Since I'm closing in on being twice as old as Soni, tell me oh ancient one how old I have to be to not care about these things anymore?
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iPhone 6 Plus Might Be Limited to 1 GB of RAM
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Since I'm closing in on being twice as old as Soni, tell me oh ancient one how old I have to be to not care about these things anymore?
First of all, I have a Nexus 7 2013 with 2GB of RAM, on KitKat, and I had a Galaxy S4 , with KitKat, tweaked, alot of applications disabled, and they BOTH still had app reloading problems also, as a matter of fact the apps reload noticeably quicker on iOS then on the Android devices I have, apps still refresh quite often on 2gb of RAM on Android, so cry all you want, 2GB would of been really nice, but it's not so serious.
Also, sometimes the page does reload on Safari for me on my 5S that I have, but the times it did reload and I was typing something, it actually came back what I had typed, and the page reloads quite quickly on a A7, if a app refreshes on my 5S, it literally comes back to use within a second and a half or two, its really, really, not that serious.
obviously would of been nice though, but Android is the least optimized OS out of all 3 (windows phone, iOS, Android)
Also, sometimes the page does reload on Safari for me on my 5S that I have, but the times it did reload and I was typing something, it actually came back what I had typed, and the page reloads quite quickly on a A7, if a app refreshes on my 5S, it literally comes back to use within a second and a half or two, its really, really, not that serious.
obviously would of been nice though, but Android is the least optimized OS out of all 3 (windows phone, iOS, Android)
We're just tired of arguing. People will believe what they want to believe. I've seen Safari in iOS 8 GM require a refresh with as little as 3 tabs open with only a few Apple apps "open". I doubt anyone would believe me.
If I were to tell people how fast the multitasking app switching was in early iOS 8 betas and the current speed on my 5S using iOS 8 GM is significantly slower people would call me a liar. I remember the switching animation was faster and I could tap on the next app before the animation ended and iOS would recognize the tap. It made the OS so much better to use. People here will tell me it's not a big deal. Yes, it is a big deal. It's the little things that end up bugging the hell out of me.
Right? That $4 wholesale per device with their buying power would have just tanked them.
I love the article saying it would "hurt performance."
Come on... no, less ram hurts performance. Battery life is hardly the same thing, and I think most people will give up a the tiny bit of battery life this would actually eat into. You know, because when a program stalls and isnt usable it's not killing your battery or anything as it tries to get memory and load...
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Yeah, but IOS isn't really multitasking anything. Your comparison is not valid. On Android, your apps can really still be running in real time behind another running app, and depending on what those apps are can make a difference.
IOS doesn't even allow this!
My G2 lets me run two apps side by side, and I've had no performance hits. If there is one gripe about it, it's that you can disable select apps from running in the background (I'm talking to you Farm Heros saga that drains my battery if I forget to force you closed).
Android is however, very optimized these days. It's devices enabling multitasking this way, like the G2, that break it because of their in house side by side features that are not stock android.
Your Nexus 7 I can't speak to, but doesn't sound like the performance other people have had.
I will give Apple props though because it is the most optimized... and to do this, they also inhibit developers from deploying features in apps and the devices owners from having a great and many options. So it's a preferences game.
There are certain API's that allow good multi tasking on iOS, virtually almost the same as Android apps, there are alot of apps on iOS that can run in the background real time and in iOS 8, which comes out tommorow, will be even more powerful apps that come with iOS 8, (iOS extensions, 4000 new API's, etc)
Dual apps on a screen is pretty cool I guess, quite cumbersome and counter productive though, only is good on devices with LARGE screens (5+inches)
and many have actually reported the same things as I have said, 2GB of RAM on Android still causes decent app and page reloading,
If a stock Android Nexus 7 tablet running the latest Android OS, with literally very little apps on the device, with all of them updated, with the Chrome Browser on Android tweaked to use even more memory then standard, still has app reloading and tab reloading, it happens to alot of Android users then, you don't get more bareboned and tweaked then my Nexus 7 running also in ART mode. its actually quite a bit slower on the Nexus 7 over a Apple A7, a Apple A7 reloads apps EXTREMELY fast if they happened to pause and need to reload.
