iPhone 6s Bests Samsung's New Galaxy Note 7 in App Speed Test

[Tom-Helge]

You can prove that Pi is a transcendental number or 1+1 = 2, you cannot prove something looks better. (That you completely ignored my analogy says to me you have no counter) That is subjective. You can have a poll on what looks better but that is not proof.

The fact is your only argument is website xyz makes the opinion it is so. They cannot prove it, as you say.

You are still arguing with your opinion while i argue with proven screen calibration research / facts behind my claim.

You can't just say something and believe anyone will believe you without any evidences. It's that simple.

 

[I7guy]

You are still arguing with your opinion while i argue with proven screen calibration research / facts behind my claim.

You can't just say something and believe anyone will believe you without any evidences. It's that simple.

A test is fact, a measurement is a fact. A conclusion an opinion. We are going round in circles because this simple concept is not understood.

 

[Tom-Helge]

A test is fact, a measurement is a fact. A conclusion an opinion. We are going round in circles because this simple concept is not understood.

So you are saying there are no measurements in DisplayMates article about the Galaxy Note7's screen then?

Ok, what about the test DisplayMate have done with the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus here: http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone6_ShootOut.htm

There is says this: The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are the current Best Mobile LCD Displays.

That's their conclusion about the test they did with those iPhones. But according to you, that's not a fact. It's just a lie, right?

If you look at the measurements they get with the iPhone 6's and the Galaxy Note7, you will see that the Galaxy Note7 flat out destroys the iPhone 6's in everything that is about the screens.

You will see by those comparsions / measurements that the conclusion DisplayMate have to the Galaxy Note7 is in fact the absolute truth.

You are just mad and have to use excuses to try to make the iPhone's screen to sounds better.

 

[I7guy]

So you are saying there are no measurements in DisplayMates article about the Galaxy Note7's screen then?

Ok, what about the test DisplayMate have done with the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus here: http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone6_ShootOut.htm

There is says this: The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are the current Best Mobile LCD Displays.

That's their conclusion about the test they did with those iPhones. But according to you, that's not a fact. It's just a lie, right?

Lol, you called it a lie, I called it what it was. An opinion, which is subjective by nature. You cannot prove something that has an inherently subjective conclusion based on a subjective list of facts that went into the conclusion.

 

[Tom-Helge]

Lol, you called it a lie, I called it what it was. An opinion, which is subjective by nature. You cannot prove something inherently subjective.

So you are saying that the IPS LCD screen on the iPhone 6 and 6S series phones is not the best IPS LCD screens as they say they have, because it's just an opinion from Displaymate and not a proven conclusions / fact by their measurements?

Ok, then i can just say that their conclusion about the iPhone 6 and 6S series screens are completely false then, because it's just their opinion and not the conclusion or fact stated from their measurements, right?

 

[I7guy]

So you are saying that the IPS LCD screen on the iPhone 6 and 6S series phones are just an opinion from Displaymate and not a proven fact by their measurements?

Ok, then i can just say that their conclusion about the iPhone 6 and 6S series are completely false then, because it's just their opinion and not the facts stated from their measurements, right?

There's a bit of deflection in your response as imo, you are missing the point. Their subjective conclusion is still based on their interpretation of their facts; which makes it subjective. No different than Zagat.

 

[Tom-Helge]

There's a bit of deflection in your response as imo, you are missing the point. Their subjective conclusion is still based on their interpretation of their facts; which makes it subjective. No different than Zagat.

But the measurements still shows that their conclusions is true though. So why make so much fuzz about it?

All you need to do is to look at the measurements they have done and then look at what their conclusions is. Then you will see that the screen on the Galaxy Note7 obliterates the iPhone 6S / 6S Plus's screen. Nothing more is needed to say.

So, do you agree on that by looking at the measurements?

 

[Michael Goff]

I have a feeling the Note7 have got the same RAM management issue as the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 edge had in the beginning all over it again.

