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iPhone 6, is it worth 150-200% the price of Android high-end phones?
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How I had 512 Mb computers without any tab reloads? How I can use Mercury with 5-6 tabs without reloads, while Safari can handle 3 ?
Import taxes. In fact, when the iPhone 4 came out, Foxconn opened a factory in Brazil to build the device locally to lower prices. There are a few iPhones out there with "Made in Brasil" instead of "Made in China".
I don't believe they are still actively manufacturing phones, and I'd say these prices confirm it.
I am just responding to the bs about android.
Have you tried scrolling in android? Why the one on iphone no matter how long or fast a swipe you made only scrolls a short distance thus requiring many more swipes than Android to scroll the same distance. And the long animations in iphone UI take up too much time. The above are the defintion of slow.
I think most everyone refers to the lag in android is those micro stutters in the UI. They are not good to look at but they also don't increase the time needed to complete something.
In terms of opening apps and multi tasking speed there is very little difference between them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVkaY-F6Zhs
btw: in the video you can clearly see the slow scrolling in iphone. Look at when he scrolled the amazon website. It took one swipe for note4 but took 3 swipes for 6+.
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I would hardly call scrolling on the iPhone slow. It's slower than it is on the Note 4 for getting to the bottom of a web page but not by a great deal and it's deliberate. If you have interest in the content of a webpage then fast scrolling to the bottom is usually unnecessary. I have much more use for the 'tap to top' feature on iOS to access the tool bar quickly. I remember discussing that with you a couple of weeks back and you told me it's just as easy to swipe a couple of times to the top of the page than a single tap. Fair enough if it's not important to you, however this fast scrolling issue is something you bring up an awful lot, and you appear to pick and choose advantages to suit your pro Android point of view.
As far as animations are concerned I think that video shows each phone is faster at certain tasks than the other. We are talking about seconds and in some cases tenths of a second. I can't help but think some of your criticisms are getting increasingly desperate. We get it, you don't think iOS is as good as Android and that's fine. There are pro's and con's for both OS's.
It's faster on the iPhone to get back to the top. So overall I'd say they are equal.
Websites in the past weren't resource intensive.
Sites today are heavily laden with JS, CSS, HTML5, Flash...etc.
I also cannot get why iphone fans also keep on nit picking and made a huge deal on the non exist android lag. This is more desperate than me bringing out an actual real scenario.
Btw: taking 3x the number of swiped to move the same distance is not trivial.
That's not true, we are speaking about a few years ago....
And that doesn't explain why mercury browser can easily handles more tabs than Safari.....
Quite. Some of these discussions get so petty it's the smallest of things that get made into major issues for arguments sake.
So instead of beating the people you disagree with, you decided to join them by fabricating an issue, good job.
It has already been explained to you why scrolling is different in iOS. It has been designed to be slower and measured, so yes it is trivial because you are claiming it is an issue when in 'fact' it is not.
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I am still confused by the thread title. If the iPhone costs around £600 for the entry level device, what 'high end' Android devices cost £300 RRP? Is high end judged on features or how premium the device is and whether it is flagship within its range or not?
Exactly. High end android phones do not cost £300. The majority of them are £550-600, which is the same as the entry level iphone!
The iPhone 6 starts at 729 here, while an high end Android device from Samsung, HTC or LG costs about 650-699. Not a big difference.
But give it a few months and the iPhone would still costs 729 (but you could find discounts at about 650) while the aforementioned droids would drop to 500 or less.
By watching this video, it is obvious to see how polished iOS is on the 6+ Only with 1gb of ram vs the Note 4 3gb of ram and still finishing only 10s behind the Note 4 in certain application even loading the game before the Note 4. I wouldn't like to see what the 6+ would do if it had 2-3gb of ram. I don't think there would be any compition at all for the iPhone if it had 2-3gb of ram, seeing that it works so well with only 1gb of ram. I think Android should be a little concerned, if Apple ever decides to go to 2gb of ram for the iPhone 6/6+ or 7 in the near future.
First time opening app speed doesn't really depend on the amount of Ram. Neither does general UI. Only multi tasking does.
I have been dying to get away from iPhones since about late 2010. I have purchased EVERY android flagship phone since then up until about March of 2014 then I finally gave up. If you like android you like it bottom line then switch to any of the flagships out there, If you don't like one flagship android thrn you most likely will not like the next since essentially it is android just re skinned but has the familiar feel.
