Yea, you are right. Details, details, details. So over rated. So you didn't know the 4S had a slim, or the 5 had a sim, or the 5S had a sim. Details, details, details.
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iPhone 6: Worth the upgrade? Not at all.
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Yea, you are right. Details, details, details. So over rated. So you didn't know the 4S had a slim, or the 5 had a sim, or the 5S had a sim. Details, details, details.
Pretending a mistake on the sim slot makes the post invalid on the rest of its points is indeed a straw man. You are simply taking aim at the weakest part of the argument and exploiting it.
Don't waste your time with a thread you don't take seriously. It's simply petty on your part.
If you wish not to be disagreed with, don't post your opinion in a public forum. In case you're new to the internet, forums are a place for people to interact and communicate with each other. You started a conversation with random strangers. So don't get all pissy when the people you're communicating with decide to reply.
If you'd like a conversation where everyone agrees with your opinion and aren't against giving you a nice pat on the back, I suggest you find a different form of communication. I'm not sure where you would find such a place without shelling out money, but I do know public forums aren't the place for that.
Also, don't present your OPINION as fact and you'll probably stir up less trouble.
Apple is currently selling 3 phones that are of similar quality. Similar. Not the absolute same. Some have more features, some have less. Those phones are:
The 5s, the 6, and the 6+
Surely, one can find what one wants somewhere in there... all with the convenience of a removable, swappable SIM card.
Or, I mean, you could go for a 5C, but that really would be a step back.
The 5s, the 6, and the 6+
Surely, one can find what one wants somewhere in there... all with the convenience of a removable, swappable SIM card.
Or, I mean, you could go for a 5C, but that really would be a step back.
Getting one of five major talking points completely incorrect isn't a "detail"... It pretty much torpedoes the entire treatise.
Your other points are matters of personal preference, a myopic/skewed view of the target customers, ethnocentrism, and ignorance of changes occurring in the US payment processing environment. No point in discussing the first, can't do much with the second two, and the last doesn't matter as it's happening with or without Apple taking advantage of it.
No the mistake I made was thinking they removed the sim slot for iPhone 6 going from the 5s. (Shrug. I can own up to it.)
But your response obviously missed that detail or just wished to capitalize on a fiction.
Excellent advice, my friend.
Agreed. And the OP is getting his/her shorts all up in a bunch when people have the nerve to disagree.
Not at all. A straw man is an argument brought up by someone else to make your point look silly. But you brought it up, quite squarely. Then edited your post when people called you on it, so it didn't look so silly.
This little "missed detail" is actually a very big thing. It explains a lot about where you're coming from. You clearly haven't seen an iPhone 6 in person nor held it in your hand. And that does reduce the credibility of your argument.
How are you to know what the "bulbous" edges feel like? And by the way, they aren't "bulbous." Bulbous implies that the edges are fatter and thicker than the rest of the body. They are not.
How are you to know that a bigger screen is impractical? Again, you haven't held it in your hand and haven't used it. I for one, was an opponent of huge screens. But I kept an open mind and actually tried one out before making my final judgement. Now that I've used an iPhone 6 Plus, I'm gladly willing to say my opinion was wrong. And by the way: it's those same "bulbous" edges you complain about (but have never felt) which make the larger screen quite manageable. It also makes a 5 and 4 series phone feel clunky and retro... and not in the good way.
Except no one "chased down" anything. You offered an opinion, quite loudly, and professed that your opinion is the reason why the iPhone shouldn't exist at all. You chastised the design - again, without actual knowledge and experience - and professed it as authoritative. Did you expect everyone to just nod their heads and agree with you? That would've made for a very boring and short-lived thread.
People disagree, and when you come in with a brash tone, people are going to respond in kind. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
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And here I thought I was having a bad day.
From the 4S, the iPhone 6 is a great improvement. From the 5, maybe not. From the 5S, probably not a huge leap but the screen size alone is what many folks seemed to have wanted. Plus, going to a larger screen gave the monkeys over at Samsung some new material for their commercials.
From the 4S, the iPhone 6 is a great improvement. From the 5, maybe not. From the 5S, probably not a huge leap but the screen size alone is what many folks seemed to have wanted. Plus, going to a larger screen gave the monkeys over at Samsung some new material for their commercials.
I would not use an upgrade on the 6.
I agree it's too big -- hopefully Apple will bless us with a full featured iPhone Mini in the future.
Form factor is a non-issue to me. They're all rectangular & flat, and I can tweak the shape with a case.
