Seems like mostly denial. Denial of a documented proof. Denial about apples top notch ability to create a superior product. Denial that Apple has in fact movers the goal posts in offshore manufacturing conditions. Denial that Samsung has been accused of human rights violations and that they use Foxconn themselves. Denial is not just a river in Egypt as they say.
I gave good arguments against what he said and i gave proof that he's talking nonsense about the flickering thing on the Super AMOLED screens for example.
The alignment issue is nonsense? That you don't recognize Foxconn also works for Samsung is what?
The alignments (PWM) is not an issue on Super AMOLED screens because the normal eyes don't see that. It's only some video cameras that are able to see it. So my points stands. He made it to look like the Super AMOLED screen was flickering for everybody and was visible for us, while it's not.
You're splitting hairs, either there is misalignment or not. Either Samsung uses Foxconn or not. Apple has stepped up to the plate, has Samsung?
Again, you are talking about something that doesn't matter for the users. Come back when you actually have something to report on that affects the users in real life.
I'm not denying that the Galaxy Note7 have some issues that needs to be fixed. But this might be a very rare case where that have happened where it might not matter at all for the users. Yes, in the exact same way as it's most likely a rare case when an iPhone just catches fire or explodes sometimes to according to the iPhone fans.
You brought up the point about working conditions and now who is deflecting.?
Yes, i took up the working conditions as Apple is the biggest contractor to Foxconn. As they are the one who uses them most, then Apple have the biggest responsibility to make sure that the workers who works for Apple is having a good working conditions and not getting paid as slaves.
From what more detailed reports have been coming out, it looks like the two reported cases, the phones were reportedly being charged with cheap USB cables at the time they exploded.
It seems to me you are assuming. Samsung has a responsibility also, where are they. Seems this'll is going round the proverbial circle beating the proverbial horse.
The point is still that Apple have the most reponsibility because of the amount of workers they are using from Foxconn. And as i have proven several times already, Apple does little to nothing to improve the situation at Foxconn, because they cares more about the profits, which again is what i'm talking about.
Apple, it seems, did what they could and may be doing more things you don't know about. Stop making them solely responsible for the worlds ills.
We've obviously beat a dead horse...
And doesn't look like we've gotten anywhere.
You are still holding onto your opinions and personal findings... I'll leave it at that. Not a big deal.
But as I promised in the prev quote, here's some proof that Amoled is not all that.
I took the time to take some pics of a new s7 and note7 when I was at Costco and here they are, labeled.
I call the issue "pixel hang"... The printing industry will call it "miss-registration".
Pls look at them with an open mind. And let me know if you can see/understand what I'm referring to.
The Google search bar I always refer to:
Look at the pixel hang/miss-registration
Pictures taken with my iPhone with a macro lens...
Do you see the pixel hang/ miss-registration?
This pixel hang is apparent on ALL hard edges, on ALL displays using the "sub-pixel". Pentile or Diamond pattern amoleds BOTH have it because of the SUBPIXEL.
Below is an example of "colour registration" they in talking about.
Then, here's the iPhone's regular Rgb IPS lcd close-up... Notice NO pixel hang/miss-registration.
Because the ips lcd displays DONT use the SUBPIXEL arrangement, there's NO pixel hang... Here's the same pic zoomed in: absolutely sharp, great looking edges.
Next photo is of the LG G4's IPS display.
As you can see in the Amoled screen close ups, the pixel hang is very apparent.
Without the macro lens, you can still see it. I can see it, can you? You have an S6 - look at the hard edges, and you will see what Samsung has been feeding people.
Now pls keep in mind, I know that Amoled screens have advantages like HDR capability because of its high contrast/Colour gamut, infinite blacks, etc
But this is a disadvantage I cannot overlook. I've always noticed it since the Gs3 and Gs5,6,7 have gotten better because of the higher res... But still noticeable. Sorry to burst your bubble... This will not work for VR: having the screen 2" from your eyes.
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I hope that when the Amoled screen is implemented into the iPhone, they find a way to NOT use a SUBPIXEL design.
Anyways,
Displaymate does have good reviews, measurements, and factual figures- yes, BUT This is an important issue (plus screen flicker) that Displaymate has forgotten to note in their reviews, therefore, their conclusion may not be accurate.
That very same manufacturer is making the display for the iPhone 8.Good luckI know that you trust your sources and believe my sources to be exaggerations and shills... We already went through that. I've accepted it.
I removed all of the pictures so the quote doesn't get so big.
I'm glad you see it too... Now that you see it, you can't un-see it, and I apologize for that. I once loved my Bose audio system too... Until someone showed me what a real system should sound like.
As for "microscope" comment, you can blatantly see it even NOT using any macro lens:
This pic is NOT taken with macro lens. Look at the Google search bar. It simply looks out of focus.
Is it hard to see... And , most ppl won't notice... But aren't displaymate "experts" and we- self proclaimed pros and Connoisseur
Of the So called Best Screen On the market?
