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iPhone 6 may feature 20 MPixel and 8GB of RAM for $750. Those who refuse upgrade their iPhone5x, will only be allowed to receive local calls. :D
 
Electronic Image Stabilization? That's definitely not as good as optical image stabilization, especially in low-light scenarios. :(
 
I know this is the wrong place to say this, but the quality of the camera on the iPhone is pretty bad. Especially when compared to Samsung (my cousin has one, so only know about that brand. But I hear others are much better too).

It is the one thing that let's my iPhone down for me.

I'll never forget what my photography professor said on the first day of class. "Great photographs are made by great photographers, not cameras." He also had it plastered on the classroom wall as a reminder us of why we were there. We saw it play out over the years as students with the fanciest most expensive equipment fell far short on results.
 
The genius with Nokia's 50 MP camera is not the megapixels, it's when it downscales it to 6 MP and provide noiseless photos. I want to see Apple doing that.
 
The genius with Nokia's 50 MP camera is not the megapixels, it's when it downscales it to 6 MP and provide noiseless photos. I want to see Apple doing that.

but then: why not just make the pixel bigger with less noise and better low-light capability, the sensor cheaper and have the same 6MP. I know: Marketing.
 
Well, the camera on the iPhone 6 will be better. So when comparing side-by-side, the camera on the 5s will look poor anyway.

Why wouldn't they upgrade the 5S, which I assume would still be sold?

Interesting name dilemma.

iPhone 6 small (5S with improvements)
iPhone 6 medium
iPhone 6 large (2015)
 
Increasing the pixel size is exactly the right thing to do! While all the marketing gurus are counting their megapixels, which lead to increasingly worse images with more noise, scaling up the pixels adds a lot to the image quality. More light, less noise.
Also read this website, which suggests that 6 megapixels are enough for most photographers and more megapixels only worsens the image: http://6mpixel.org/en/

great link!

not something i didnt know, but I always had a hard time explaining it to less tech geeky people. Will be bookmarking to forward
 
So we lose a bigger battery and optical image stabilization because some people have an obsession with razor thin metal....ffs stop making the phone thinner and start adding QoL features.


I do share your concern sir. However, if you've looked up the new oppo phone and check one of its features, you'll find it charges a battery almost twice the size of an iPhone up to 80% within approx. 20 minutes. lets wait it out :)
 
but then: why not just make the pixel bigger with less noise and better low-light capability, the sensor cheaper and have the same 6MP. I know: Marketing.

Actually downsampling from 41mp to 6 nets much cleaner images (especially if you sharpen the result intelligently) than a 6mp right off the sensor, all things equal. And if you need to "zoom" with the 41mp you can change your binning strategy and end up with a quality zoomed result vs the scale and crop method of the other.
 
I think we just had the same thought ^^
We sure did, but your math is much more substantial then me looking up the equivalents...I am just into photography...math concerning optics often gives me headaches ;)
 
There are times I want to have a smaller sized photo...I like how Apple didn't jump up in MP when many shots are not used with that in mind...and suck up more of the space on my phone.

I've printed 6MP camera photos to 30x40 poster size...and even onto truck wraps. It can be done. Now, my new camera at 16 MP can easily produce images that can print that large but what I also like is cropping. I have cropped Horizontal to Vertical and at an Easter Egg hunt I was shooting two girls and between them one was always blinking or moving so I was able to crop a couple shots into single-person portraits.
 
if they keep 8-9MP and move to 1.75um pixels this means (if my quick math is right) that they move to a 1/2.3" sensor. If they can pull this off (the last rumors said something about a 6.5mm thin iPhone) it would be extremely impressive and probably near the limits of physics

and clueless people will still complain that it doesn't have 40 megapixel like other camera.
 
I'm still bothered by the price increase, unless they start at 32 gigs for $299.

Why are you bothered by it? The price has been the same for years. The phone is getting better. The price increase isn't very significant once you spread that cost over a two year ownership. And you will likely recoup a chunk of that price increase if you resell your phone two years later.

Of course we want to spend less on phones, but really the iPhones have been great value. My Mom is still using my iPhone 4 and it works great and it looks great. It is approaching four years old! Even if I had spent another $100 on it when I purchased it, would I feel like I didn't get great value out of it? No.

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There are times I want to have a smaller sized photo...I like how Apple didn't jump up in MP when many shots are not used with that in mind...and suck up more of the space on my phone.

I've printed 6MP camera photos to 30x40 poster size...and even onto truck wraps. It can be done. Now, my new camera at 16 MP can easily produce images that can print that large but what I also like is cropping. I have cropped Horizontal to Vertical and at an Easter Egg hunt I was shooting two girls and between them one was always blinking or moving so I was able to crop a couple shots into single-person portraits.

Come on. If you are standing a few feet from two little girls, you could certainly have cropped that photo into something that you could print to 8 by 11 even if you were using a 6MP. What I'm saying is that a nice 6 MP picture can easily be cropped into 1/4 and then blown up and look nice. I've never owned anything past 8MP, but I find it hard to believe that cropping becomes a factor unless you are cropping and want to print poster size. If you just want to print normal picture size, then any good picture can be cropped significantly and a nice print can be made.
 
Not of big fan of EIS

Better than nothing, but all it does is trim the video boarder to stabilize a central area, then expand that area to fill the frame...resulting in image deterioration. I used the technique in various apps. Probably best used to eliminate small amounts of movement caused by hand shaking not larger camera movement while panning.
 
bigger pixels MEANS better low-light performance. that's why a Nikon D4 or Canon 1Dx have a huge sensor and a low MP number --> big pixels can take a lot of light.

The Apple "middle"approach with around 8MP seems perfect. HTC has rly good low-light performance with the 4MP cameras but suck in "normal" conditions and the 16MP samsung ones suck in low light

I just wish there was the option so we could have best of both. Say, two lenses (one with big sensors another with normal) as I was going to buy an HTC One the other day until I rechecked the comparisons and whilst ~80% of my shots are in low light, the outdoor ones were just unbearable. The 5S has a good balance but not good enough over my 4S to make me stump up the cash.

Now imagine a phone with the two lenses, best of both or even, epic HDR! Perhaps the HTC One M8 missed a cooler, more useful trick.
 
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So Apple may go the bigger pixel route like HTC and not the megapixel route like Samsung and Nokia. But before we write off megapixels take a look at some of these camera phone pics.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/nokia/rio/main.html

Many pixels are not bad in general (take a look at some D800 photos!), but when it comes to smartphones it all comes down to making compromises.
Nokias try on this was: take a huge (for a smartphone or even compact camera) 2/3" sensor and tiny pixels to get great resolution and if other stuff (low light performance, zooming) is needed, do it with software (downscaling, hdr, ...). It's a good approach but has a few drawbacks. Btw you could print a Nokia Lumia 1020 picture with 300dpi and it would be 60cm in length!!!

Apples approach is, to find the best mix of stunning low-light performance (HTC Ultrapixel) and the huge resolutions (Samsung - not naming Nokia here, because their approach is a bit different than Samsungs).

When you consider, that a 2/3" sensor with the usual 30mm (Apples favorite focal length is seems) eq. focal length, this would result in ~7.8mm focal length. To fit such a camera module (preferable with OIS) into a smartphone it would probably be a thick as the Nokia (around 11mm!). And yes, I do think that we don't need a 6.5mm thin device and that camera and batterylife > thinness, but only to a certain extent
 
Isn't this a downgrade from previous rumors that suggested OPTICAL image stabilization? Is apples desire for "thin" causing them to make sacrifices to the camera as well?
 
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