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iPhone 5s Tops Sales Charts at Major U.S. Carriers as iPhone 5c and Galaxy S4 Battle for Second
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From the chart we can assume the S4 and 5c are close in sales numbers because they swap spots. We know the 5s outsold the 5c by 3.5x. Which means in one third the time it outsold the 4S by close to 3.5x as well.
So if the S4 sold approximately two million phones, the 5c approximately two million phones then the 5s would have sold seven million iPhones. (Not actually numbers just used to demonstrate that the 5s outsold the 4s by a huge margin based on all we know)
Still not 50% off. Apple didn't drop anything. They already got paid for the iPone. So... The bottom line is it does nothing to the bottom line of Apple. Walmart takes a loss just to get you in the store. That don't mean iPhone doesn't sell well at walmart.
Then I'll have me a very Merry Christmas, and happier than Happy New Year!
Signed: A proud AAPL investor
So this essentially means that Apple came out with a model with last year's specs and a flagship version and still manages to beat the latest Galaxy with their cheaper version? is this it? Buhahaha. How pathetic Samsung, just pathetic.
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Just to add a dose of reality to the conversation and not dealing with any particular model but only Smartphone operating system the latest figures for Europe are Android 70 percent, IOS 16 percent and Microsoft 10 percent.
The microsoft numbers have been growing recently mainly due to Sales of Nokia new phones.
The microsoft numbers have been growing recently mainly due to Sales of Nokia new phones.
mmm... interesting. lemme see what the paid trolls say in this thread
those are the real entertaining bits
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u cant go that high "up" on legal stuff
those are the real entertaining bits
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Excellent points! Now what are you smoking? Is it legal stuff?
u cant go that high "up" on legal stuff
Can't believe people are still claiming it is a gimmick. For those of us who care about security it is an unbelievable upgrade.
And iPhone 5S and 5C head into the holiday quarter as the newest, hottest phones on the market. Samsung will be forced to shill their half-year old S4. Because they have moved Galaxy S launches as far away from iPhone launches as possible. For maximum marketing effect. And that means their phones are old news by the holiday season.
All of which helps to explain the $12.7 billion Samsung spends on marketing every year.
All of which helps to explain the $12.7 billion Samsung spends on marketing every year.
Almost every post you make draws conclusions that are not supported by evidence and the worst part is you make the statement as if your word is absolute.
Samsung is scrambling to copy Touch ID right now.
As is HTC. And probably LG too.
BlackBerry? Nope. Microkia? Nope. They're barely alive.
Still plenty of OS and infrastructure work to do to simply stay alive.
It's just a matter of time before the copycats dump out bad clones of Touch ID. Unfortunately for them, their fingerprint sensing hacks will run slowly without the 64-bit data path of the A7 and the AES encryption built into the ARMv8 instruction set. You can't copy speed. You can't talk around it. It needs to be built into your hardware and software. Sorry.
New phone's will always sell better than "older' phones. Though it seems the 5c is already being heavily discounted!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/07/tech/...heap/index.html?sr=fb100713newiphoneprice430p
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/07/tech/...heap/index.html?sr=fb100713newiphoneprice430p
I just Googled "HTC problems" and the first two headlines were these:
"HTC in disarray: staff departures, 'disastrous' First, and production problems cloud company's future"
"HTC's biggest problem is CEO Peter Chou, say insiders"
Those may be sensational headlines... but there's clearly something going on.
People aren't buying HTC phones... which is a problem because HTC makes money from selling phones. HTC isn't even a top 5 smartphone vendor anymore.
You make it sound like both HTC and Apple are doing just fine. I don't think you can talk about HTC and Apple in the same context.
Apple's problem is they can't make enough phones for people who want them.
HTC's problem is no one wants their phones at all
Those aren't exactly similar situations.
Lol, no problem. Btw, my friend arrives here today from Tripoli... to his waiting 5S! Keep waiting, it is SO worth it. =)
Because some phone companies don't care how the iPhone sells relative to Android phones. They care whether _they_ sell someone an iPhone or another phone company.
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A ten digit passcode is safer.
On the other hand, for all those people who can't be bothered with a passcode at all because typing in four digits takes too long, the fingerprint sensor is infinitely better! And that is a _huge_ majority.
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The carriers in the USA make a huge profit on the actual contract. The phone is usually less than 25% of the value of a two year contract.
