OMG what a bunch of tripe.
The 5S is outselling the S4 by a ton. A TON. And that is with limited availability. A check of every color, every size, every carrier shows no availability in Denver, which has 5 Apple stores in the metro area. If you walk by any carrier store they practically come out on the street and try to sell you a Galaxy.
I think he/she is referring to the subsidized price. $50 off $100 would be 50%.
What if the 5c finishes 2013 with more sales than the S4?
Excellent points! Now what are you smoking? Is it legal stuff?![]()
For people with an existing iPhone 5, the choice is clear, 5s. The 5c would be a downgrade from a 5.
If u have a 4 or 4s, 5c is the best choice. Specially cause the 5s is not a HUGE upgrade. Same screen size and same look as last year.
Some people were hoping for more.
In my case, I upgraded to a 5s from a 5 because I am a fan, but I am disappointed and still feel it sucks to have to wait another year for (hopefully) a bigger and really better iPhone 6.
For good or bad, and although I hate it, iOS7 does refresh the iPhone and makes you feel you got something totally new.
I know a lot of 5 owners that will wait until next year. Some could care less about the finger print sensor and the camera.
I, turned my touch id off after the gimmick wore off..
Exactly! So with that logic then the iPhone 5C isn't in high demand hence the price discounts
... Some could care less about the finger print sensor and the camera.
I, turned my touch id off after the gimmick wore off..
To be fair, HTC isn't doing that bad, actually. They did lose money last quarter, their first time ever. But people keep quoting that they lost "nearly 3 billion dollars" when that figure is in Taiwan dollars. That translates to about US $101 million. Still not great, but not disastrous, either.
As for Blackberry, well, sadly there's no denying that's a sinking ship. The said thing is, it didn't have to sink if management hadn't been so arrogant. It's a cautionary tale that everyone - HTC AND Apple included - should learn from.
But Apple and HTC are far from sinking ships right now.
Apologies for last post directed at you. A friend got hold of my phone whilst I was handing in an assignment
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And here I am in South Africa expecting iPhone 5s in December or so #
Why would anyone discount a phone that is outselling everyone else?
Can't believe people are still claiming it is a gimmick. For those of us who care about security it is an unbelievable upgrade.
But that's not Apple offering it at 50% off. That's "Apple resellers offering it at 50% off the subsidized price." Which is still only 10% off of the actual price. Nobody knows for certain what the carriers pay for iPhones (well, nobody that can say publicly, anyway,) so nobody knows how much of a discount this is for them. They might still be making a profit on them, or they might be taking a slight loss. But either way, Apple still gets their money.
Agreed, the S4 is like 4+ months old and the 5S and 5C were just released. I can see the S4 beating the 5C at all carriers by christmas and possibly even beating the 5S on some carriers by that time. Apple should be in full blown crisis mode at this point. The iphone is by far their most important product and they need to react while they are still at the top to products gaining on them, if they wait until they become surpassed its a slippery slope. I don't think Cook has the instincts or attitude that Jobs did to upright the ship if it starts to go down. Also Jobs apparently had a pipeline of products in development so likely this roadmap is still part of what Jobs made, however while that may work for slower to evolve technologies like the Mac line when it comes to rapidly changing markets such as smartphones and tablets Jobs would have had the balls to cut off the roadmap and start over whereas I don't think Cook does
Do you know for a fact what Apple considers a sale? My guess is if a significant portion of what they counted as "sold" is sitting on store shelves unsold somewhere, they would not have revised their quarterly guidance.
There seems to be some desperation in your post...like you want what you originally posted to be true.
You mean jobs'
(Slams the door in your face)
Seriously,Anyone who says "Steve would never xxxxxx"is instantly discredited in my book.Even if true,and NO ONE can claim that knowledge,it is irrelevant and not any sort of argument for or against something.
What Steve would have done has no bearing on anything.Time to live in the present and make points based on their merit rather than spewing the fiction that some dead guy agrees with you.
I assumed he was speaking for Steve the Monkey from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
Not Steve Ballmer?
I just Googled "HTC problems" and the first two headlines were these:
"HTC in disarray: staff departures, 'disastrous' First, and production problems cloud company's future"
"HTC's biggest problem is CEO Peter Chou, say insiders"
Those may be sensational headlines... but there's clearly something going on.
People aren't buying HTC phones...
You make it sound like both HTC and Apple are doing just fine.
I don't think you can talk about HTC and Apple in the same context.
Apple's problem is they can't make enough phones for people who want them.
HTC's problem is no one wants their phones at all
Those aren't exactly similar situations.
What if the 5c finishes 2013 with more sales than the S4?
There may well be something going on, but you're ignoring the obvious: just 8 months ago you could Google "Apple problems" and get pretty much the exact same headlines, except replace "HTC" for "Apple" and "Peter Chou" for "Tim Cook."
Actually, people are... roughly 5 Million HTC one units were sold in the opening month, near the start of HTC's "disastrous" quarter. The sales just aren't high enough to appease investors and news cycle pundits who work themselves into a frenzy and and have this myopic view that if a company isn't making a profit every quarter, and not having "best ever" sales figures every quarter, then it's time to oust the CEO, declare bankruptcy and dissolve the company.
Gee, this song sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?
No, I'm making it sound like we need more than a single bad quarter to judge whether a company is a sinking ship or not.
Maybe not, but the coverage that HTC has been given reflects the treatment Apple was given when they had a "bad" quarter or two not too long ago. In reality, I'm not the one referring to them in the same context. The investment and tech-secotr press are doing that for me.
Again, replace "Apple" with "Samsung" and "HTC" with "Apple" in that statement above, you'd have a statement made many times on this forum just a few months ago. And that's what makes them absolutely similar situations to me.
Now, let's be clear: I think anyone who knows me on these forums knows that I'm the LAST person to defend an Apple competitor. And yet even I feel that a non-Apple company that has a SINGLE bad quarter, the first in its entire existence, should not be getting this bad a press, nor should people insist so quickly that it's time to throw in the towel. Why? Because we've seen it before... and so far, those people have been proven wrong.
I also refuse to subscribe to the idea that there can only be a single "winner" in a market like smartphones, and everyone else is, or should be, getting ready to close up shop. People who subscribe to that have their heads stuck in the 90s, when you either used the single dominant computing platform (Microsoft Windows), or you just didn't matter at all. That's not the way the world works anymore.