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iPhone 6 May See Only Modest Battery Capacity Boost as Apple Pursues Ultra-Slim Designs

snappyfool said:
Just like Haswell focussed on battery life rather than performance, I hope the A8 does the same.

I have a silly feeling, from the way Apple showed the exponential graph showing performance double each time when the A7 was announced, they will change focus now that the exponential nature of that improvement seems overkill. It's been 2x faster for at least a couple of generations now... Maybe it'll be more like 1.33 or 1.5x faster but 2x more efficient?
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Anyone who has actually use their phone to the point where they are unhappy with the battery will tell you that the processor has almost nothing to do with power usage. It is the cellular modem that uses the most battery power. If you turn off 3G, your battery lasts forever. That's why incremental improvements to the processor are of no consequence to those of us who want more battery life.

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scupking said:
I'm averaging 2 days and 9 hours on my moto droid maxx. If I can't get that with the new iphone I guess I will continue staying with android. Only reason I have not gone to an iPhone is screen size and battery life.
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And the Razr maxX is the only android phone that actually temps me. If I didn't have seven years worth of apps and built in knowledge, I would be there in a heartbeat.
 
Mousse said:
Make me a special Fat iPhone that's 1 inch thick with a 1000% increase in battery life. I find skinny phones more difficult to hold than fat phones. Give me the 2 week standby, 24 hours talk time of dumb phones of old.
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Make your own special fat iPhone by putting your skinny iPhone in a battery case. Your problem is solved, and you don't have to ruin it for those who like the skinny phone.

In fact, if you really want an inch-thick phone, you could super glue your phone to a Mophie Juice Pack or other extended battery. Or use a 3D printer to make a special case that holds both.
 
cameronjpu said:
Anyone who has actually use their phone to the point where they are unhappy with the battery will tell you that the processor has almost nothing to do with power usage. It is the cellular modem that uses the most battery power. If you turn off 3G, your battery lasts forever. That's why incremental improvements to the processor are of no consequence to those of us who want more battery life.

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And the Razr maxX is the only android phone that actually temps me. If I didn't have seven years worth of apps and built in knowledge, I would be there in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, this is very true. If you look back to the first smart phones with LTE their battery life is awful compared to today's models. My Samsung Galaxy S2 LTE Skyrocket would eat its battery when using the LTE networking requiring me to charge by noon. My HTC ONE and my wife's iPhone 5 on LTE can get through a whole day just fine.
 
Jsameds said:
Good point, never thought of the increased charge times. Apple is all about efficiency, which is why their products outperform other devices with higher spec. Tight integration and efficient exchange.

People on here seem to be under the impression that battery life won't increase, but I can practically guarantee it will, as it has with each iteration of iPhone.
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You probably never thought of that because it is a complete fallacy. Bigger battery does not equal increased charge times. mikeray's comment is FUD.
 
The iphone 6 better have all day battery life. There are other smartphones out there who outperform the iphone 5S.

Battery Life is my number 1 issue with the iphone so far...

I just want to get through one day of heavy usage at least.
 
yokied said:
I find this absolutely infuriating and I know I'm not the only one. How can this company continue to ignore what its customers ask for? Bigger screens and MUCH better battery life.

There is no real difference in the average person's hand between a device that's 7mm thick and one that's 12mm thick.
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Apple can ignore what customers ask for because customers continue to buy iPhones.

I no longer step into Apple store to browse because they catch you at the door and hassle you to buy an iPhone. I don't want iPhone. Period.

Saturday I was meeting friends at a restaurant two doors from Apple. Under different circumstances I would go to Apple and look around. usually came out with some purchase. Now I avoid the Apple store.

The constant hard selling of a product the customer does not want is a turnoff. Apple does not care. If you don't buy iPhone Apple does nto want you as a customer.
 
dec. said:
So what exactly does your "pathetic" refer to? The weather? Homegrown tomatoes? What exactly is the consequence of using a "2500 mah battery in a 5.5 device" that you call it "pathetic"?
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The battery size, 2500mah is pathetic for a phone size the result of a 5.5" screen compared to the competition.
Weather you think the battery life will be good or not, doesn't matter, facts are facts and a bigger battery means longer battery life no matter the efficiency of the components.
 
SusanK said:
Apple can ignore what customers ask for because customers continue to buy iPhones.

I no longer step into Apple store to browse because they catch you at the door and hassle you to buy an iPhone. I don't want iPhone. Period.

Saturday I was meeting friends at a restaurant two doors from Apple. Under different circumstances I would go to Apple and look around. usually came out with some purchase. Now I avoid the Apple store.

The constant hard selling of a product the customer does not want is a turnoff. Apple does not care. If you don't buy iPhone Apple does nto want you as a customer.
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I have been to countless Apple stores all over US and Canada, and I have never encountered any employees pressuring me to buy anything. Beyond a normal greeting of "Do you need any help?" (which is what I count as a positive experience,) I have never witnessed any high pressure tactics. I'm quite sure they have standard protocol that every genius and employee must follow. I call BS on your "story."

The very fact that you can buy something at an Apple Store with zero interaction with an employee (via the app) makes your "high pressure sales tactic theory" even more ridiculous.
 