Unless every manufacturer released their new hardware at the same time, sales figures are relatively meaningless, and even then, there are other factors to consider such as price point, intended demographic, and not least of all, the level of retail exposure. You see these sales figures see-sawing all the time, depending on who most recently released a new flagship model. I don't pay an inordinate amount of attention to them.
Most people are more concerned about the quality of the product, and the features they want in their next phone, and choose their handsets accordingly.
Crisis mode and upright the ship are perhaps a bit overly dramatic statements. I don't share those pessimistic assessments.
Seriously,Anyone who says "Steve would never xxxxxx"is instantly discredited in my book.Even if true,and NO ONE can claim that knowledge,it is irrelevant and not any sort of argument for or against something.
What Steve would have done has no bearing on anything.Time to live in the present and make points based on their merit rather than spewing the fiction that some dead guy agrees with you.
I assumed he was speaking for Steve the Monkey from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
Could be Wozniak... or Steve Smith, Steven Segal, Colbert... we'll never know... because he slammed the door never to return.
There may well be something going on, but you're ignoring the obvious: just 8 months ago you could Google "Apple problems" and get pretty much the exact same headlines, except replace "HTC" for "Apple" and "Peter Chou" for "Tim Cook."
Actually, people are... roughly 5 Million HTC one units were sold in the opening month, near the start of HTC's "disastrous" quarter. The sales just aren't high enough to appease investors and news cycle pundits who work themselves into a frenzy and and have this myopic view that if a company isn't making a profit every quarter, and not having "best ever" sales figures every quarter, then it's time to oust the CEO, declare bankruptcy and dissolve the company.
Gee, this song sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?
No, I'm making it sound like we need more than a single bad quarter to judge whether a company is a sinking ship or not.
Maybe not, but the coverage that HTC has been given reflects the treatment Apple was given when they had a "bad" quarter or two not too long ago. In reality, I'm not the one referring to them in the same context. The investment and tech-secotr press are doing that for me.
Apple's problem is they can't make enough phones for people who want them.
HTC's problem is no one wants their phones at all
Those aren't exactly similar situations.
Again, replace "Apple" with "Samsung" and "HTC" with "Apple" in that statement above, you'd have a statement made many times on this forum just a few months ago. And that's what makes them absolutely similar situations to me.
Now, let's be clear: I think anyone who knows me on these forums knows that I'm the LAST person to defend an Apple competitor. And yet even I feel that a non-Apple company that has a SINGLE bad quarter, the first in its entire existence, should not be getting this bad a press, nor should people insist so quickly that it's time to throw in the towel. Why? Because we've seen it before... and so far, those people have been proven wrong.
I also refuse to subscribe to the idea that there can only be a single "winner" in a market like smartphones, and everyone else is, or should be, getting ready to close up shop. People who subscribe to that have their heads stuck in the 90s, when you either used the single dominant computing platform (Microsoft Windows), or you just didn't matter at all. That's not the way the world works anymore.
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That's possible, since the sign-up price has been slashed to $45, or even $0 on Tmo. Anybody who wanted the 5C has gotten it. Most of the sales progress between now and the end if the year will dip downwards. The 5C doesn't appeal to current 5 owners (for upgrade), most kids want bigger screens, and it's just overpriced.
The 5S is selling for hundreds of dollars over the store price, whether eBay or Craigslist, worldwide, and it's been holding strong for weeks. The 5Cs are desperately looking for homes, so much so, that sellers are cutting the prices...unheard of for Apple devices.
Ever heard of basic economics, like supply and demand? That explains your dear 5C.
All I was saying is that you can't really compare Apple and HTC.
Apple has a "bad" quarter and they sell 31 million smartphones and they make 5 BILLION dollars.
HTC has a "bad" quarter and they sell 6 million smartphones and they make ZERO dollars.
That's quite a difference.
Earlier you said Apple and HTC are "far from sinking ships right now"
That may be true... but one of those companies is in MUCH better shape.
Apple is like a mega cruise ship at maximum occupancy that is going full steam ahead... while HTC is a smaller ship at half occupancy and one engine is starting to smoke.
HTC could certainly return to profitability... and I hope they do. But I just don't see how you can compare the two companies.
And you don't have to compare HTC to just Apple. What about Samsung, LG, ZTE, Huawei, Lenovo and Sony? HTC is one of a dozen companies who sell Android phones. And those aforementioned companies each outsold HTC last quarter.
In other words... people are choosing other brands of Android phones rather than HTC phones. And HTC desperately needs people to buy their phones in order to make money.
What happens when all those other companies start selling more phones... which causes HTC to sell even fewer phones? That's a tragic possibility.