The Galaxy S7 edge with the Exynos CPU is waaaay way faster than the Galaxy Note7 with the Exynos CPU. Even when the Exynos CPU in the Galaxy S7 edge is much older.

It's obvious that the Galaxy Note7 have issues and needs a new kernel or need to get the RAM management fixed.


LOL, if that's not proof, then tell me exactly what a proof is then?

The fact that DisplayMate haven't been disproved yet, tells me and many others that what Displaymate are saying, is true.

You are free to counter my argument here with evidences that shows that both DisplayMate and i'm wrong.

Good luck.

Both the S7 Edge and the Note 7 use the Exynos 8890.

 

[jujufreeze]

Even though Apple is way behind the curve on updating their computers I applaud them for the A9 processor- significantly better than the competition.

 

[Tom-Helge]

Both the S7 Edge and the Note 7 use the Exynos 8890.

Yeah, you are correct. But then the the speed difference is even more strange between the Galaxy Note7 and the Galaxy S7 edge as they use the same CPU and such.

 

[admob71]

A test is fact, a measurement is a fact. A conclusion an opinion. We are going round in circles because this simple concept is not understood.

Didn't you say displaymate diagnostic results when testing the note 7 screen were merely his opinion? I'm pretty sure you did mate..
Trying to have it both ways now are we?

Was it just an opinion when he praised the ipad pro screen using diagnostic equipment as well. Or was it hard facts that time lol

Peace out brother..

 

[I7guy]

Didn't you say displaymate diagnostic results when testing the note 7 screen were merely his opinion? I'm pretty sure you did mate..
Trying to have it both ways now are we?

Was it just an opinion when he praised the ipad pro screen using diagnostic equipment as well. Or was it hard facts that time lol

Peace out brother..

No sir, that is not what I said. I said the conclusion was an opinion.

Have a great day mate!

 

[Tom-Helge]

No sir, that is not what I said. I said the conclusion was an opinion.

Have a great day mate!

But if DisplayMate says the Galaxy Note7 have the best screen ever on a smartphone based on their measurements in their conclusion, then that is a fact based on the measurements. Because if the measurements says so and if they say the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is best because of that, then that's the fact. I see no reasons that they wouldn't tell the truth in their conclusions this way.

 

[I7guy]

But the measurements still shows that their conclusions is true though. So why make so much fuzz about it?

All you need to do is to look at the measurements they have done and then look at what their conclusions is. Then you will see that the screen on the Galaxy Note7 obliterates the iPhone 6S / 6S Plus's screen. Nothing more is needed to say.

So, do you agree on that by looking at the measurements?

I don't disagree with the measurements or even the conclusion. The conclusion though is subjective, is the point. It is not proof as you say. The subjective conclusion supports their interpretation of their facts. That's all I'm saying. And I may like something better because I have an opinion as well. I've cited several examples where "facts" can support a subjective conclusion.
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But if DisplayMate says the Galaxy Note7 have the best screen ever on a smartphone based on their measurements in their conclusion, then that is a fact based on the measurements. Because if the measurements says so and if they say the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is best because of that, then that's the fact. I see no reasons that they wouldn't tell the truth in their conclusions this way.

I wish I could find the picture of the proverbial horse; as the thread went from speed tests to displaymate. Can't say that is unheard of.

 

[Tom-Helge]

I don't disagree with the measurements or even the conclusion. The conclusion though is subjective, is the point. It is not proof as you say. The subjective conclusion supports their interpretation of their facts. That's all I'm saying. And I may like something better because I have an opinion as well. I've cited several examples where "facts" can support a subjective conclusion.

Well, who cares about that?

The whole point is that the test shows that their conclusion is based on hard facts from their measurements. So why make so much fuzz about 'conclusions not being facts' when it's the whole tests with the measurements that tells the whole story?

The test with the measurements is what matters that shows that MY arguments on the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is all true.

