iPhone 6 Plus Might Be Limited to 1 GB of RAM

[rGiskard]

LOL so because Safari tabs isnt a big deal for me, means I dont need a smartphone? When did you put cameras in my home to know who I am, what I do and how I use my phone? I mean, I can't possibly not do anything heavy on my phone, I'm not all bent out about 1GB RAM, life is over.....You realize there's a million productive things on a phone besides the ol' safari browser right? Safari must be a horribly important part of your business and life if you're that sore over this, the horror bro, the horror. I wihs you luck in whichever product you choose, I hope you can have lots of tabs, and lots of RAM, you seem important, I hope you get it!

You're criticizing people who find 1GB to be limiting, reminding them over and over that i's "just a phone," and you seem to have a serious problem with idea of using Safari heavily on an iPhone.

It's almost like you can't imagine why someone would want to use the internet.

 

[Rocko1]

Get over it. More ram won't improve your endowment or your ideviices performance.

 

[barondebxl]

LOL, really? I want to be a kid again like you, when nothing mattered and you could care about phones so much....and if you're an adult, then my god man.

Look who's talking...if you don't care about phones so much why aren't you doing something else like the majority of ppl who don't hang around forum posting? clown u are

 

[Dinø]

Where do you think those Page In/Outs are going?

Less RAM means more paging (to flash memory). This means worse performance and worse battery life. It also means some of your storage is lost (permanently reserved) so that it can be used as a page file.

I've purchased 9 iPhones for my family, but I'm not going to ignore completely bogus claims like less memory == better performance (battery or otherwise). That's one of the dumbest things I've read on this site.

 

[accentaudio]

How do we know that this is really an iPhone 6+ and not just a 6? Reliability?

 

[cfedu]

I'll wait for official analysis of the devices but if the new iPhones have 1GB it's really not acceptable. These are pocket computers and they are expensive. RAM is cheap. Constant refreshing of tabs/apps is not acceptable. I really can't see how Apple can't put 2GB in a device heading into 2015.

I can because people will buy it!

 

[barondebxl]

You are the one that doesn't get it. The 6+ does not have 2 GB of RAM because it doesn't need 2 GB of RAM.

Making comments like "$700 plus for a phone i should get more RAM"
...is all I really need to evaluate your capability of carrying this conversation.

You have yet to say something intelligent. " It doesn't have 2 gigs of ram cause it doesn't need 2 gigs of ram". Because you know since you already own the device. Is it tard day today? U guys are everywhere! Or maybe its just another day on macrumors :0

 

[Grolubao]

Does this mean the next iPad Air will have also 1gb ram? Insta no-buy

Screams out loud: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!

 

[Tubamajuba]

If having only 1 GB of RAM is a deal breaker for you, please go buy an Android phone. iOS has never been and will never be designed for you.

I'm not saying more RAM wouldn't be nice, but here we are. Whining isn't magically going to put an extra gig of RAM in the phone that you're not going to buy.

 

[andyyardley]

Where do you think those Page In/Outs are going?

Less RAM means more paging (to flash memory). This means worse performance and worse battery life. It also means some of your storage is lost (permanently reserved) so that it can be used as a page file.

I've purchased 9 iPhones for my family, but I'm not going to ignore completely bogus claims like less memory == better performance (battery or otherwise). That's one of the dumbest things I've read on this site.

My understanding of iOS is that it doesn't support virtual memory and hence all writeable memory lives in RAM and is never paged off to flash at all, it would however mean lost processor cycles trying to get apps to free up memory which might have an impact on battery life.

Although OS X supports a backing store, iOS does not. In iPhone applications, read-only data that is already on the disk (such as code pages) is simply removed from memory and reloaded from disk as needed. Writable data is never removed from memory by the operating system. Instead, if the amount of free memory drops below a certain threshold, the system asks the running applications to free up memory voluntarily to make room for new data. Applications that fail to free up enough memory are terminated.

https://developer.apple.com/library...tual/managingmemory/articles/aboutmemory.html

 

[Essenar]

I seriously wish people would stop bringing benchmarks to a productivity fight.

Let's face it, a SunSpider benchmark has absolutely NO impact or bearing on how productive I am with an iPhone versus a Note or a Galaxy S. Period. End of story.

If you're using a MacBook, and it closes your browser every time you have two tabs open, and someone is using a Windows Laptop which doesn't have the same issue, then WHOEVER needs to use more than two tabs will be less productive on an iPhone than a Note. This is universal to you REGARDLESS of whether you don't care or not.

Simply saying you don't consider it an issue or that you rarely use more than one tab, that's fine but it doesn't stop it from being a true observation.

