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Im out. Not only has the design gone backwards but this 1gb of RAM is a joke. Im sure most iphone users wont notice since most of them want 2 inch phones anyway.

Its Normal Apple strategy. The 6S when released next year will have more ram and a better camera. Got to save something to impress with the next product.
 
Its Normal Apple strategy. The 6S when released next year will have more ram and a better camera. Got to save something to impress with the next product.

I doubt it will have more RAM. A better camera and faster processor is the norm when it comes to 'S' models.
 
Didn't have time to read the whole thread, so this has probably already been stated.

2 phones with 1GB RAM and 2GB RAM but otherwise identical specs would run at the same speed unless the one with 1GB is full. iOS does not require that much RAM, so they did not include that much.
 
Didn't have time to read the whole thread, so this has probably already been stated.

2 phones with 1GB RAM and 2GB RAM but otherwise identical specs would run at the same speed unless the one with 1GB is full. iOS does not require that much RAM, so they did not include that much.

If that's the case then why are my crash reports full of low memory logs, and why do my apps and safari webpages reload daily?
 
I have an iPhone 5 and an iPad Air. Safari on both is an embarrassment. 2014, and you can't even toggle on another tab without having to refresh every time. Do people really think that is acceptable?

I agree this is ridiculous do we know for sure that it is RAM though?
 
This is another reason why :apple: only uses low amounts of memory. It forces devs to programm intelligently.
Otherwise older devices wouln't run new apps anymore.

This! This is the best reason for limiting ram in my opinion. Didn't you all see the pie chart the other day showing that the iPhone 5 is the most popular iPhone at this time? I don't mind the refresh of tabs in safari either, as it only annoys me when filling out a form online, which is very rare to be honest.
 
This! This is the best reason for limiting ram in my opinion. Didn't you all see the pie chart the other day showing that the iPhone 5 is the most popular iPhone at this time? I don't mind the refresh of tabs in safari either, as it only annoys me when filling out a form online, which is very rare to be honest.

You don't mind an annoyance? Imagine if your usage patterns made this 'annoyance' crop up daily. That's where some of us are at.
 
Because it includes the RAM required for the OS. And because it is a huuuuge piece of software with 98000 features, of which you'll use maybe four at any given time.
MS Office is as basic as it gets.
It only requires 2gb RAM because the people who programmed it are lazy and don't utilize the resources wisely.

:apple: considers (most of) their customers needs. Devs are forced to programm apps so they use less RAM.
That is why all iDevices since the iPad2 and iPhone4 still run most apps and keep their value.
When you get a contract where i live you can get the newest Samsung crap phone for free or pay extra and get the iPhone 4s. Because the old iDevices still hold their value and work like a charm for 99% of folks.
 
MS Office is as basic as it gets.
It only requires 2gb RAM because the people who programmed it are lazy and don't utilize the resources wisely.

A bit like the programmers of Safari then? :)
That's probably unfair, it must be tremendously difficult to divide up 1GB of RAM between all the apps and open tabs.
 
A bit like the programmers of Safari then? :)
That's probably unfair, it must be tremendously difficult to divide up 1GB of RAM between all the apps and open tabs.
iDevices were never meant to replace a real computer.
That's why :apple: runs iOS on them and MS is fiddling around with their surface crap.
Safari works fine for me and most people. It's just that you cannot really multitask or keep tabs open.
I use a Mac for that.

Eventually real multitasking will be possible across the board, but for now :apple: does the right thing to stay successfull.
 
If this rumor about 1gb is true apple made a conscious decision to give up sales rather than margin. For the people who compare specs on paper apple doesn't care about those lost sales. For the few people who claim to have issues with 1gb ram and move out of apple, apple doesn't care about them either.

The iPhone 6 is going to sell like gangbusters. Antenna lines, camera lens, 1gb ram, no wireless charging and all.

There is going to be a certain amount of "I've left apple threads", but apple knows who it caters to in terms of a consumer.

Yeah, I'm one of those people that is going to by the 6, but overall just not that impressed with it. I'm buying it, because I want to try the Apple Watch and it's forcing you to use the iPhone.

Pretty sure they are going to have a 6S upgrade to 2GB so we can see another leap in performance. Not that fond of the design decisions made for this version though. Hopefully the iPhone 7 steps up a bit on it's design.
 
iDevices were never meant to replace a real computer.
That's why :apple: runs iOS on them and MS is fiddling around with their surface crap.
Safari works fine for me and most people. It's just that you cannot really multitask or keep tabs open.
I use a Mac for that.

Eventually real multitasking will be possible across the board, but for now :apple: does the right thing to stay successfull.

So why offer so many browser tabs and allow multitasking if the system cannot function correctly due to a lack of RAM? Are you saying that iPhones and iPads are expensive toys?
 
So why offer so many browser tabs and allow multitasking if the system cannot function correctly due to a lack of RAM? So are you saying that iPhones and iPads are expensive toys?
Partially, yes. They are. They are strongly geared torwards media consumption.

But:
I use my iPad and iPhone successfully in a professional capacity.
Keeping multiple tabs open is not necessary for me. Neither is multitasking.
For really important things I always use a Mac.

This is nothing new.
IPads do not support usb and sd cards - for very good reasons!
IPads do not support flash - also for very good reasons!
People used to complain about this when the iPad was first introduced, now they complain about RAM.
Their is a certain usage philosophy behind :apple:s concept. If that is not for you, then get another device.
 
