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Ever notice the snobbery and better-than-thou attitude of those that do?

Nope, just how this forum is being overrun by:

- Trolls ("I hate Apple and their products designed for morons and idiots too stupid to figure out how they're paying too much for cheap, overhyped toys"),
- Negative Nellies ("I prefer to focus on what this capitalist company did wrong in building that product, rather than what they did right"),
- Chicken Littles ("This signals the beginning of the end for Apple"),
- Goldilocks ("too big, too small, too hot, too cold, too soft, too hard, too little RAM, too bendy when I sit on it, too thin, too late, too too too...")

Mostly (and this is easily tested), they're all newbies and members who've just joined or have been members for years and never post anything, but they all seem to crawl out from under their rocks (mostly) around product launch time to start conversations using the voice of one of the characters above. Evidently, according to you, noticing and calling attention to such behaviour makes *us* the problem (and, btw, you've been called out multiple times in this thread alone). That's truly rich.

However, if you're right and it's true we're the problem, it's beyond strange anyone would choose to hang out with snobs and holier-than-thous.

For what it's worth, this is a discussion forum for people who like Apple products, and it would behoove people to understand that walking into a room and declaring the products people like to discuss here to be crap isn't a good way to start a conversation. If someone truly doesn't understand how to discuss (positively or negatively, which is really about understanding how to be constructive), perhaps it's best to stay out of conversations altogether, unless, that is, it's not really one's intention to discuss but rather one's intention is simply to cause disruption in this forum.

If you think that's snobbery, well, I think it's obvious which character you've chosen to play here.
 
I bought an iPhone 6 coming from a 4s. The screen is nice but the size and industrial design are more awkward for me. Feels very top heavy and the smooth edges feel less grip-able.

I'll make do, and it's still got lots of nice aspects, but the ideal for me would be 4" with a more pixel dense screen (3x). Here's hoping apple gives that size some love again in the future.
 
For what it's worth, this is a discussion forum for people who like Apple products, and it would behoove people to understand that walking into a room and declaring the products people like to discuss here to be crap isn't a good way to start a conversation.

Yep. Just about as dumb as walking into a biker bar, stepping up onto a pool table, reciting a treatise against "donorcycles", and expecting polite applause followed by a scholarly discourse...
 
This is probably the first phone from Apple that is a genuine step backwards. It has all of what is not needed or wanted and none of what is.

Screen Size:
The iPhone 5 was already a step up in screen size and there is now the iPhone 6 Plus for those that need a PDA to call a phone. The bump in screen size for iPhone 6 is not only not wanted by people who are perfectly content with a phone that fits in their front pocket but also a waste of money that could have gone towards other features like 32gb of storage for the base model. Further it now feels completely awkward to hold in one hand.

Storage:
16gigs of storage for $199? Way to make your phone feel cheap Apple (3yrs ago this was the base storage for the iPhone 5). As the size of iOS grows along with the size of the apps that use it (not to mention space for music and photos), 16gigs really shortchanges your users the "better experience" Apple is claims to offer. Of course the pricing structure is such to not simply nudge users towards spending $100 more for 64gigs of storage but make it almost mandatory for any semi-knowledgeable user. This of course sours the experience of buying a new phone.

Design:
Rounded bulbous edges, protruding camera and rubbery inserts? Is this phone meant to float or something? This is a far cry from the tapered edges of an iMac or the streamlined purity the metal band around the iPhone 4/5 offered. Is a marginally better camera really worth breaking the form? People take pictures with their phone, sure. Do they weigh a marginal spec bump as the reason to buy or not buy, I certainly don't, but that 16gig storage thing - absolutely.

NFC:
Maybe this is a selling point in other countries. In the US most people remain indifferent. There is probably more excitement from people about emojis and custom keyboards than anything dealing with NFC.

So what are the selling points of this phone? It has a new chip, the A8, which of course every year's phone has, and it has a motion chip. Ok that's nice.

So how does my day-to-day experience benefit from this new iPhone? Well it won't fit in a front pocket, I'll probably drop it more because of the awkward size, it doesn't lay flat on a table because of the new pimple-cam, it handicaps itself with small storage, and it looks like a metal biscuit. Is it worth an upgrade?