 

[I7guy]

Well, who cares about that?

The whole point is that the test shows that their conclusion is based on hard facts from their measurements. So why make so much fuzz about 'conclusions not being facts' when it's the whole tests with the measurements that tells the whole story?

The test with the measurements is what matters that shows that MY arguments on the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is all true.

Obviously some care very much about this. Like the speed test, who care if the 6s is faster? Or slower? Your argument is "they proved it". Which is incorrect.

 

[Tom-Helge]

Obviously some care very much about this. Like the speed test, who care if the 6s is faster? Or slower? Your argument is "they proved it". Which is incorrect.

My point is still fact based on the measurements DisplayMate has done of the Galaxy Note7 screen. My point is also based on the comparsion with the measurements the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (iPhone 6S and 6S Plus use the exact same screen) have that DisplayMate also have done.

So when you look at the measurements, you will see that the IPS LCD screens on the mentioned iPhones over doesn't even comes close to the Super AMOLED screen that is in the Galaxy Note7. That's the whole point.

TLDR: I say that the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is way way better than the screen on the iPhone 6, 6 Plus and 6S and 6S Plus based on facts / measurements.

You are trying to make it so it's not true by putting in conclusions that you means are opinions against facts decided by measurements done by DisplayMate.

So i'm correct about the screens on those phone while you are trying to make it to not be true.

 

[Savor]

Chris Nacca's Nexus 5 Gestures Setup

^ Mine is actually better than his since I keep All In One Gestures transparent. Been using this style since 2013. So iPhone 6s can win opening multiple apps in succession. It won't beat my Androids with only a one-page homescreen with several gesture swipes especially my swipe up for Screen Off & Lock (Z-Swipe animation).

Note7 won't also lose with their Smart Switch or having to open iTunes to recognize media internally or micro-sd card the moment it connects to a computer. It won't deal with iCloud that continues to ask for our Apple ID. I don't need to keep pressing that lame physical home button which is another planned obsolescence component from Apple just to exit an app since it lacks a back button.

Gesture swipes. 0.5x animations in Developer Option. Nova Prime animation set to FAST. Greenify, KingRoot, and Disable Services. Done. Android v iOS is like racing cars between manual or automatic. Stick shift wins if you know when you hit your gears. Again, the most powerful component comes from the user's mind and perfectionist taste.

iOS' imbecile cord to waste more time...

 

[Pamela5]

So basically what your saying Samsung should just replace TouchWizz with stock android in the Note 7? wouldn't that make Note 7 useless? Nougat has just release Split-screen! wow that's impressive! But TouchWizz had it for years! and what about picture-in-picture?

Bloatware? can you please mention one in the Note 7? or I we still talking about the old days when Samsung sucked in OS department?

Knox is a major one that consists of several components. The note 5 had so many processes running it was ridiculous. Stock Android on the note with the add on for the touch pen, and a Samsung app that allows the user to choose what they do and do not want installed from Samsung would be ideal. Many note (and phone users in general) don't even use splitscreen or picture in picture. Bottom line, Let the user decide what they want on their phone.

 

[newby11]

I have a feeling the Note7 have got the same RAM management issue as the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 edge had in the beginning all over it again.

The Galaxy S7 edge with the Exynos CPU is waaaay way faster than the Galaxy Note7 with the Exynos CPU. Even when the Exynos CPU in the Galaxy S7 edge is much older.

It's obvious that the Galaxy Note7 have issues and needs a new kernel or need to get the RAM management fixed.


LOL, if that's not proof, then tell me exactly what a proof is then?

The fact that DisplayMate haven't been disproved yet, tells me and many others that what Displaymate are saying, is true.

You are free to counter my argument here with evidences that shows that both DisplayMate and i'm wrong.

Good luck.

Hey again...