The 6 Plus will have worse performance if the internals are the same (There's already a thread here about just that).

I assume that you are saying this because it has more pixels to manage. They could easily compensate on that by upping the clock speed for the 6+. The 6+ has a bigger battery, so it could handle the power drain. Probably they would only need to speed up the GPU.

I guess we will find out next Friday when the iFixit tear downs and geekbench results are available

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This! This is the best reason for limiting ram in my opinion. Didn't you all see the pie chart the other day showing that the iPhone 5 is the most popular iPhone at this time? I don't mind the refresh of tabs in safari either, as it only annoys me when filling out a form online, which is very rare to be honest.

I've often thought that this is the reason as well. RAM is very cheap these days, so just cost is not a great reason.

However, at some point they need to make the jump.

Either that, or make Safari more memory efficient! Personally, I don't have any problem with the lack of RAM except in Safari tabs that are constantly reloading (especially on my iPad). Most apps are designed to close down and restart without you hardly noticing.

On Safari, however, reloading pages can take a long time and sometimes you lose context. One time I was filling out a rather long form in Safari, and I needed to look something up. I opened a new tab (just one!!!), found some info I needed, and when I switched back to the previous tab it reloaded and lost everything I had typed in. I was furious!
 
According to :apple:insider the iPhone 6 will have 1 gb of ram inside to save battery life.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...sts-a8-cpu-has-1gb-of-ram-is-clocked-at-14ghz

My opinion is, that battery life is more important than multitasking on mobile devices.
(and that is why the macbook air comes with 4gb RAM by default)

What do you think?

Battery life will not be directly impacted by adding more RAM. It could only be indirectly affected if devs get lazy.


As for Safari page reloads, it has become MUCH better in iOS8. I most deff don't think it was a ram issue, I did a bit of testing my self. 4 Pages open (macrumors, tiger direct, cnet & vw.ca), cycling through them and no refreshes.

Went ahead and open up a few other apps to play around with(Hitman GO, Worms, Weather, maps, notes). Went back to Safari and not a single reload.

For those complaining about going back to an App and it needing to restart: That is not because of lack of RAM. It is because the dev not implementing that correctly.

Granted if you leave an app open for weeks and go back to it, you can't expect it to not have to reload. Same with Safari tabs, you can't have 10 open and go back to them after a week and complain about them reloading. :p
 
Does Apple use real A-series chip pictures in their Keynotes? If so, someone run this image and it's numbers by the list that we saw in a MacRumors article/post somewhere. It probably is just a placeholder, and the numbers mean nothing.
 

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iDevices were never meant to replace a real computer.
That's why :apple: runs iOS on them and MS is fiddling around with their surface crap.
Safari works fine for me and most people. It's just that you cannot really multitask or keep tabs open.
I use a Mac for that.

Eventually real multitasking will be possible across the board, but for now :apple: does the right thing to stay successfull.

Owning shares of APPL I find your post troubling. I DISTINCTLY (and I mean verbatim) remember these post on blackberry forums.

They were designed to do this not that....They don't need to change.... thats their philosophy....I don't do this because...I use this other device for that.... EVENTUALLY they will do this or that...

And then like your mention in a later post. "If thats not for you then get another device". Well everyone did get another device and now look at blackberry.

Its so eerily similar I searched the old forums for your user name...lol
 
Owning shares of APPL I find your post troubling. I DISTINCTLY (and I mean verbatim) remember these post on blackberry forums.

They were designed to do this not that....They don't need to change.... thats their philosophy....I don't do this because...I use this other device for that.... EVENTUALLY they will do this or that...

And then like your mention in a later post. "If thats not for you then get another device". Well everyone did get another device and now look at blackberry.

Its so eerily similar I searched the old forums for your user name...lol
I've never owned a blackberry or been on a blackberry forum.
People always critizise :apple:. In the end :apple: comes out on top.
With :apple:pay they will become insanely successfull. No need to worry about your shares. ;)
 
any further news if 6 PLUS has 2 GEEBEEEEZ?

So I have a question:

If the plus does have 1GB, as is WIDELY expected, what then?

Are the complainers not going to buy it? Or are they just going to keep complaining about it?

I have never in my life seen a product that is considered "woefully inadequate" yet still generates lines around city blocks just for the privelege of buying one at full retail price.

If it's that bad, MOVE ON. There are a bazillion things they could do to improve the phone. They could add six extra processors and a fuel cell to power them! They could include 1TB of storage space! They could make it out of solid gold!

They have absolutely, positively, ZERO need to make unnecessary changes. And 2GB of RAM IS unnecessary... 99.9% of users will never experience a memory related issue, but lets say it was even 98%: the 2% STILL wouldn't warrant a change.

Face it, the whiners are in the minority on this issue, and until there's a need, it won't change....

I, for one, am greatly amused that despite how horrible they make it seem, they are still going to be pre-ordering with the rest of us. If they really want a change, vote with the wallet, don't throw money back at Apple lol... But deep down they know what we already do: There is nothing better than the iPhone, so the refuse to leave :D.
 
I don't see what the big deal is. My iPhone 5c with only 1 gig of RAM has no problem with 50+ backgrounded apps. That's over 50. No noticeable hit in performance. Don't get caught up in the spec wars like Android users do.

Yep and let's not forget Samsung was caught out lying about its specs.
 
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