I came to the conclusion that no matter what android phone I try I will never like it because I just don't like android, maybe it took me about 20 phones to figure that out but I did.
Last November I picked up the Nokia 1520 and absolutely loved it other than a few windows phone 8.0 quirks that were REALLY bothersome but were fixed in 8.1 months later. In the mean time I had switched back to my 5s brcaus of those reasons, then I picked up the 6 plus which I am typing this on right now. It's what I have wanted from Apple for the last four years and finally got it. But then again, it's just a bigger 5s and previous iPhones with not many changes at all, just bigger and I knew that.
Even though everything that bugged me about window phone 8.0 was fixed in 8.1 I just can bring myself to repurchase the Nokia 1520 as its more than a year old now, I am really waiting for window phone 10 to come out and I relly think that is going to be a game changer that neither android or iOS could compete with. The same exact operating system for both desktop and mobile? One app for both? Damn right I will take that! We will see how good it works, this is the way it should be!
But on the other hand, even the 6 plus is the same thing as a 5s just wih a bigger screen, stuff like passbook/apple pay are really now starting to come into there own and are going to be the next "big thing"
I came to the conclusion that no matter what android phone I try I will never like it because I just don't like android, maybe it took me about 20 phones to figure that out but I did.
Last November I picked up the Nokia 1520 and absolutely loved it other than a few windows phone 8.0 quirks that were REALLY bothersome but were fixed in 8.1 months later. In the mean time I had switched back to my 5s brcaus of those reasons, then I picked up the 6 plus which I am typing this on right now. It's what I have wanted from Apple for the last four years and finally got it. But then again, it's just a bigger 5s and previous iPhones with not many changes at all, just bigger and I knew that.
Even though everything that bugged me about window phone 8.0 was fixed in 8.1 I just can bring myself to repurchase the Nokia 1520 as its more than a year old now, I am really waiting for window phone 10 to come out and I relly think that is going to be a game changer that neither android or iOS could compete with. The same exact operating system for both desktop and mobile? One app for both? Damn right I will take that! We will see how good it works, this is the way it should be!
But on the other hand, even the 6 plus is the same thing as a 5s just wih a bigger screen, stuff like passbook/apple pay are really now starting to come into there own and are going to be the next "big thing"
Check MIB1800's history and you'll see that he basically comes here everyday to complain about iOS.
Can't say I am surprised to say the least. Trollers like this is all the reason more to choose iOS over android. People is always going hate on anything that is far more superior to what they have. I don't go on Android forums and make a fool of myself etc, I could care less about what is going on with ice cream sandwich, lollipops OS, etc. I love iOS in its entirety, it works for me and that's all what matters. Could it be better? Sure but that can be said for almost every smartphone out there. But to me iOS is one of the best operating system on a smartphone. I have no regrets with my previous iPhones 2g,3G/3GS 4S and now 6+. My IPad, MacBook Pro etc. they all work together in a beautiful way. I could go on on but enough said for now.
I quote every single word you wrote here.
I'm an Apple user since when, 1989 ? Well I couldn't be happier about that, even if I spent an huge amount of money (I think an average sum of 1500 each year for 26 years, do your math).
I really don't like to have people here just with the target to downplay Apple and start flames, as I don't do that on Android forums. But you'd better accept that, because it's quite normal on this forum. You will encounter many here.
It just took me six full swiped (too to bottom) to scroll to the bottom of this page on a 6 plus viewing the page in desktop mode. In android you can do one, maybe two, "hard pulls" and you will get there.
I'm not arguing one is "better" than the other. But there is merit to the statement that ios simply "hides" the lag better. We feel it's smoother because we're perceive it as smoother. Apple has just added pretty filler. But that is absolutely ok. My aluminum cases MacBook pro is pretty filler compared to a higher species Dell; I'll pic the pretty filler almost every time, especially when my computing demands are relatively minimal.
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I don't see any reason to be concerned over a simple ram upgrade. "Speed" was never a selling point of android except to spec junkies anyway. As much as people want to believe it (the enthusiasts) android doesn't sell based on specs. In fact, most computers and electronics don't. Consumers just take an experience and, if they like it, continue to enjoy the product. If not, they look for something new the next time around.
iPhone 6, is it worth 150-200% the price of Android high-end phones?
Well yeah scrolling is simply different as I was saying. You can scroll to the bottom of a page quicker on Android and you can get back to the top of a page quicker on iOS. The latter is more of an advantage for my use but as others have said the advantages of both her pretty much cancel each other out.