Nope. Like i have said, the culprint is the kernel that controls the CPU or it's a RAM management issue that make the phone to take longer time to load apps. Because on my Galaxy S6 edge+ with the custom ROM that uses the Grace UX is buttery smooth and lightning fast. There is no reasons an Exynos 7420 CPU should be faster at loading apps over an Exynos 8890 CPU,


Again, i have proofs on my side that shows that the Galaxy Note7 is slow because of the Snapdragon 820 CPU. Look at this video that shows that the Galaxy S7 with the Snapdragon 820 CPU uses 2 minutes and 41 seconds to do it's job the Galaxy S7 with the Exynos CPU used only 2 minutes and 3 seconds to finish:

Now look at this video again to see that the Galaxy S7 edge with the Exynos CPU isn't only 14 seconds slower than the iPhone 6S Plus, but it's only 10 seconds slower than the iPhone 6S Plus:

And lastly, have a look at this video that shows that the Galaxy Note7 with the Snapdragon 820 CPU uses about the same time to finish it's app loading test as the Galaxy S7 with the Snapdragon 820 CPU used:

The Exynos version of the Galaxy Note7 will be as fast as the Galaxy S7 edge version with the Exynos CPU which again is about 10 seconds slower than the iPhone 6S Plus.

Yeah, soneone calls it gimmicky. I call it neat features that takes advantages of the hardware the phones comes with.

But then, pretty much everyone who have done reviews of the iPhone 6S / 6S Plus says the 3D Touch is a gimmick aswell. So it's not only Samsung's phones that have gimmicks.


Don't forget that Samsung's phones since the Galaxy S4 uses something called 'Diamond Pixel Pentile' which is not the same as the old 'PenTile Matrix' you are refering to.


DisplayMate have proven it times after times that nothing comes close to the Super AMOLED screens Samsung uses in their phones. And lately they have also proven that the screen on the Galaxy Note7 is unbeatable. Here is the proof: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htm

So i have the proof while you have nothing except for your opinion. Who should i listen to?

You with your opinion or someone who are experts in screen calibrations for the professional market?


The camera on the Huawei P9 is good, but it's not as good as the camera on the Galaxy S7 edge or Galaxy Note7.

Here is another proof of that: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Edge-Mobile-Review-A-new-champion . Here you can see that the Galaxy S7 edge is on top with 88 in score while the Huawei P9 have 80 in score as shown here: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Huawei-P9-vs.-P8-Mobile-review-Good-improvement-for-the-latest-device

Heck, even the Galaxy S6 edge+ that i have is at 87 in score: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sams...bile-review-Bigger-and-better-for-photography


When i had the Galaxy Note 4 earlier, i regulary used the S Pen. But i wasn't using the S Pen alot though. But it's still a very nice thing to have from time to time for those who uses the Galaxy phones for productivity and that. For that the S Pen is a gift from god, almost.


Why are you taking in manufacturing issues into this?

Did the Galaxy S7 / S7 edge had this issue?

No, then why should the Galaxy Note7 have that issue then?

Not only that, but Samsung admitted it was a defect from them and would fix that issue right away. And everyone who was affected by that will get a new phone from them. So Samsung did everything correctly here by addressing the issue.


The battery life on the Galaxy Note7 is quite alot better than the OnePlus 3. Here is the battery life for the Galaxy Note7 with the Exynos CPU: http://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/rev...eview/battery/-728/samsung-galaxy-note7-2.jpg

And here is the battery life for the OnePlus 3: http://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/16/oneplus-3/battery/-728/gsmarena_001.jpg

And you are not paying the double of the OnePlus 3 just for the battery alone. I did point out those 12 things in my earlier post on why the price on the Galaxy Note7 can be defended.


According to all reviews that has been done of the Galaxy Note7, everyone says the Iris scanner on the Galaxy Note7 works incredible good to be the first of it's kind on a smartphone. And i have seen test of the Iris scanner where it have scanned the eyes of a person with sunglasses on.

But yeah, as this is the first of it's kind, there will always be issues with it. But still, it works good for what it is now.


