scratching the camera. I've got a year's worth of milky photos from my 3GS. Screen protector on the front, face down is both safe and polite.
As for the fingerprint scanner, if iOS can detect what App/website you're currently trying to log into and with a press of your finger retrieve and enter the username/password information from a local keychain it'd be fantastic. It's actually a huge boost in security as you could happily assign 20 character complex passwords that you wouldn't have to remember.
Has nothing to do with "space underneath"
What no one has mentioned is the sensor surface area itself. The home button could go from concave to flush, and that alone would allow enough space underneath.
But what about scanning? A convex home button allows for substantially more surface area for a thumb to fold over, creating a much more accurate scan of the print. Compare this to a concave button where making contact at all is less certain.
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The camera has a sapphire lens cover. Don't worry, you won't scratch it.
What no one has mentioned is the sensor surface area itself. The home button could go from concave to flush, and that alone would allow enough space underneath.
But what about scanning? A convex home button allows for substantially more surface area for a thumb to fold over, creating a much more accurate scan of the print. Compare this to a concave button where making contact at all is less certain.
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The camera has a sapphire lens cover. Don't worry, you won't scratch it.