Not at all.

You know if you're unhappy with this phone then don't buy it... It's great simple. However you sound like a person who is trying to get people to convince them that it's OK NOT TO UPGRADE!!!

So listen if you don't wanna upgrade its fine, but it doesn't make the phone all of those things you say it is

This post is very very very subjective.

IMO this is by far the best iPhone YET.!!! Definitely not a step backwards in ANY regard.
 
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This is probably the first phone from Apple that is a genuine step backwards.

Storage:
16gigs of storage for $199? Way to make your phone feel cheap Apple (3yrs ago this was the base storage for the iPhone 5). As the size of iOS grows along with the size of the apps that use it (not to mention space for music and photos), 16gigs really shortchanges your users the "better experience" Apple is claims to offer. Of course the pricing structure is such to not simply nudge users towards spending $100 more for 64gigs of storage but make it almost mandatory for any semi-knowledgeable user. This of course sours the experience of buying a new phone.

Design:
Rounded bulbous edges, protruding camera and rubbery inserts? Is this phone meant to float or something? This is a far cry from the tapered edges of an iMac or the streamlined purity the metal band around the iPhone 4/5 offered. Is a marginally better camera really worth breaking the form? People take pictures with their phone, sure. Do they weigh a marginal spec bump as the reason to buy or not buy, I certainly don't, but that 16gig storage thing - absolutely.

NFC:
Maybe this is a selling point in other countries. In the US most people remain indifferent. There is probably more excitement from people about emojis and custom keyboards than anything dealing with NFC.

I can't tell if you're a troll or not. record sales/preorders disagree with your statement. You say americans don't care about NFC payments. Well Americans didn't care about touchscreen smartphones either until the iPhone came out.

you're pissed off about the 16gb storage thing, even though for most people its adequate seeing how the 16gb model is the one with the most sales... The casual user does not put music on their phone.

Just because you don't like the phone doesn't mean its a "step backwards." Most reviewers out there have said this is the best iphone yet. Just like the majority of people don't care that the camera sticks out and generally speaking that's not something most normal people look at when buying a smartphone. Most people use a case with their phone too, rendering the slight protruding camera irrelevant.
 
iPhone 6: Worth the upgrade? Not at all.

I bought the Six+ and was sceptical about the size thinking it maybe too big. Then I saw all the drama about bending iPhones and was even more worried!

After a couple of weeks I have to say I love this phone! It fits in my front pocket no problem. It hasn't bent at all, even when riding a bike!

I got the 64gb which suits me fine! For some the 16GB would suit them fine! If you are streaming your music with iTunes Match and uploading pictures with iCloud a 16GB would suit some! If not spend some more dollars and stop crying!

If you don't like it don't buy it! But don't judge till you have spent some time with one in your hot little hand! When I pick up an iPhone 4s now, I look at it and think tiny screen!

I'm sick and tired of all the negative idiots on this forum starting useless threads to get attention!

It does sit flat when you use a case. Haven't dropped mine yet and wouldn't risk no case. NFC starts Monday. With all the major banks and card companies involved its win win for everyone!

Is the phone an upgrade? YES you F@#k Wit!
 
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I don't find the need to chase down threads I disagree with to insult the speaker and the thread - I suggest you guys try to do the same.

If you can't make a contribution move along to a thread you can.

No, you didn't chase down a thread to insult the speaker; you chased down an entire forum representing 10 million people who just bought a phone that is clearly popular and well received, and proceeded to attempt to belittle their choices with a malformed, snarky, pedantic rant.

Did you really think that was gonna go over well here?

On the bright side, your post got 6 upvotes as of this writing, though mine will likely get far more. :D
 
For OP: Thanks for your opinion. We get that you don't like it. Fine. Many of us have different opinions.I respect your point of view. I doubt that you will persuade many on this forum to join your side.
 
The iPhone 6 was well worth the upgrade from my iPhone 5 and I am thoroughly happy with it so far. I sold my iPhone 5 for £255 too so the upfront fee for the 6 was covered. If others feel it's not worth the upgrade then I won't argue with that, it's up to them.
 
I had both the 5 and the 5s and the iPhone 6 and 6 plus are differently worth upgrading to. I recently bought a 6 on launch day and took it back to get the Blackberry passport.