I'd rather a heavier/sturdier metal than aluminum.
But it is an upgrade in usage testing from the 5s, although I think the 5s is a perfectly good alternative to the 6 if you don't want to throw $$$ at the latest iThing (like I do).
I agree it's too big -- hopefully Apple will bless us with a full featured iPhone Mini in the future.
Form factor is a non-issue to me. They're all rectangular & flat, and I can tweak the shape with a case.
I'd rather a heavier/sturdier metal than aluminum.
But it is an upgrade in usage testing from the 5s, although I think the 5s is a perfectly good alternative to the 6 if you don't want to throw $$$ at the latest iThing (like I do).
My post doesn't ask for agreement. Insulting the speaker or the thread is quite different from voicing disagreement. This is a pretty easy distinction for users to make.
I do however find it petty to spam a thread you don't take seriously which some are showing they're perfectly comfortable doing. I don't tend to engage with threads (whether I agree or disagree with them) if I don't at least take the premise seriously. So far this thread is primarily a bunch of people capitalizing on a sim card mistake rather than putting forward any reasons as to why the iPhone 6 is a better day-to-day experience over the previous models.
Wrong. A straw man is when you make up a point the original person did not make, and then call them wrong for using the made up point.
In your case, you made an inaccurate statement, and therefore posters are questioning the validity of your arguments when you clearly are not well versed on the subject. That's not a straw man, it's just the truth.
Anyway, you seem to be reacting pretty negatively to just about everyone here, so I might as well ask, what exactly was your goal with this post? Like, what was the underlying motivation, and what did you expect from the people on this forum as far as replies? Because if all you wanted to do was start a discussion, and then you spend your time berating people that disagree with you, you're not acting very logically. If you started this thread for some other, worse reason (like you can't afford the new phone and want to make it look bad to feel better) then your actions do seem appropriate.
On a wider note, I found a bigger (and much better) screen, faster processor, faster wifi/LTE, longer battery, better camera, louder speaker, and a number of other improvements to very much make it worth the upgrade for me.
Maybe you should re-read the post you made OP... It does come across as harsh, if you go to ANY forum for phones and post something written like you did here, how will people react?? You make a generalized statement about a phone that isn't for you.
Your have the right to do so of course, but at the end of the day, it's your opinion . I do not believe Apple would not have sold as many 6s if people thought they were a step back or a downgrade from other phones. Just be glad you didn't buy one for yourself, I know I'm glad you didn't .
Your have the right to do so of course, but at the end of the day, it's your opinion . I do not believe Apple would not have sold as many 6s if people thought they were a step back or a downgrade from other phones. Just be glad you didn't buy one for yourself, I know I'm glad you didn't .
Fortunately, no one has insulted the speaker. People (myself included) have pointed out significant flaws in your assessment... regardless of how much you want to downplay a missed detail that you'd know correctly if you actually used the thing you're criticizing. And from that we've questioned the credibility of the argument you make, based on your lack of direct experience. These are not insults... they are valid reasons upon which to base a counterpoint.
So let's see... you haven't used or had experience with the item you're denigrating. You don't know what a straw man is. And now you don't know what an ad hominem attack really is. Again, your credibility is really sliding here.
You clearly also don't know what spamming is. Disagreeing with you is not spam, nor is providing counterpoints against your argument. Even directly insulting you isn't spam, though it wouldn't be a very nice thing to do. Please get definitions of your arguments correct before you decide to use them to defend your position.
And your thread is just a rambling complaint about the phone. I'll be honest, I don't get it - if I don't like something the last thing I do is create a thread on a forum about it... I don't get the point, or what you're wanting to gain.
About the only thing I agree with you on is the memory size for the phone. I'm happy with the new screen size and I like the design quite a bit. And Apple would have been silly to ignore the continued clamouring for NFC.
I don't see these negatives.
The 6 is large enough to draw me back to using my phone. With the 5s sized devices I almost never used my phone for anything unless I was out of the house and it was the only device I had. Even then, it was by necessity, not because it was enjoyable. The 6's screen is actually large enough that I'll pick it up at times over my iPad at home. The bonus is it still fits in my pocket, still fits in the dedicated phone pockets in my bags, and I can still carry it with me in my hand if necessary when I'm running in an unfamiliar place. The 6+ would be far too big.
The rounded edges don't look as good as the hard edges of old, but boy do they feel nice. This phone has the best in-hand feel of any iPhone ever. I'm not even putting a case on it as it feels great and there are no hard edges to chip up.
