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16 GB is a game changer... in 2007
No need to change the game or the pace of the game if you're the king already.

A throne is oh so comfortable until the next contender comes along.
Apple should know, they have overthrown a couple of former kings or challenged them to coexist at the very least.

They must think they are immune to being challenged.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
can basically expect this by now.

Also, my theory on why Apple keeps their "base" storage levels so low is so they can push cloud storage. The more you push it, the more customers use it = the more space they need = they run out of "free" room = they purchase more storage = $$$.

except upgrading your iCloud storage doesn't add storage to your device...which is why you get customers calling in completely confused because they purchased more iCloud storage and still have no room left on their iPhone
 
except upgrading your iCloud storage doesn't add storage to your device...which is why you get customers calling in completely confused because they purchased more iCloud storage and still have no room left on their iPhone

haha that's funny you bring that up... I had to explain to and teach 1/2 my family what cloud storage is on Christmas day on their new devices.

Also attempted to explain the concept of Spotify.

It was hilarious.
 
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It doesn't split things further. We already have to deal with 4", 4.7", and 5.5" - introducing another 4" phone is no big deal.

No, the thing that seems like a mistake to me is a lack of 3D Touch. The fewer phones that have 3D Touch, the less developers will bother taking advantage of it, the less reason there is for Apple to include 3D Touch on any phones at all.

If Apple wants 3D Touch to be a reason to go with iOS instead of Android, then it needs to be available on every iOS device, not just some of them.

Absolutely agree.

That being said, I haven't really used 3D touch at all since the first week I got my 6s. Maybe I'm too lazy to learn where it's been applied, but I haven't found it to be that great of a time saver in my "workflow".
 
I couldn't disagree more. I am an adult power user who works in the tech industry (and even develops apps). I usually buy at the high end, but am physically incapable of tapping the far side of the screen (let alone the top) of the iPhone 6/6s while holding it securely in the same hand -- something I do dozens of times per day with my 5s, and frequently have no choice but to do.

I've been anxiously awaiting a way to get more powerful hardware in a package small enough for me to use. When the rumors about this new phone first surfaced, I had been about to start researching what it would take to switch to Android.

Small screen and low-end are separate markets, and I hope Apple addresses them separately.
If you find a decent 4-4.5" Android phone, let me know. I tried to find one and couldn't. Thanks
 
I wonder if Apple is confounded by its own naming scheme (iPhone 5, 6, 7 . . .).

With the Mac they have established product lines they iterate on.

Yet to make a lower-specced iPhone 5s, they came out with a iPhone 5c.

And now to make a higher-specced iPhone 5s, they're coming out with an iPhone 6c.

The iPhone 5/s has the perfect design. It seems like they're trying to contort their ideas on what they want to sell into a new product name and then believe that new product must have a new design.

The MacBook Pro has looked essentially the same since 2008, when the unibody design came out. And they've regularly upgraded the specs without having an all new design or complicated numbering and lettering scheme.

I think the iPhone 5s is the absolute perfect design. I would love to see it improved with an even better display of the same size, OIS camera, faster processor, Apple Pay, and more RAM. I think it would be the perfect phone.
 
He he. I'm just stubborn cause I like my 5S, but your right, technically the 6C will be a better phone

Don't get me wrong, the 5S is a sexy phone. I kind of wish they'd go back to that design for the 7. I just thought you actually thought that the 5S would be just as good.

Plus, I do like to pretend I'm the smartest guy in the room.
 
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I thkink the whole 4" phone is a terrible idea. It will split up the device sizes even further for developers. It is clear that bigger screens are the future.

The developers don't have to bother with screen size anymore. Since iOS 6 has been Autolayout, and since iOS 8 has been size classes.
 
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16 GB is a game changer... in 2007

You probably don't understand that 16 GB is for the base unit, which will serve many customers just fine. For those that need more storage, Apple has options available.

It's like buying a new car. There's a base model, which will meet the needs of many. And there are extra cost options for those that need them.
 
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It doesn't split things further. We already have to deal with 4", 4.7", and 5.5" - introducing another 4" phone is no big deal.

No, the thing that seems like a mistake to me is a lack of 3D Touch. The fewer phones that have 3D Touch, the less developers will bother taking advantage of it, the less reason there is for Apple to include 3D Touch on any phones at all.

If Apple wants 3D Touch to be a reason to go with iOS instead of Android, then it needs to be available on every iOS device, not just some of them.
3D Touch is complicated to make, somewhat expensive, and needed by those who use their phones more like an iPad that had a phone inside. For me, I use my iPhone as a phone with the ability to do some tasks when nothing else is available. I use my MacBook and iPad when I want to really do anything important. Therefore, I can see why Apple may limit 3D touch to the larger screens. The larger screens bridge the gap between iPad and Mac's better. Will find out sometime in second quarter of 2016 it would seem.
 
I think they'll move to a two storage size model like the iPad Pro, e.g.:

iPhone 6c:
16GB: $599 64GB: $699

iPhone 7:
32GB: $699 128GB: $849

iPhone 7 Plus:
32GB: $799 128GB: $949

Also, people complaining about the base model starting at 16GB should wait until we know the actual prices... As long as higher storage tiers are offered (which is 99% likely), complaining about the 16GB model is equivalent to wishing it was $100 cheaper, which makes no sense until we know the price.

Agreed. I don't see a need developing in mass for a 256g iPhone. :apple:
 
This is not Android.

It's not meant to be cheap, it's meant to be small.

You think Android means cheap? No, Android does not mean cheap, it is iPhone is overpriced. It is Apple, everything Apple make is overpriced.