Samsung have had it all since the Note 2 came out. Android is only 4-5 years after Samsung here. And, as pretty much no one have Nougat yet, the Multiwindow functionality is still an advantage on the Samsung phones that have it as everyone can get that right now.

This will be an advantage until more and more phones will start to get Android 7.0 Nougat.


So just because i point out a fact that the theme support on Samsung phones, specially the new ones with Grace UX have a really great theme engine where you can change the theme and then on top of that change the icon pack on the theme, i work for Samsung just because i pointed that out?

You should try out Grace UX before you will understand how great the theme engine is and how many themes there are out there for the Samsung phones.


But i know. Look here: http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_3-7995.php

No aptX support for the OnePlus 3 according to that while there is aptX support for the Galaxy Note7 as you can see here: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note7-8082.php


Well, if you don't believe the facts here: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htm , then what makes you believe it then?

The fact is that you need to have an insane high amount of brightness before you can be able to show HDR videos as the Galaxy Note7 can. No other phones even comes close (except for Samsung's own phones) to the brightness the Galaxy Note7 have. The Galaxy Note7 have the insane '1048 cd/m2 (nits)' while the iPhone 6S Plus have the poor '566 cd/m2 (nits) in brightness which is half of what the Galaxy Note7 have.


Apple is better to get security fixes out to all of it's phones WHEN they release a security fix. But Apple is not fastest or best on fixing security holes at a regular basis as Samsung is faster with that as Samsung have guaranteed security fixes every months. Because fixing security holes will never stop. So because of that, Samsung is both better and faster by giving out timely security fixes to it's phones that get those security fixes.


To the first thing about Kaspersky. Don't you think Kaspersky are trying to scare the normal users and get them to buy their software on their phones by doing the scaremongering towards the users to gain more money from dumb peoples who will buy their software that wont help in any ways on Android?

And as for the first link. An app like that barely affect anyone before an app like that gets nuked by Google. The second link is from China which uses tons of other 3rd party app stores for Android. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the issue is. As China doesn't use the official Google Play Store, they are not included in the security of Android with the Play Store installed. And what is 10 million out of how many peoples in total that are using Android in China?

That's nothing.

As for the third link. Whoa there bud. Over 100 apps that are infected with malwares. That's nothing compared to the 4000+ apps that was infected with malwares in iOS's App Store: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362 and: http://www.darknet.org.uk/2015/09/xcodeghost-ios-trojan-infected-over-4000-apps/

And lastly, for the 4th link. Yes, as you have written there, only one webpage was affected by that and very few peoples was affected by that webpage. So nothing to worry about. So move on.

All of those posts are nothing more than scaremongering from the media. For peoples who lives with Android everyday and are more technically into Android or are an advanced user like me, knows the real story behind the malware scaremongering from the media.

Android as it is out of the box with Play Store installed is extremely safe to use. It's even safer than iOS in some areas to.


It's still a manufacturing problem that was fixed. That's not the same as having tons of scratches on the screen after you have started to use it. I don't know about anyone with a Galaxy S6 series, Galaxy S7 series phones or even the Galaxy Note 4 and the Note 5 that have any scratches on their screens.

Does scratches happens?

Ofc, but it's so rarely that it's not an issue or nothing to worry about. What about the iPhones that have scratches to?: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-6s-plus-screen-scratches.1924135/ and: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/3vqx0l/iphone_6s_has_about_a_dozen_scratches_how_is_this/

I'll guess that's not an issue, because it's Apple and they are the best, right?


The point here that you don't seems to grasp is that Samsung fixed it, which is the whole point. How long time did it take Apple to fix the Antennagate issue after that was discovered after the iPhone 4 was released?

Apple didn't bother to fix it before the iPhone 4S came out 1 year later.

4 months is heck of alot better time than 1 year.


Good. It just shows how good battery life Samsung's phones have. My Galaxy S6 edge+ only have a 3000 mAh battery to which is 600 mAh lower than the Galaxy S7 edge.