I got 128GB in my phone, finally!! I can now carry my entire lossless music library with me.
Have you actually used one of these phones other than at a store, or are you just speculating?
The 6 is large enough to draw me back to using my phone. With the 5s sized devices I almost never used my phone for anything unless I was out of the house and it was the only device I had. Even then, it was by necessity, not because it was enjoyable. The 6's screen is actually large enough that I'll pick it up at times over my iPad at home. The bonus is it still fits in my pocket, still fits in the dedicated phone pockets in my bags, and I can still carry it with me in my hand if necessary when I'm running in an unfamiliar place. The 6+ would be far too big.
The rounded edges don't look as good as the hard edges of old, but boy do they feel nice. This phone has the best in-hand feel of any iPhone ever. I'm not even putting a case on it as it feels great and there are no hard edges to chip up.
I got 128GB in my phone, finally!! I can now carry my entire lossless music library with me.
Have you actually used one of these phones other than at a store, or are you just speculating?
Those of us that own or like the iPhone 6 don't need to hop on the internet to justify our purchases or profess our love. If you don't like it, buy another device.
Furthermore, you decided to spout this vitriol on a APPLE website/Forum and you expected rainbows and butterflies? You clearly haven't thought this through at all.
The steps of cognitive dissonance:
1. I don't see the value in it
2. A lot people seem to like it
3. But I'm a smart guy
4. Everyone else must be stupid or uninformed
iPhone 6: Worth the upgrade? Not at all.
He came to an iPhone forum and made a thread doggin on the new iPhone and he or she didn't expect push back?? I think you also need to take a look as well. There is no need for him to post such a long drawn out description about why he doesn't like the iPhone 6 when he seems content with the iPhone 5s. He needs to move on and let those who do love it move on with their new toy. Why is it necessary to make a unnecessary thread about the iPhone 6. Now insulting him on a personal level maybe uncalled for I agree but voicing people opinions about the thread he made seems fair
He came to an iPhone forum and made a thread doggin on the new iPhone and he or she didn't expect push back?? I think you also need to take a look as well. There is no need for him to post such a long drawn out description about why he doesn't like the iPhone 6 when he seems content with the iPhone 5s. He needs to move on and let those who do love it move on with their new toy. Why is it necessary to make a unnecessary thread about the iPhone 6. Now insulting him on a personal level maybe uncalled for I agree but voicing people opinions about the thread he made seems fair
Singh, so far you're ignoring comments about your subject feelings, and focus on only those slamming you for the sim card, so I'll go line by line for you
This is your thesis, we'll see if this is true or not based on your argument.
I came to the 4s from an HTC Evo, so I felt like the 3.5" was too small, so yes, the 4" was a step up. However, does a step up mean that it is as big as people want? A 3.7" phone would've been a step up from a 3.5". However, if you like the 4", then it would be a improvement upon a hypothetical 3.7".
Sure, 4.7" isn't welcome to people who want only a 4". However, I myself am one of many who have wanted a phone bigger than a 4" for years. I've been waiting for a 4.5-4.7" iPhone since the iPhone was at 3.5". Sales numbers indicate I am not the only one. However, they do indicate that you are incorrect on this point. There is still a 4" iPhone, the iPhone 5s, and people are picking the 6's instead.
I do not agree that the 6 is awkward to hold. Maybe you do, which is fine, you can stick to a 4". This is a subjective point, so don't say everyone feels the same way, that's obviously not true.
Agreed on this point. 16Gigs is too small. And I agree again, that it's kept that way to nudge people to the 64GB. I have a 64GB now, would've upgraded to a 32GB had it been standard. Apple gets an extra $100 from me, which is in their interest. They're in this to make money. Good job on them finding ways to make more. Sucks for us.
It would've been nice to not have a protruding camera. However, not a deal breaker or very significant, especially since the majority of people have cases.
Bulbous edges is ridiculous. hold the phone if you haven't. It's very nice in the hand, and it does not bulge out. It's necessary to have the screen go to the edges as it does, and have the 'endless pool' effect.
Highly disagree here. People haven't cared about NFC, but past consumer preferences are not always indicators of future preferences. People did not care much about mp3 players before the iPod, people did not have a mass desire for smartphones before the iPhone. Leaders in industry can give people what they want, in a package they didn't know they wanted. Apple Pay provides the most secure method of making payments in the history of the market. It's more convenient than a wallet. The key issue will be merchant adoption. If they don't follow (i'm not an Apple homer, so I won't assume they do), then yes, this will be a moot feature. However, if they do, and they have business reasons to that I won't go into here, then this could be a major shift in consumer spending habits, security, and fraud prevention moving forward.
