That makes sense. You just know something is there that is imperseptable. AKA....invisible.
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iPhone 6+ Lag
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That makes sense. You just know something is there that is imperseptable. AKA....invisible.
We have a super human on Macrumors now.
Enjoy that 6+ studder and lag.
My post is ignorant but you're the one that doesn't know what RAM is used for. That's fresh. How about when tabs have to refresh. Please let me know how 250mb/s NAND is an edequate substitute.
I agree, it's always been that way in the past. Why is optimization necessary for a phone that supposedly has performance overhead?
DiggityBiggity
macrumors 6502
Hallllp!
::I'm typing this on my 4S, please pardon any spelling or auto correct errors::
I've now spent three separate outings (two at the Apple store, one at Best Buy) with hands on experience with both phones. Total combined time, probably two hours.
On my first visit (Opening weekend of sales) I was convinced the 6 was for me. Perfect fit for my hand, great upgrade from the 4S and super fast. After reading more on the two phones however, I was REALLY excited about the larger battery the PLUS had. Being 6'5", the larger phone wasn't/isn't unwieldy to handle and extra screen real estate is obviously a plus. (pun intended)
So, what to do? Go to Best Buy and test them out again. At this point I was still going for fit, nothing to do with speed, that wasn't on my radar just yet. Both phones (at a glance) were incredibly responsive and snappy.
Later that night (this was last Monday) I ordered my PLUS, excited and confident. But, like any good nerd... errrr consumer, I continued reading. I had a nagging suspicion that the 6 (pushing fewer pixels with the same processor) had to be faster.
Article after article, benchmark tests, YouTube videos and comment sections... The hunt for info was on. This forum is/was the best place to post my findings and ask a question to those who may be more technically knowledgeable than I.
Went back to the Apple store today and did as meticulous and unbiased "tests" as I could. What did I find? The iPhone 6 IS faster than the PLUS, but we're talking mili-seconds. Frame rate discrepancies seem undetectable to the naked eye and the only time I could get it to "stutter" was coming OUT of spotlight back to the home screen. Furthermore! I only noticed the stutter because I was doing it directly next to the 6 while doing a simultaneous manipulation multiple times.
Here's the question, in iOS 8 unless you're being very picky, this isn't a deal breaker. Both phones are incredibly snappy and unless you're holding them side by side, you would never notice a difference. Question is, will further iOS updates begin to increase lag, latency and stutter on the PLUS or decrease it?
I use phones for as long as possible, hence why I'm still on a 4S.
Is the 6 PLUS a dud that is underpowered for the long haul or will it stay neck and neck with its smaller sibling?
Does FPS in opengl no longer matter with the introduction of Metal API?
Are current benchmark tests unable to accurately rate the new processor/GPU?
Does the FPS only matter when playing graphic intense games or will this eventually effect overall performance of the phone?
I this something software will fix, or is it another ipad 3 scenario?
My current "fears" are having me second guess ordering the plus and I would love to hear opinions from all of you.
Thanks!!!!
::I'm typing this on my 4S, please pardon any spelling or auto correct errors::
I've now spent three separate outings (two at the Apple store, one at Best Buy) with hands on experience with both phones. Total combined time, probably two hours.
On my first visit (Opening weekend of sales) I was convinced the 6 was for me. Perfect fit for my hand, great upgrade from the 4S and super fast. After reading more on the two phones however, I was REALLY excited about the larger battery the PLUS had. Being 6'5", the larger phone wasn't/isn't unwieldy to handle and extra screen real estate is obviously a plus. (pun intended)
So, what to do? Go to Best Buy and test them out again. At this point I was still going for fit, nothing to do with speed, that wasn't on my radar just yet. Both phones (at a glance) were incredibly responsive and snappy.
Later that night (this was last Monday) I ordered my PLUS, excited and confident. But, like any good nerd... errrr consumer, I continued reading. I had a nagging suspicion that the 6 (pushing fewer pixels with the same processor) had to be faster.
Article after article, benchmark tests, YouTube videos and comment sections... The hunt for info was on. This forum is/was the best place to post my findings and ask a question to those who may be more technically knowledgeable than I.
Went back to the Apple store today and did as meticulous and unbiased "tests" as I could. What did I find? The iPhone 6 IS faster than the PLUS, but we're talking mili-seconds. Frame rate discrepancies seem undetectable to the naked eye and the only time I could get it to "stutter" was coming OUT of spotlight back to the home screen. Furthermore! I only noticed the stutter because I was doing it directly next to the 6 while doing a simultaneous manipulation multiple times.
Here's the question, in iOS 8 unless you're being very picky, this isn't a deal breaker. Both phones are incredibly snappy and unless you're holding them side by side, you would never notice a difference. Question is, will further iOS updates begin to increase lag, latency and stutter on the PLUS or decrease it?