You mean stock Android is pretty well optimized these days, A Galaxy S5 is pretty clunky and laggy out the box, that TouchWiz skin is pretty bad with all those tons of preloaded apps and every single home screen filled with garbage, HTC's Sense Skin is pretty light on RAM, much lighter then TouchWiz, not 100% sure of the LG skin and how it performs.
As a heavy user of my tablet and smartphone and these devices ( I have used Android alot and i have used iOS alot also) there really is really not much of a difference in what i can do with multi tasking on both OS's at all
Apple A7 has a L3 cache on board , virtually no SoC's have L3 cache right now, it helps tremendously
No, the flagship product has 128gb of storage.
So now the 6 plus isn't a flagship product...
I have crash issues all the time on my Galaxy Note 3, reboot it several times a week. Wished I had my Galaxy Note 2 back.
It's disappointing. But Apple has a tradition of limiting the RAM amount (and harddisk space) to bare minimal on their Macs. So it's not surprising either. I don't care about the RAM amount IF & ONLY IF they can fix the Safari reloading problem on my iPad Air.
It's not as if Apple doesn't know about the issue, and user experience aside I don't think Apple's engineers are stupid enough to think that constantly reloading data (especially when done over LTE) uses less power than not. I conclude that Apple management simply doesn't care. You do not fix what you deem irrelevant.
Page reloading is slower when using wifi. I think Apple expects everyone to be on LTE so it considers the page reloading only a minor bother.
I don't want more RAM just to prevent reloading, nice though that would be, I want more RAM to improve battery life.
I don't know if more RAM would cure the Safari page reloading issues. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But this is a problem that needs fixing. I bet if I file a bug Apple will ask me to use less tabs and try again. Ok, I'll use a max of 2 tabs when any other app is "open" in the background.
Page reloading is almost instant on wifi , it's ridicuously fast, is your LTE speeds faster then your Wi Fi?
It shouldn't matter, 16 pages in and the experts have convinced me 1 GB is enough!
In the long run maybe a bad idea. Would be better to encourage developers to move commonly accessed controls (that can't be replaced with gestures) to the bottom of the screen. Having this mode as a crutch may slow down developers reworking their UI's because less necessity. (In the mean time I am busy updating apps, though it's tough to know what works and what doesn't without a phone in hand).
Please let's stop with this: "IT'S SAFARI'S FAULT". It is not!! My problem is multitasking. If I switch from one app to the other, the previous is always reloaded because there's no more RAM available. This doesn't happen with my iPhone 5 since it's not 64 bit and thus has more mem available.
Ummm... either you have 2 very crippled Android devices (maybe Chinese fakes) or you are lying.
I made a video for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7brKqKCrvY4&index=1&list=UUeh4nHtj_u5Bwj8WotKtePA
No tab reloads, no app reloads (except email which I purposely set up to reload every time)... and the RAM status says it all. I suspect you have NO idea how Android manages RAM. You should check google on that matter.
Yes so it reloads those safari pages faster.
You do realise that NO reload is actually even faster?
Your post is correct, Virtual Memory doesn't necessary mean you are writing pages to the file system.
iOS simply dump apps from memory when it needs more ram for current running application. So more RAM means more apps in memory at the same.
The only good news is that the screenshot indicates that not much memory is allocated for graphics ... which might indicate that the GPU has separate graphics memory... on the other hand the phone isn't exactly doing a lot in that screenshot and I'm sure the GPU gets memory dynamically rather than statically, so it might mean nothing.
Some good points here. I guess the multitasking thing for me is somewhat over rated. I tend to do one thing at a time or play a single game at one time. Sure, a music player might be going in the background but the idea of furiously switching between heavy memory using apps just doesn't seem to be a very common use case.
Good call on people not really knowing what killed an app though. It's easy and makes sense for them to blame the app maker when in fact it could be RAM. I guess overall, it wouldn't have killed apple to throw an extra GB in there. Unless apple can substantiate why adding RAM would have compromised battery performance or something else too much. I doubt it though.