Didn't mention earlier cause I figured I'd cover it here: The 6 will absolutely fit in your pocket. I'm not a skinny jeans guy, but my pants are very tight (to the point I've always gotten teased about it), and the 6 and even 6 plus fit just fine in my pants. Unless you're a female, which in case you have a purse/clutch, they should fit in 99% of pants wearers.
Storage: this is only an issue if you can only afford (which I don't believe anyone can only afford the $200 model, and if they can't, then they should be spending money on a more basic/older phone to save money). Buy the bigger model and stop complaining.
Conclusion: Your points are all subjective points, some irrational, some rational personal feelings. Many (millions, by sales numbers) disagree with you. That's ok you don't want the new phones. The solution is not to buy one, and not complain that the offering Apple made doesn't meet your wants.
This is your thesis, we'll see if this is true or not based on your argument.
I came to the 4s from an HTC Evo, so I felt like the 3.5" was too small, so yes, the 4" was a step up. However, does a step up mean that it is as big as people want? A 3.7" phone would've been a step up from a 3.5". However, if you like the 4", then it would be a improvement upon a hypothetical 3.7".
Sure, 4.7" isn't welcome to people who want only a 4". However, I myself am one of many who have wanted a phone bigger than a 4" for years. I've been waiting for a 4.5-4.7" iPhone since the iPhone was at 3.5". Sales numbers indicate I am not the only one. However, they do indicate that you are incorrect on this point. There is still a 4" iPhone, the iPhone 5s, and people are picking the 6's instead.
I do not agree that the 6 is awkward to hold. Maybe you do, which is fine, you can stick to a 4". This is a subjective point, so don't say everyone feels the same way, that's obviously not true.
Agreed on this point. 16Gigs is too small. And I agree again, that it's kept that way to nudge people to the 64GB. I have a 64GB now, would've upgraded to a 32GB had it been standard. Apple gets an extra $100 from me, which is in their interest. They're in this to make money. Good job on them finding ways to make more. Sucks for us.
It would've been nice to not have a protruding camera. However, not a deal breaker or very significant, especially since the majority of people have cases.
Bulbous edges is ridiculous. hold the phone if you haven't. It's very nice in the hand, and it does not bulge out. It's necessary to have the screen go to the edges as it does, and have the 'endless pool' effect.
Highly disagree here. People haven't cared about NFC, but past consumer preferences are not always indicators of future preferences. People did not care much about mp3 players before the iPod, people did not have a mass desire for smartphones before the iPhone. Leaders in industry can give people what they want, in a package they didn't know they wanted. Apple Pay provides the most secure method of making payments in the history of the market. It's more convenient than a wallet. The key issue will be merchant adoption. If they don't follow (i'm not an Apple homer, so I won't assume they do), then yes, this will be a moot feature. However, if they do, and they have business reasons to that I won't go into here, then this could be a major shift in consumer spending habits, security, and fraud prevention moving forward.
Didn't mention earlier cause I figured I'd cover it here: The 6 will absolutely fit in your pocket. I'm not a skinny jeans guy, but my pants are very tight (to the point I've always gotten teased about it), and the 6 and even 6 plus fit just fine in my pants. Unless you're a female, which in case you have a purse/clutch, they should fit in 99% of pants wearers.
Storage: this is only an issue if you can only afford (which I don't believe anyone can only afford the $200 model, and if they can't, then they should be spending money on a more basic/older phone to save money). Buy the bigger model and stop complaining.
Conclusion: Your points are all subjective points, some irrational, some rational personal feelings. Many (millions, by sales numbers) disagree with you. That's ok you don't want the new phones. The solution is not to buy one, and not complain that the offering Apple made doesn't meet your wants.
I think if you made such a basic mistake on no SIM card slot, it shows you didn't really do your research on the 6. Maybe if you would've actually bought a 6 and used it for 12 or so days, and then returned it for issues or what it is lacking, that argument holds more water. It's like not buying a BMW, then complaining how it drives in the real world. How the heck would you know?? You would not, but you read about the Specs of said BMW, and therefore you know it doesn't perform like the 2013 model, therefore it's a downgrade. This is all MY opinion, and I own it.
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