I use phones for as long as possible, hence why I'm still on a 4S.
Is the 6 PLUS a dud that is underpowered for the long haul or will it stay neck and neck with its smaller sibling?
Does FPS in opengl no longer matter with the introduction of Metal API?
Are current benchmark tests unable to accurately rate the new processor/GPU?
Does the FPS only matter when playing graphic intense games or will this eventually effect overall performance of the phone?
I this something software will fix, or is it another ipad 3 scenario?
My current "fears" are having me second guess ordering the plus and I would love to hear opinions from all of you.
Thanks!!!!
Seriously? I really hate to be rude, but you have no clue what you're talking about and should probably cease commenting until you read some technical documents about the way that iOS (and OS X) handle virtual memory. Actually, it sounds like you don't even understand what virtual memory is at all.
Read: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/ManagingMemory/Articles/AboutMemory.html
In short, it's not strictly necessary to have RAM in excess of what active processes need to function at the maximum stress point. More RAM obviously prevents the OS from having to be as aggressive in shuffling apps out of RAM, but they get pulled from the NAND back to main memory so quickly that often it isn't clear to the end user that the app wasn't already in RAM.
The issue with Safari seems to stem from the fact that iOS, unlike OS X, doesn't support a backing store. If it did, presumably old tabs could simply be read off of the NAND and placed back in RAM rather than completely reloaded.
Very good ideas and questions. If we could get some info on this would be great.
I experienced the rotation issue on my 5s after moving to iOS 8. It has to be a software bug.
irnchriz
macrumors 65816
I assume by 'lag' you mean frame rate? I get frame rate issues on Zen garden on the 6, 6 Plus 5S iPad mini retina and iPad air. In exactly the same spots when transitioning between areas.
Playing some, but not all web videos on the 6 plus judders when switching to landscape as it rescales the video, other than this I have not experienced any other 'lags'.
Those that experienced some form of lag, may I check what are the storage sizes?
Heard that the 16GB models lag badly.
Heard that the 16GB models lag badly.
anthonymoody
macrumors 68040
Glad it wasn't a stupid idea 🙂
If I were more ambitious I'd figure out a way to split a poll by memory size to see.
aliensporebomb
macrumors 68000
Lag?
I'm not noticing any lag but things like facebook blanks the screen and makes it go dark before it pops the user interface up.
I don't think that's a phone problem, I think it's an app problem.
I'm not noticing any lag but things like facebook blanks the screen and makes it go dark before it pops the user interface up.
I don't think that's a phone problem, I think it's an app problem.
"strictly necessary" and "adequate replacement" are terms you seem to be using interchangeably. I don't know if you really think they're the same, or if it's a feeble attempt to try to prove your point. The end result is the same, ignorance on your part, if they were as interchangeable as you're trying to imply they are, Apple would save a few more cents and reduce the memory still. We both know they're not the same, except one of us is being stupid about it. Not to mention if NAND sees as many read/write cycles as RAM does it would be virtually useless in a very short period of time. Seriously, the only thing you've proven here is that NAND is an adequate storage media, not an adequate replacement to RAM.
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I suppose it's dropped frames, but still gives a laggy effect.
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128gb here.
Hmmm, 128GB...
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I hope this lag issue will be fixed in iOS 8.1..
Just a hunch that the OS isn't still properly optimized for both the 6 and 6+, especially the +
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Me. Remember how crappy iOS 7.01 was? Until 7.1 came out, it was dead smooth
DiggityBiggity
macrumors 6502
Has anyone seen this video yet? It's Geekbench 3 and 3DMark tests side by side with the 6 and PLUS
Interesting video to say the least... and even making me MORE confused as to which direction to go...
Does ANYONE have technical knowledge as to whether this is an iPad 3 all over again, or if this GPU can handle the extra pixel pushing?! I REALLY want the larger battery and screen but am SO nervous I'm shooting myself in the foot...
Interesting video to say the least... and even making me MORE confused as to which direction to go...
Does ANYONE have technical knowledge as to whether this is an iPad 3 all over again, or if this GPU can handle the extra pixel pushing?! I REALLY want the larger battery and screen but am SO nervous I'm shooting myself in the foot...
All this talk about the bigger battery and OIS. IT NEEDS BOTH lol.
They aren't features as much as they are necessities because of the awkward behemoth they inhabit. The battery to help compensate for the extra million or so pixels being pushed on top of the gargantuan backlight, and the OIS because it's like trying to take a picture with an iPad (well, not as awkward, but if you've seen someone doing it with a + it's pretty hard to argue it doesn't look odd).