Since then I also bought a gold 6 plus 64 for T Mobile. I thought I wouldn't like the bigger size, but after a couple of days it has grown on me.

The first thing I would suggest is to get a good case for it because naked its slippery. I put the Apple leather case on mine and it fits the bill quite nicely.

The iPhone 6 and 6+ are definitely worth the upgrade and a very nice product with excellent build quality and a fantastic screen.

A parting thought, the Blackberry passport is also a beautiful and well made device worth looking at for the business minded professional.
 
There's almost no reason to upgrade from the 5S. And there's quite a few reasons not to.

Maybe the 6S will be a worthwhile phone.
 
Oh no, from the business POV I completely agree. It's what I was marveling at. Business is always at odds with the consumer, their interests are at odds by definition. What's interesting is that apple has found a way to offer less and charge more. But what's jaw dropping baffling is that those same consumers DEFEND the business for providing less for more money. It's completely opposite from everything I was taught in my economics classes.

I went from a (subsidized) $399 iPhone 5 64GB to a $299 iPhone 6 64GB. Obviously not everyone decided to keep the same amount of storage, but if you did you paid the same or less than before... For a much better phone.

It's not a great value when you compare it to, say, a $349 (off-contract) OnePlus One, but the pricing model Apple is using is competitive with most flagships and tens of millions of consumers seem to be satisfied to pay the premium.

I think the aspect you're missing in your economic analysis is that you've isolated one aspect of the product (NAND capacity) that's not really too important, rather than evaluating the quality of the product as a whole. When analyzed as such, the iPhone 6 is very competitive.

My chief complaint with the 6 is pretty much the only aspect of the device that wasn't improved vs 5S: the 1GB of LPPDR3.
 
with this logic You should not buy anything, old cars are good, old close is perfect. i don't care personally, I am getting new iphone every year as well as ipad....:) i am selling old ones pretty good anyway on craiglist.
 
with this logic You should not buy anything, old cars are good, old close is perfect. i don't care personally, I am getting new iphone every year as well as ipad....:) i am selling old ones pretty good anyway on craiglist.

umm no (funny an ifan posting about logic) its a question of value. For more money you should get more product (hardware, software, features). Taking these things into consideration does not imply never buying anything new.
 
Your opinion.



Yay! I can finally get a decent sized screen for my monster hands! Thanks Apple.



Yay! I can finally get a phone with enough storage to cart around everything I don't want in the cloud. Thanks Apple.



Mine is going into a case. Like every other phone I've previously had. Don't like this model? Wait 2 years for a new design.



Yay! I can finally get a phone that will help keep MY money and purchases more secure and far easier. Thanks Apple.

Can't wait to upgrade! Of course that's just my opinion and I don't necessarily expect it to apply to everyone. For me however, it's the best upgrade yet (since my original 3G).

I totally agree with you. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about or just are beans :D
 
I don't care for the size of the iphone 6, and will stick with the 5s for now. I doubt that's anywhere near a majority opinion, but I hope the 5s continues to sell well enough that Apple will be encouraged to support that form factor.
 
I love how some people try to pull the "Apple made a phone that's WAY too big for the majority of consumers." BS. If I've said this once, I've said this a thousand times: Who in the hell are you to speak for everybody and try and say that the phone is too big? There are people on here who try to pull that crap with the 6 plus too. There are a lot of people who like the 6. There are a lot of people who prefer the 6+. Personally if Apple wouldn't have made a bigger iPhone, I would've went back to android and gotten a Note 4. IMO, a 4in phone is way too damn small. But again, that's my opinion. Having an opinion is fine but to try and speak for the masses, as if your point of view is the only one thats relevant? Not cool.
 
You only realise how small an iPhone 5 is after using a 6 plus for a couple of weeks! I wouldn't go back!

Exactly this. Everyone with a 6 Plus who still has their 5 but hasn't picked it up for a while should go do so right now. After adjusting to the 6 the 5 series phones feel like little Barbie phones.
 
Such irony contained here. One might suggest that you took your own advice? If you hate the 6 why come to a Mac fan site to bash it? Did you think you'd get a positive reaction?