As far as pretty filler goes I think 'if' Apple are indeed hiding lag then then have done a very good job if it gives people the perception it isn't there. That is the sign of a very polished piece of software that is keen to make the user experience as pleasant as possible. I think that in itself is worth paying extra for because frustration makes people shop elsewhere.
I use PC's as design packages I use are not available on Mac. My wife is in marketing and runs a large graphics department which is all Mac and this is represented in the lions share of that industry. I have two Laptops, a Dell and one from Workstation Specialists and they are super fast. My wife has two 2014 MBP's and for general user experience I think the Mac's win hands down from what I have seen. But that is going off topic a little. I'm just saying user experience sometimes outweighs features.
This I agree with entirely. I used Android for 4 years and had one of the first Android devices and ended with the Samsung GS3, before switching to the iPhone. I admit I got bored and felt a solid user experience was desired more than a feature packed phone that I didn't feel was implemented well enough. I know an awful lot has changed with the current Android flagship devices in the past 2 years, but at present I am happy with the iPhone 6 and didn't feel the need to change from it back in September. I don't like picking a side and blindly supporting it because I like choice and that may not be with Apple in the future.
Your point is correct I think with nearly everybody who isn't a tech nerd. People choose based on experience, ease of use and reliability. They will follow this choice until it lets them down. It's very rare you hear somebody tell you they've bought a phone because it's got a quad core thingy or because it's got a superb right screen. They are fancy components but the user experience and software is key first and foremost.
Well yeah scrolling is simply different as I was saying. You can scroll to the bottom of a page quicker on Android and you can get back to the top of a page quicker on iOS. The latter is more of an advantage for my use but as others have said the advantages of both her pretty much cancel each other out.
As far as pretty filler goes I think 'if' Apple are indeed hiding lag then then have done a very good job if it gives people the perception it isn't there. That is the sign of a very polished piece of software that is keen to make the user experience as pleasant as possible. I think that in itself is worth paying extra for because frustration makes people shop elsewhere.
I use PC's as design packages I use are not available on Mac. My wife is in marketing and runs a large graphics department which is all Mac and this is represented in the lions share of that industry. I have two Laptops, a Dell and one from Workstation Specialists and they are super fast. My wife has two 2014 MBP's and for general user experience I think the Mac's win hands down from what I have seen. But that is going off topic a little. I'm just saying user experience sometimes outweighs features.
This I agree with entirely. I used Android for 4 years and had one of the first Android devices and ended with the Samsung GS3, before switching to the iPhone. I admit I got bored and felt a solid user experience was desired more than a feature packed phone that I didn't feel was implemented well enough. I know an awful lot has changed with the current Android flagship devices in the past 2 years, but at present I am happy with the iPhone 6 and didn't feel the need to change from it back in September. I don't like picking a side and blindly supporting it because I like choice and that may not be with Apple in the future.
Your point is correct I think with nearly everybody who isn't a tech nerd. People choose based on experience, ease of use and reliability. They will follow this choice until it lets them down. It's very rare you hear somebody tell you they've bought a phone because it's got a quad core thingy or because it's got a superb right screen. They are fancy components but the user experience and software is key first and foremost.
The fact that you can get things done slightly quicker (such as scrolling) where loading and rendering is required in android is rather clear evidence, to me anyway, that Apple has added transitional elements into many aspects of their UI to smooth things out ( I sm not the first to discuss this by the way, this has been discussed her and elsewhere virtually ever since android existed). That is what I am referring to as filler. It's another reason why the kag I experience on my plus is so jarring. It's not terribly frequent, buts it's something I have grown accustomed to not dealing with AT ALL on iOS.
The loading and rendering is pretty minimal though surely? I've seen plenty of side by side comparisons and the high end Android devices as just as quick for many tasks. The video posted earlier showed very little difference. Do you think the scrolling in iOS is slower because it is loading the page slower and hiding this by making you carry out more swipes? I don't get that impression. I've always felt it was to make a more controlled and pleasant action when reading the content on a page. After all when you tap to the top the page is there fully downloaded etc.
Anyway I think this is a minor feature and moving away from the topic of whether or not people think an iPhone 6 is worth 200% more than a high end Android phone. I am also waiting for someone to show me a high end Android phone for £300-350.
Exactly. Google Nexus 6 64GB - £550
Galaxy Note 4 - £599
Any top Android phone costs £500 minimum these days.