Again, i'm not denying it that scratches happens on the home button. Damnit, learn to read what i write.

What i'm saying is that the issue you are exaggerating overboard like crazy is NOT an issue for most peoples. It's rare to come over someone who have scratched the home button when you take into consideration on how many Galaxy S6 series phones Samsung have sold. Yeah, soneone is reporting about the issue some few peoples have. That doesn't mean it's actually an issue. It just means someone are reporting that some few souls have that issue.

Do you see the difference here?


I'm afraid you didn't. If you did, it must have been a poor excuse.


No, you are not making sense in what i'm talking about. I know most users doesn't root their phones and installs custom ROMs. But that's not the freaking point here. The point is that no matter how much stuffs from the ROM i removed, the phone was as fast with none of the stuffs removed as the phone was with the stuffs removed.

I just pointed out that removing much of what you guys calls for bloatware doesn't make a difference on the speed on the phones AT ALL. Yes, this has nothing to do with what the normal user does or does not do. It's all about the tests i have done when it's about the speed of the phones to Samsung, or one of their phones.

Or is this to hard for you to understand?


Question is, should i listen to what all of the reviews of the Samsung phones says about the screens on those phones, or should i listen to an Apple fanboy on a MacRumor forum?

The fact like everyone who have done reviews of Samsung phones is that nothing comes close to the Super AMOLED screens today. Samsung have developed the Super AMOLED technology in a lightning speed the last 3 years and have passed the quality of the IPS LCD screens several years ago. When the Note 4 came out, Super AMOLED passed the IPS LCD screens for the first time. After that, Super AMOLED have been developed years after years while IPS LCD screens pretty much have been sitting stand still and have barely been improved on.

And lastly, when it's about VR, you don't want to use an LCD screen for that. Thrust me on that one. LCD screen have lower refresh rate than Super AMOLED screens, so Super AMOLED screens will be better to use that way. And ofc Super AMOLED have true black that makes everything looks better in VR to.

So, what do we see after all of my replies to you here?

We see that i'm responding to a guy with no clues about Android or Samsung that are using scaremongering when it comes to malwares and are using opinions over what the hard facts says.

Have a good day and don't get stuck in the Apple-bubble forever. It's not good for your health in the longer run.

Tom,
Our replies are getting a little long...
So I will and should reply with either a PM or a little later here.

But skip to the point:
While you make some good points, and admittedly I'm no Android Samsung Rooting expert... My main problem is that you tend to only consider your posted Evidence from Displaymate as GOSPEL.
And state my evidence as
"only one webpage was affected by that and very few peoples" [your quote]
and more denial: "scaremongering from the media. For peoples who lives with Android everyday and are more technically into Android or are an advanced user like me, knows the real story behind the malware scaremongering from the media."[your quote]
and negating 10M users: "And what is 10 million out of how many peoples in total that are using Android in China?"[your quote]
and this opinion: "Don't you think Kaspersky are trying to scare" [your quote]

YET*
you say: "I'm pretty sure that number is incredible low as i rarely hear about peoples complaining about malwares and that kind of things on their phones. Because if it actually had been a problem, alot of peoples would complain about it everywhere on the internet."
and
"I have the Galaxy S6 edge+ and some other friends of me have the nornal Galaxy S6 phone. None of us have ANY indication of scratches on the glass."

Really sounds like a lot of anecdotal opinions based on yourself and a few friends, and ignoring my facts , only considering your facts only.
10 million ?? you negate over 10 million hacked androids in the world as "nothing" because 10M is nothing comparted to the population in China... WHY? when you consider yourself and a few friends MORE? What's the population in Norway, where you are? 5M? So you and your friens represent what percentage of the country? and 10million is DOUBLE the whole country of Norway.
See your logic issues? Hey, I'll admit it when I'm wrong and Naïve about Android Rooting etc... your turn.
I don't really care if China don't get their apps from Goog play store... because you keep touting your "custom roms" which are from the same "3rd party" sources. How do you know your phone isn't HACKED?for sure?

as for Kapersky trying to monger fear... ok, sure, maybe, but no proof, so it's another opinion of your's... and MY OPINION is that DisplayMate is BOUGHT OUT by Samsung ad Dollars. No proof, just like your Opinion. Why not?