Nonsense. Mac rumors has long been a site for critique (both positive and negative) of mac products. To say it's a fan site reveals your own bias and inability to adopt a critical attitude toward the product you support.
 
I don't find the need to chase down threads I disagree with to insult the speaker and the thread - I suggest you guys try to do the same.

If you can't make a contribution move along to a thread you can.

Oh, they are contributing. Just not what you hoped to hear.
 
Nonsense. Mac rumors has long been a site for critique (both positive and negative) of mac products. To say it's a fan site reveals your own bias and inability to adopt a critical attitude toward the product you support.

Not really. There's a significant difference between constructive criticism and ranting/smearing.
 
NO ONE takes this thread seriously....LOL. see you spew your opinion as fact and expect everyone to swallow it as gospel.

here is what me and MILLIONS! of others think:

the most beautiful design they have done. love the rounded edges and glass.

Love the increase in size(s) Both. I think the 4.7 is the perfect size.

NFC. the reason the US is indifferent is due to lack of support. Just like Apple did with iTunes and the music companies, they are poised to push the tech into the mainstream payment choice by bridging the gap between device and infrastructure. not even google has been able to get as many financial institutions on board with mobile payments. Apple has accomplished more lately in that regard than has been made ever.

Don't like the phone OK. don't buy it and shut your pie hole here about it.

Apparently you take it seriously enough to read, comment and end with an insult directed at me.

If you don't want to read my critique of the new iPhone then...don't? And unlike this shrill response I'm serious enough about what I write to articulate a reason for the conclusions I arrive at - disagree as you may.

I don't see your post listing why 16gigs for a base model is satisfactory nor listing the aesthetic merits of the form breaking cam or rubber banded metal form. Your "love 'x' love 'y'" statement is as shallow a premise as someone saying, "I love chocolate" therefore it's good. Justifications for critique are important and those that don't provide them and simply respond with fallacies like your appeal to the bandwagon pablum is simply trite.

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Not really. There's a significant difference between constructive criticism and ranting/smearing.

I agree there is a difference. One tries to justify itself and the other does not. Rants and smears appeal to emotion and distort the truth. None of the claims I've made do that. Feel free to correct me if the phone doesn't have the features/aesthetics I described. I've certainly already corrected myself for what was in error.

What is actually the case with most of the responders to this thread is that the smearing/ranting is directed towards me. A great many appeals to emotion and reactionary responses.

I've quoted a few that I believe are well reasoned and articulated but those are the minority - unfortunately.

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Nope, just how this forum is being overrun by:

- Trolls ("I hate Apple and their products designed for morons and idiots too stupid to figure out how they're paying too much for cheap, overhyped toys"),
- Negative Nellies ("I prefer to focus on what this capitalist company did wrong in building that product, rather than what they did right"),
- Chicken Littles ("This signals the beginning of the end for Apple"),
- Goldilocks ("too big, too small, too hot, too cold, too soft, too hard, too little RAM, too bendy when I sit on it, too thin, too late, too too too...")

Mostly (and this is easily tested), they're all newbies and members who've just joined or have been members for years and never post anything, but they all seem to crawl out from under their rocks (mostly) around product launch time to start conversations using the voice of one of the characters above. Evidently, according to you, noticing and calling attention to such behaviour makes *us* the problem (and, btw, you've been called out multiple times in this thread alone). That's truly rich.

However, if you're right and it's true we're the problem, it's beyond strange anyone would choose to hang out with snobs and holier-than-thous.

For what it's worth, this is a discussion forum for people who like Apple products, and it would behoove people to understand that walking into a room and declaring the products people like to discuss here to be crap isn't a good way to start a conversation. If someone truly doesn't understand how to discuss (positively or negatively, which is really about understanding how to be constructive), perhaps it's best to stay out of conversations altogether, unless, that is, it's not really one's intention to discuss but rather one's intention is simply to cause disruption in this forum.

If you think that's snobbery, well, I think it's obvious which character you've chosen to play here.

You have quite the articulated stance for your bigotry.

It's also quite ironic you would presume to give lessons on constructive criticism when your first post to a thread is simply an attack on the speaker.

This does a great job of dismissing the rest of your position.
 
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