No need to change the game or the pace of the game if you're the king already.

A throne is oh so comfortable until the next contender comes along.
Apple should know, they have overthrown a couple of former kings or challenged them to coexist at the very least.

They must think they are immune to being challenged.

Glassed Silver:mac

If it is case, then Apple's downfall will be soon. When company think they are immune to change, they will stop work hard. If Apple really think nobody can challenge them, them they are in danger. Maybe not next few year, but eventually.

You probably don't understand that 16 GB is for the base unit, which will serve many customers just fine. For those that need more storage, Apple has options available.

It's like buying a new car. There's a base model, which will meet the needs of many. And there are extra cost options for those that need them.

No. The whole reason for Apple keep 16GB is push people go for 64GB version so Apple can keep their ridiculous high margin.
 
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Looks like I will have my iPhone 5s for some more time. Give me a top of the line 4 inch phone. I like the specs of the 6s ... but please in 4 inch. As soon as 3d touch is missing or a lower quality camera is used I can keep my 5S
 
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I wonder if Apple is confounded by its own naming scheme (iPhone 5, 6, 7 . . .).

With the Mac they have established product lines they iterate on.

Yet to make a lower-specced iPhone 5s, they came out with a iPhone 5c.

And now to make a higher-specced iPhone 5s, they're coming out with an iPhone 6c.

The iPhone 5/s has the perfect design. It seems like they're trying to contort their ideas on what they want to sell into a new product name and then believe that new product must have a new design.

The MacBook Pro has looked essentially the same since 2008, when the unibody design came out. And they've regularly upgraded the specs without having an all new design or complicated numbering and lettering scheme.

I think the iPhone 5s is the absolute perfect design. I would love to see it improved with an even better display of the same size, OIS camera, faster processor, Apple Pay, and more RAM. I think it would be the perfect phone.
It would definitely be interesting to see the Mac product development model applied to the iPhone line, but they're just so different markets.

Non-tech/design-savvy people are sensitive to visible styling changes and features in a product. That establishes a sense of newness in their minds, which in turn is a massive sales driver in the smartphone market, because people get bored easily and want new things. It urges people to upgrade, even though their current devices serve their purpose just fine (let's face it, none of us really need to upgrade a goddamn smartphone every year, especially an iPhone that receives annual software updates with new features).

The Mac (or PC) is generally viewed more as a tool, where design and styling plays a slightly different role. People tend to use their Macs longer and get new ones based primarily on need. I'm not saying the smartphone market shouldn't be like that (in fact, as an industrial designer, I think it should), but Apple's 2-year cycle using the same external iPhone design is already pushing against what most (if not everyone else) in the industry are doing. Making that redesign cycle longer might start to hurt sales, because mere mortals do not perceive the devices as new and fresh anymore.
 
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Ahah!

Then why are you here?

Take care with your "Apple is Doomed" prerogative. Last time, someone got fired because of that.

LOL...Fine fine. I get that you like being ripped off, that is good for you. I got my iPhone 6S for half price through work, that is hpw much I am willing to pay. If I have pay for myself, Nexus 6P or Moto X Pure. They both kick iPhone's butt.. LOL..

By the way, there is alternative section in this website, so MacRumor is not for Apple fans only...
 
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You think Android means cheap? No, Android does not mean cheap, it is iPhone is overpriced. It is Apple, everything Apple make is overpriced.
Apple products in general are just expensive. Overpriced means the price is set so high that people don't want to pay anymore – and judging by the pace of iPhone sales, that's not the case.

In Finland we have this saying: "The one who asks is not stupid, it's the one who pays."
 
How many more iPhone does Cook needs? I'm sure he wants more pink on the line up. SMH!
 
No. The whole reason for Apple keep 16GB is push people go for 64GB version so Apple can keep their ridiculous high margin.



Ridiculous to Whom? You?.... Not to them,,, It is good business and they excel in it. If you don't like the 16gb,, or think the 32Gb should be the new base... Tell the Billions of people to stop purchasing the 16Gb base... that would force the hand of Apple. It cost's them a quarter to raise the Flash Storage,,, Hahahahahah... They will NEVER abandon "Making Money" on this and why should they? What,, for the One percent of One percent that own Apple and moan about it here on Mac Rumors? Yikes!
 
Not everyone is a power user or needs all the latest tech (3d touch) for the 6c to be success. Personally, I had an opportunity this month to switch carriers and get a limited time offer of a lifetime $40.00 a month credit off my service bundle with them as well as an extra gig of data (when I get my new 6c) over and above what I had before. Unfortunately, my iPhone 5 didn't work with their network. I switched anyway. I then picked up a $100.00 flip phone (my new carrier paid a $75 credit toward that purchase price) and I'm patiently waiting for the 6c.

I will be getting the 16 gb version as I take few pictures and have no music on my phone and only a few essential apps and a couple of games. As long as it has the A9 chip I'll be happy. I don't need or want a larger screen. As someone else said I just want a reliable phone that can do a few extra things. There are many people like me. I have an iPad and iMac for the rest.

I don't stand in line for anything but I do wait for what I want. I waited 4 months for my last 2 cars so I could get the paint colour and options I wanted. I will wait 4 months for Apple to release the 6c and I'll be first in line to buy it. In the meantime I'll put up with the stupid flip phone because after that $40 discount and basic cellular plan I'm on till the 6c arrives it's only costing me a $1.00 a month for my cellular service. The $460.00 I'm saving over those 4 months will almost be enough to pay for the new 6c.

Count me in as a happy camper.
 
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