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dumastudetto said:
Nobody wants thicker iPhones for a few minutes extra battery life. What people do want though is an extremely efficient operating system that prolongs battery life. And this is something only Apple can do because they control the entire hardware and software experience.
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Nobody wants thicker iPhones for a few extra minutes of battery. But adding 2 mm thickness of the phone would probably add at least six hours of battery life. I want.

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dumastudetto said:
Nobody wants thicker iPhones for a few minutes extra battery life. What people do want though is an extremely efficient operating system that prolongs battery life. And this is something only Apple can do because they control the entire hardware and software experience.
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And to follow up on my above response, nice strawman argument. Do you find many people are convinced to throw out an obvious strawman?
 
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twigman08 said:
Apple is going to disappoint some people if they have to admit they made the device "thicker" and they will disappoint some people if they make it thinner without improving the battery life significantly
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But there is a win:win.

Nobody is arguing for making an iPhone thicker. The choice is "as thin as possible" vs. the same thinness of the iPhone 5s or something in between. If Apple needs the "thinner" bullet for the marketing launch, shave 1mm off. Then, they can launch a "thinner" iPhone 6 that has quite a bit of free space inside for much more battery (because it's taller and wider).

People keep seeming to interpret (or spin) the argument as if those wanting more battery are saying they want Apple to make a thicker phone. I don't see hardly anyone saying that. What they are saying is don't use this golden opportunity to make the 6 as thin as possible when it could stay the same as 5s or be a little thinner and jack up battery life- the best of both worlds.

The 6 can be "thinner" AND have much more battery. However, if it's "thinnest" (possible), there's no deciding to thicken it in the next generation(s) to then install a bigger battery. It's take a big jump now or there is no big jump coming. Advancing A chips and optimizing iOS can only do so much on their own. Both plus a bigger battery (in a 5s thin or slightly thinner package) would really wow us all with a nearly universal benefit for all users (that doesn't cost extra by being an add-on in a separate accessory).
 
EricTheHalfBee said:
What a stupid comment. They only need enough charge to turn on and function when you board the plane, so that you can show it's an actual functioning device and not a hollowed out shell filled with explosives.

NOWHERE is it stated you need enough charge to last the entire flight.
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What a stupid comment response towards his comment. NOWHERE did he state that you need "enough charge" to last the entire flight. He simply stated that your phone needs to have a charge to be allowed on the flight.

Which is the same thing as saying the phone can't be dead, just in case there was any confusion.
 
SusanK said:
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I no longer step into Apple store to browse because they catch you at the door and hassle you to buy an iPhone. I don't want iPhone. Period.

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Really? Weird. I’ve been in Apple stores in my area (north of me in Jacksonville, a dozen so times), in the Pittsburgh area (the South Hills location at least 5-6 times), the Georgetown location in DC, and multiple stores in NYC and I’ve never once been hassled, or had anything that approaches a heavy handed sell.

It’s usually as simple as “How can we help”, and I either tell them I’m just looking, or in the case of service or purchase, just let them know and they connect me with the proper staff member.
 
Personally I don't usually use my phone that intensely so I'd be ok with a modest bump in battery life. However I do sympathize with heavier users. I think battery life deserves to be improved a bit more than just modestly..
 
SusanK said:
Apple can ignore what customers ask for because customers continue to buy iPhones.

I no longer step into Apple store to browse because they catch you at the door and hassle you to buy an iPhone. I don't want iPhone. Period.

Saturday I was meeting friends at a restaurant two doors from Apple. Under different circumstances I would go to Apple and look around. usually came out with some purchase. Now I avoid the Apple store.

The constant hard selling of a product the customer does not want is a turnoff. Apple does not care. If you don't buy iPhone Apple does nto want you as a customer.
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Every time I visit the Apple store I'm asked, "May I help you with anything?". I say no, and move on. I have never been "hassled" into buying an iPhone nor anything Apple.
 
And, by the way, my phone just alerted me that I have 20% battery remaining. This phone is an iPhone 5s, it came off the charger this morning at 8:30 AM, so it has been 5 3/4 hours. I have made maybe 10 minutes of phone calls, and been reading and replying on this forum thread for maybe an hour.

I navigated with GPS for a 15 minute drive, and I sent probably 10 emails. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't consider that an acceptable level of output for 80% of the phone's battery.
 
It is funny there are so many posts in this thread about the current iPhone having bad battery life, but in the other thread about Samsung's wall huggers ad there are so many posts about how good the iPhone battery is.
 
bpcookson said:
Hi. I'm just going to keep on posting this link as it continues to be extremely relevant:
AnandTech iPhone 5s Review

The 5s does pretty darn well here. This is mostly against phones released afterwards, all of which have much larger batteries to boot.
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Please stop posting this. It's old. AnandTech did a more recent review of the GS5. Against it's (iP5) current competition it doesn't do pretty darn well.

Web browsing
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62585.png

Charge time
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62487.png
 
The new iPhone 6 will be like all other previous iPhones released, it will have a new processor and a smaller battery, Apple will tell us that the processor is now so efficient that it will allow the battery to run 1 hour longer than previous iPhones.

All this equates to bigger screen iPhone and same battery times probably about 5-6 hrs of use that is also with all the cool functions turned off to conserve battery. It's the way it's always been. The battery will remain small and will barely get you through a full day of use.
 
Surely if the phone is taller and wider anyway it can be thinner? Presumably other components won't suddenly take up loads more space so free room for new stuff.
 
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