At the end of the day, 0% of the time are you allowed to say 1GB of ram is better than 2GB. It's simply not true and never will be true. The only argument you can attempt to make is that 2GB offers no advantages over 1GB in which case, you're still wrong. This is because there's no iOS device to compare 1GB to 2GB and I'm sure Apple won't do it until they're ready for a blanket application of it because as an ACTUAL engineer with an engineering degree and a job as an engineer, I can tell you that there WILL be a performance difference and you will all be wrong.

Just like you were all wrong about:
3.5" being big enough
4" being big enough
Simultaneous applications running being a better feature
Widgets being pointless
3rd party keyboards being useful
Swipe being a good feature
Voice to text being useful
Google Maps being better
Using a phone for navigation
A drag down notification bar

 

[TommyA6]

It could just be me, but I don't think this ram thing is as bad as an issue as claimed. Maybe certain individuals can tell the difference in ram on a smartphone, but I can't. My devices might be different, but they seem pretty fast to me.

And then there are these benchmarks....

Those benchmarks have nothing to do with RAM.

 

[Edd.Dantes]

Thanks man, but there is no need. I actually accepted one of his spare computers. However, we both know he won't give me anything and that he is only trying to make fun of us. Which is sad, as he says, if these issues are not important to him, why bother with us?

Nice to see there are still some reasonable people in here. Thank you so much.

Needs and wants aside. I want to give just to piss off all those that would never dream of helping

You say there is no need, which delights me that you can make ends meet. My original motivation was to turn this horrible thread into something good and actually assist higher education. Now that it's not needed, I still offer because I follow through on promises.

I also encourage intelligent discourse and you are calm, collective and making rational arguments. You are worth helping, whether you need it or not. At least accept my encouragement. Never waver on your thoughts or beliefs and always be man enough to admit faults. Although, no one will be able to present compelling, opposing, arguments here.

 

[2IS]

Where do you think those Page In/Outs are going?

Less RAM means more paging (to flash memory). This means worse performance and worse battery life. It also means some of your storage is lost (permanently reserved) so that it can be used as a page file.

I've purchased 9 iPhones for my family, but I'm not going to ignore completely bogus claims like less memory == better performance (battery or otherwise). That's one of the dumbest things I've read on this site.

When Apple makes a dumb decision, it becomes very clear who here is intelligent and who's.... Less so.

 

[andyyardley]

So are you saying Apple rather have a thinner phone than a better performing phone? Or that they may lose a little bit of $$$? That is sad, really.

Only a small % will be affected by issues caused by low memory. So why bother adding it in?

2GB RAM + $50 price = 10% loss in sales due to cost but only 1% will see benefit.

I agree with what you are saying BTW, and I don't believe that an extra GB of ram would cost $50, but it'll ultimately go into the giant Apple money making spreadsheet and they'll figure out what is most profitable for them.

 

[2IS]

Only a small % will be affected by issues caused by low memory. So why bother adding it in?

2GB RAM + $50 price = 10% loss in sales due to cost but only 1% will see benefit.

I agree with what you are saying BTW, and I don't believe that an extra GB of ram would cost $50, but it'll ultimately go into the giant Apple money making spreadsheet and they'll figure out what is most profitable for them.

A source for your made up numbers would be fabulous.

 

[maj71303]

I'm in a holding pattern for right now as the phone I have is in mint condition. I'll wait until the results come in on the amount of RAM. If it has more than 1GB great for the plus. If it has just 1GB max then I need to get a phablet from someone else.

It's 2014 and 1GB won't cut it on a phablet with my wallet. My wallet is already talking much **** to me already, I don't need it calling me a dumb*** next. I need some feature proofing otherwise my dollars go somewhere else.

A 5.5" phone is a phablet and in phablet land you come to play, don't be a wuss and punk out apple otherwise samsung is right and you can't play in phablet land with the big boys.

 

[andyyardley]

A source for your made up numbers would be fabulous.

No source, they're pure made up as i'm just speculating why Apple would have made such a decision.

 

[Edd.Dantes]

I'd say the root cause is that each of us independently perceives others as being hostile, so we may start assuming others are being that way too. Like how if anyone defends Apple on here, people automatically assume they don't know anything, then the person who insults them gets dismissed as an Android fan boy.

Anyway, now that I think about it.. I think the only time I have noticed this problem was when using outlook web services to check my work email, and I would have to log in again. It was probably because I had upgraded my iPad to iOS 7 and my company's IT hadn't yet finished it's testing with it. I'm not usually doing anything that requires logging in again after a reload, or filling out a form that gets cleared, though, so that's why I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.