Even my iPhone camera can see it!
And as for the "demo model" ... It's a Note7. How long you think that has been on display for? The subpixel miss-registration DOESNT get worse with time. It is an inherent problem with the base design: subpixel (diamond or whatever pattern) is flawed. I'm sorry, pls stop making excuses for Samsung and rationalizing.
I know it's not an issue for displaymate... They are wrong. Thanks, I know I'm entitled to my opinions too.
But really, this just illustrates that amoled "high pixel count" is just SPEC garbage that because it uses a Subpixel arrangement, the sharpness is mitigated and you get a blurry , mess: ESPECIALLY in VR situations.
This subpixel Cheat (yes, the amoled screens' advertised pixel count is a lie) is not what displaymate claims as BEST. Does this look like "best" sharpness to you???
And in my eyes, you represent a real world sheep that is herded by Google's 80% android sheep-share.
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You know, I was willing to stop beating a dead horse.........
I will NEVER contest that the working conditions at Foxconn-pegatron or MOST of the other gigantic factories in China are horrible, unconstitutional, unliveable, and the workers are grossly underpaid.
and Apple cares about profits... BUT I stand by my point that APPLE DOES "lift a finger"(refer to nyt article) to at least TRY to fix and control those issues by mandating their suppliers abide by their human rights rules.
I hope you do know that Foxconn and their sister company Pegatron are NOT owned by Apple and NO, Apple doesn't pay the workers at Foxx/Pegatron directly. But your tone really proves that you are misunderstanding the situation there. We can go deeper if you like... But question is, HOW do you know and do you have PROOF that Samsung or Microsoft (which uses Foxx/Pegatron too) are "PAYING" those employees LESS? Hello?
Here's the thing, everything is relative *** nothing is perfect, but we can compare things, products to get a greater Perspective.
-the 10month old iPhone 6s is FASTER in real world performance than a brand new Samsung flagship.
-Sapphire is stronger than Plastic. Fact
-iOS has vulnerabilities BUT get fixed and patched - and EVERYONE gets the patches.Yet Android hacks are indeed InTHEwild. proven in the millions, and a small percentage only get the patches.
-iPhone screens may be less saturated, less bright, less contrast, but are proven to be reliable and supersharp... Which many still prefer over the Flickering, less durable, miss-registered-hang mess that is the Subpixel Amoled.
-AND FINALLY, while Apple has many issues regarding human rights in China, and are TRYING to work things out (with their VENDORS-contractors) like the OVERTIME/underpaid story you've sent me...
It is STILL better in comparison to what Samsung is doing with THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES (not Vendor-contractors) and then trying to BRIBE the deceased employee's father to keep quiet and out of the press (just one of the many cases).
You see a difference? Hello? Mcfly?
You see, both are bad... But one is about OVERTIME and not paid enough and the other is about denying sick employee claims and then Bribing! Wtf--- hate toward Samsung is warranted.
Yet, you're just mad that Apple is making lots of $$ and knows how to negotiate as a business.
And then you're trying to tell me to change my mind because Samsung makes Way more products like Skyscrapers and Warships and what? tvs microwaves dishwashers and washers (that catch fire,btw)?
Let me ask you... How much do you think Samsung made in profits building ships ??? I'll tell you: under $1B. Yawn... Who cares... Google makes war robots with Boston Dynamics amd it's just a sham to cover up the fact that they only make $ by datamining and leeching off suckers that freely fork over their info/privacy to save $few $ on their smartphones- wake up man.
Here. Read this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c01f82-1dd0-4e52-aa52-63ccac3900d1_story.html
And STILL AN ISSUE TODAY:
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2016/08/10/88504582/
"
“The social mood is changing in Korea, and I think Samsung sensed that,” said Kim Sang-jo, an economist at Hansung University who specializes in the conglomerate. “The [rare diseases] had become a symbolic problem for Samsung. It was starting to be seen as a very arrogant and stubborn company.”
Concern about Samsung’s factory conditions first surfaced seven years ago, when two former employees who had worked side by side, Hwang Yu-mi and Lee Suk-yeong, died of leukemia within months of each other. Hwang was 23, and her father, a taxi driver, felt the deaths couldn’t be a coincidence.
In the years since, about 200 other people have claimed sicknesses from Samsung production lines, mostly from the Giheung plant 20 miles south of Seoul, which manufactures semiconductors and liquid crystal displays."
Ok, again, under your logic, these or people, making lcd displays are probably making them for Apple because Apple uses LCD... So they SHOULD BE SUING APPLE and not their employer Samsung,,, just like how Foxconn employee issues are APPles responsibility too!!! Wow Eh? Relative and perspective. Thank you.
This is getting a little long in the tooth... I'll make it short.