In real life, the battery did seem better to my brother. How much? An hour, maybe an hour and half based on the info in Settings. So if that's a deal breaker for ya, go for it. I get a full day from my 6, no problems, streaming video to and from work in the car, and heavy use (playing games in court mostly... lol) in between.
I suppose if I was stranded on a desert island the extra hour might matter to me, but since I'm not, and since the 6 lasts a full day anyway, it's really a non-issue for me, YMMV.
That's not even taking into account the lag. I'm sorry but that and the fact that I wanted a phone and not a phablet were the deal breakers for me. I really thought I'd at least be giving it a chance down the road (you can see my previous posts from before the launch when we didn't know we'd be getting both at the same time) but the 6 is pretty damn perfect so coupled with the +'s issues I no longer feel the need.
If it had a faster proc, or a sapphire screen, or something tangible that made it better besides the screen size maybe. Instead it's just a laundry list of little things that actually make it worse, and that made it an easy decision to just wait for the 6+S instead.
Hopefully they'll eliminate the downscaling. It IS a problem, no matter how small we want to make it (and this is on a forum where people literally return phones over "scuffs" that only they see or screens being too much of one tint or another... so I fail to see how ANY hardware problem, no matter how small it's perceived to be is "ok").
I didn't read your whole post, but I am sure it was like the previous ones, completely in favor of the iPhone 6. That being said, the lag is not near as bad as you describe it, and there is a high likelihood that it will be fixed by software update. I am both phones, in the difference between them are small and far between.that being said, the ois is not for the size. Read andantech article, it's rarely used and only in low light. Sometimes, ones assumptions are proven incorrect.
DiggityBiggity
macrumors 6502
WOW!!! A useful reply that REALLY helps my decision... leaning more and more towards the 6 now than ever.
Thank you for the wonderful reply! 😀
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JoJoCal19
macrumors 65816
WOW!!! A useful reply that REALLY helps my decision... leaning more and more towards the 6 now than ever.
Thank you for the wonderful reply! 😀
I really wouldn't count on an obviously biased post to make your decision. Go to the store, get a good bit of hands on with both. Make your decision.
DiggityBiggity
macrumors 6502
I did go to the store and had my hands on experience!!! This is my concern, please help if you can.
Personally, in the store, I found little to no considerable difference between the two phones. It took an incredibly discerning eye to notice. HOWEVER, as these phones age (I keep phones for 3+ years) are the extra pixels going to take their toll on this device?!
Last thing I want is an iPad 3 fiasco. I can't afford (technically I can, I just prefer not to) to upgrade in two years, I prefer to wait 3 phone cycles.
Opinions welcome. I still have the PLUS on order... so that's what coming once Verizon gets them back in stock unless I change it.
Thanks!!!
Sounds like the 6 is a safe bet for you. Most of the answers as to whether the 6 plus's lag issues will be fixed are speculative.
I have the six plus and plan on keeping the phone. I would really be disappointed if if they don't fix the lag, screen rotation, and app stuttering issues I experience daily. Do these issues bother me now? No, because I am too elated with the positives about the phone to care. I can read articles without eyestrain; movies our vibrant and crisp; and as a heavy user, the battery is very impressive compared to the iPhone 5 I gave up -even after the battery replacement.
So this gives apple time with many of us to correct the issues, if they are truly software related. However, the shininess will wear off, and what is a tolerable nuisance will wear on existing users after a few months if not fixed. Of course it will be fixed in time for iPhone 7😉
DiggityBiggity
macrumors 6502
Safe bet, sure... But I'm highly disapointed I even have to make this decision. Why couldn't they make it easy?!
Yes, all of the above. I'm also CONSTANTLY on my device. I read a LOT of news on the thing. You know what I DON'T do a lot of, even though I wish I did more, was GAME. That's where my concern comes in. It's clear the FPS are much much lower on the PLUS, can software and METAL API fix this? It's really sad that all we can do is speculate.
Yes, the shine will eventually fade... and in two years (when this contract renewal is up) I could simply upgrade to the 7 (or whatever they call it...) In the end, that may be the determining factor. Can (will) this phone become "obsolete " in two years, or will my lack of intense gaming not even make me see the difference in this phone?
No doubt, I'll be getting this new iteration of iPhone... but I'm terribly stuck over which model is the right model. If I could be guaranteed this is a SOFTWARE issue rather than a HARDWARE issue, I'd be SOLD on the PLUS. NO questions asked.
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Can someone explain to me why THIS directly from GFXBENCH.COM is completely different than what I'm seeing on ANANDTECH HERE?
From GFXBENCH.COM it seems as if they 6 Plus can handle all of this JUST FINE and beats the 6 in all tests... WHAT GIVES?!
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