Apple devices can't do everything you want them to, and sometimes have limitations, but as a whole I'm happy with how they work, and it can be frustrating to watch people dismiss the entire thing because it is lacking some arbitrary benchmark expectation they set for it. In this particular case, it seems warranted to an extent.

Well explained and said.

My needs are not your needs. My experiences are not your experienced. All vice versa.

Context and humanity is lost whilst we hide behind keyboards and screens.

Unless personally called out, I'll try to just observe or smack someone that attacks someone else's right to an opinion

 

[2IS]

No source, they're pure made up as i'm just speculating why Apple would have made such a decision.

Maximizing profits is the only reason. I'm willing to bet a whole lot more than 1% of people have experienced behavior related to not enough RAM on their IOS devices, it's just that most think that's normal operation and/or have no idea that lack of memory is the reason for such behavior. If the typical Apple consumer wasn't such a sheep, perhaps both phones would have 2GB.

 

[barondebxl]

If having only 1 GB of RAM is a deal breaker for you, please go buy an Android phone. iOS has never been and will never be designed for you.

I'm not saying more RAM wouldn't be nice, but here we are. Whining isn't magically going to put an extra gig of RAM in the phone that you're not going to buy.

Thank God comments like this don't affect technology otherwise we would still be using Kyocera phones.

 

[Soni Sanjay]

Needs and wants aside. I want to give just to piss off all those that would never dream of helping

You say there is no need, which delights me that you can make ends meet. My original motivation was to turn this horrible thread into something good and actually assist higher education. Now that it's not needed, I still offer because I follow through on promises.

I also encourage intelligent discourse and you are calm, collective and making rational arguments. You are worth helping, whether you need it or not. At least accept my encouragement. Never waver on your thoughts or beliefs and always be man enough to admit faults. Although, no one will be able to present compelling, opposing, arguments here.

I gladly accept and take your encouragement. Thanks again for the help. And yes, no one has been able to present opposing arguments here. I think that is because there aren't any. But still, thanks again for the help. Have a nice day.

 

[isoft7]

To everyone who argues 1gb is all you need, I must remind until just recently, everyone here argued large phones we're unnecessary and a poor ergonomic experience.

Now, those same people are flocking to buy a gigantic 5.5" iPhone.

...basically, STOP APOLOGIZING FOR APPLE.

1gb is a poor decision, period. You can try and validate your opinion through endless excuses, or you can just admit Apple is ****ing over the end user experience for increased profit margin.

"I DONT NEED A BIG PHONE!" - last week

"OH WOW!!! 5.5 INCH SCREEN!!! HOW INNOVATIVE!!! I MUST HAVE!!! THANKS JOBS... I MEAN COOK!!!" - this week

"YOU DONT NEED 2GB OF RAM!" - this week

"OH WOW!!! 2GB OF RAM MAKES THE PHONE SO MUCH BETTER AND FASTER!!! HOW INNOVATIVE!!! THANKS JOBS... I MEAN COOK!!!" - iPhone 6S release

 

[horsebattery]

Where do you think those Page In/Outs are going?

Less RAM means more paging (to flash memory). This means worse performance and worse battery life. It also means some of your storage is lost (permanently reserved) so that it can be used as a page file.

I've purchased 9 iPhones for my family, but I'm not going to ignore completely bogus claims like less memory == better performance (battery or otherwise). That's one of the dumbest things I've read on this site.

I've mentioned this earlier in this post. iOS does not page out to the flash storage. Page outs in iOS simply mean that (certain) existing pages are cleared out in memory, so your main storage isn't affected. Performance and battery life can however, benefit from additional memory - it is similar to the CPU's race to sleep concept, where you try to preserve CPU cycles to do useful work.

My understanding of iOS is that it doesn't support virtual memory and hence all writeable memory lives in RAM and is never paged off to flash at all, it would however mean lost processor cycles trying to get apps to free up memory which might have an impact on battery life.


https://developer.apple.com/library...tual/managingmemory/articles/aboutmemory.html

Virtual memory is indeed supported, but you are correct in that iOS does not page out to a backing store unlike OS X.

 

[Soni Sanjay]

Only a small % will be affected by issues caused by low memory. So why bother adding it in?

2GB RAM + $50 price = 10% loss in sales due to cost but only 1% will see benefit.

I agree with what you are saying BTW, and I don't believe that an extra GB of ram would cost $50, but it'll ultimately go into the giant Apple money making spreadsheet and they'll figure out what is most profitable for them.

I understand your point. I still think it is sad. But I know it is not your fault, of course.