I'm sorry to hear your about your uncle's situation. I hope he got compensation. I hate to use him as an example, but I do hope he got compensation... Yes, **** happens. Yes. But problem is, what Samsung did to their own employees is like your uncle getting DENIED compensation. Furthermore, they'd treat their employees with disrespect and shaming them for trying to get compensation and BULLY/BRIBE them to keep quiet. Think how many cases has been bribed and kept quiet??? And this is only from 1 plant. Read the articles again. Proof. Not assumptions without links/proof and just going by your biased knowledge. For example, how do you know Foxconn's biggest customer is Apple? And if they are, what percentage are they and who is the runner up I'm using their services??? Links pls, just like I give you links to my proofs (that you negate anyways, but that's a different topic).again, links pls.
And again, Apple is "lifting a finger" to change the human rights issues there... Didn't you say that they weren't? You can acknowledged it at least. Just like you acknowledged my proof on the Pixel hang. Which btw, I along with many- value sharp screens and can see the pixel hang like a sore thumb. It's there and how do you know there's no complaints?
Oh, I'm still waiting for your response on the differences between the Apple/Foxconn human rights vs Samsung and how they are denying their own employees sick compensation (compare that to what your uncle went thru)
Pls answer:
AND FINALLY, while Apple has many issues regarding human rights in China, and are TRYING to work things out (with their VENDORS-contractors) like the OVERTIME/underpaid story you've sent me...
It is STILL better in comparison to what Samsung is doing with THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES (not Vendor-contractors) and then trying to BRIBE the deceased employee's father to keep quiet and out of the press (just one of the many cases).
You see a difference? Hello? Mcfly?
You see, both are bad... But one is about OVERTIME and not paid enough and the other is about denying sick employee claims and then Bribing! Wtf--- hate toward Samsung is warranted.
Yet, you're just mad that Apple is making lots of $$ and knows how to negotiate as a business.
Please note and reply.
Then...
Let me prove it by proving the Flicker issue with many ppl since the Note4 has complained. You are familiar with the XDA Developers forum: very smart ppl that help each other with complex issues/ tech knowledge etc. You know them very well.
Here is proof
And btw, I already told you that I was the one that posted PWM meaning and what it does ORIGINALLY in an earlier post. Need me to cut and paste?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/screen-flicker-pwm-t2905778/page1
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Originally Posted by Magnesus
Don't worry about it. It's not posibble to see it, people are just paranoid. Video will always show flickering because of how recording works, just ignore it. Your eyes are not a video camera.
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why such is no in other smartphone? bacause in samsung pwm brightness damped to zero and is returned back 240 times per second. this is not normal I have already written it many times. how do you read the topic?
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of course, eyes don't see it, but such damping is harmful (wrote above), even in the review its written .
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When there is a total damping to zero it is harmful to the eyes. In the long reading on the average and low brightness appears eye fatigue. Over time can be reduced eyesight. Perhaps there is an impact on the brain and psyche.
Originally Posted by noterio
To anyone saying it's impossible to see the screen flicker, if I can see it with my eyes will you pay me the $750? Why write things when you don't know what you're talking about? It's like if I insist that nobody could jump high enough to dunk a basketball. Maybe you can't, but plenty of people can.
Unfortunately I can also see my Note 4's PWM at work. It is most visible in the dark, and it often plays havoc with the framerate of movies. To those of you saying this is an aberration that can only be seen in videos, you should consider that this also applies in reverse—to videos displayed on the screen. As a test, play a feature film and skip to the end. Watch the white credit text scroll on a black background and see if you notice it. Then flip your phone around, point it at a surface, and watch what happens with the ambient light. It's noticeable. If your eyes are sensitive enough you will be painfully aware of this any time the camera slowly pans across a scene. At 240hz the flickering rate may seem to you to be "too fast to see" but the bigger problem at hand is not the speed, it's the magnitude. This screen drops the brightness in every cycle significantly enough to be noticed. The fact that this is visible even at 100% brightness (where PWM shouldn't be used at all) speaks to an engineering oversight. My hope is that this is something that can be tempered by a software update or tweak. Even still, I'm genuinely considering returning my Note 4 because of it. What's the point of this gorgeous display if it makes watching media on it sickening?
Btw,
I specifically chose a small group of the above posters: they are a good sample group that matches you and your buddies.
And before you say that your personal anecdotes are factual because it is what you see... Over here, in this forum, you are no different than that of a guy on the net. Just like the above posters on XDA.
HELLO
Also, you can keep up your negative approach to the conversation all you like... I'm only doing this and continuing to reply just solely to demonstrate how android lovers arguments are: baseless, naive, opinions. And you know what they say about opinions eh? They are just like ar$eholes...Everybody's got one
I don't care who you trust or not. None of my business. I know where I spend my money, and that is on what I believe is best, not what someone else says.
And if you ask a poor kid in South Africa he will say a Lumia 520 has the best display ever in his opinion.What matters is not opinions but lab tests.DisplayMate>Opinions
The reason has nothing to do who produces the best display and you still don't know what they are manufacturing and if any other fab is involved. They also chose TMSC for a reason.
There have been posts upon posts on this subject about the efficacy of displaymate. It's not different than COTY in road and track.