Then you go and make tons of excuses for the Plastic home button. "I have just said that it's rare to come over someone that have scratched the home button." [your quote}
NO, bad design is bad design, and LOTS have issues.. just because you and your friends don't notice anyone complaining, doesn't mean Samsung f-ed up and used the wrong material- plastic- for something that gets pressed hundreds of times per dayand needs to be a biometric fingerprint reader.

 

[newby11]

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But the measurements still shows that their conclusions is true though. So why make so much fuzz about it?

All you need to do is to look at the measurements they have done and then look at what their conclusions is. Then you will see that the screen on the Galaxy Note7 obliterates the iPhone 6S / 6S Plus's screen. Nothing more is needed to say.

So, do you agree on that by looking at the measurements?

And this...
Displaymate measurements are fine. Also, colour, contrast etc all those specs show and conclude S-amoled is superior in those metrics. fine.
However THIS IS THE ISSUE, Displaymate CONVENIENTLY forgets:
- longevity.
- pixel hang issues that I've posted about earlier post #566 on page 23. again, see picture (it is of the new diamond pixel arrangement, not Pentile... In which BOTH have and use SUBPIXEL design)
- screen flickering due to "PWM (pulse width modulation)" -look it up.
The pixel hang and flickering renders Amoled screens [currently] unusable for me.

Seriously, for the pixel hang issue, LOOK at your S7 - look at the google search bar on your home screen. The white bar [or anything similar to that] and you will notice the pixel hang. It looks like crap.

And because of the above issues that Displaymate negates, their CONCLUSION is just an opinion.
It is just like the Verge's opinion articles...

 

[Tom-Helge]

While you make some good points, and admittedly I'm no Android Samsung Rooting expert... My main problem is that you tend to only consider your posted Evidence from Displaymate as GOSPEL.

No, i state their conclusions as facts as no one else that does reviews of the smartphones is saying the opposite of what Displaymate is saying about the screens. Or do you have someone who doesn't agree with DisplayMate's conclusions that does reviews?

I bet you don't. Thus, i'm right and you are wrong. Or at least give some damn evidences on your claims if you want someone to believe you.

And state my evidence as
"only one webpage was affected by that and very few peoples" [your quote]
and more denial: "scaremongering from the media. For peoples who lives with Android everyday and are more technically into Android or are an advanced user like me, knows the real story behind the malware scaremongering from the media."[your quote]
and negating 10M users: "And what is 10 million out of how many peoples in total that are using Android in China?"[your quote]
and this opinion: "Don't you think Kaspersky are trying to scare" [your quote]

YET*
you say: "I'm pretty sure that number is incredible low as i rarely hear about peoples complaining about malwares and that kind of things on their phones. Because if it actually had been a problem, alot of peoples would complain about it everywhere on the internet."

What you stated about this is evidence. But the evidences you are reading is something you are exaggerating way over the top of what the reality is. That's the issue.

I have never denied that the facts you are stating to me here have never happened. I'm just stating that the media have a known history of blowing tiny small issues up to be some extraordinary crazy and massive things. NEVER EVER believe in the media when it's about things like malwares and viruses. And specially not if companies like Kaspersky are doing scaremongering posts that tells how bad the malware situation is on Android and so on just to try and sneak in some sales of their malware / antivirus apps that doesn't really have any effects on Android.

and
"I have the Galaxy S6 edge+ and some other friends of me have the nornal Galaxy S6 phone. None of us have ANY indication of scratches on the glass."

Really sounds like a lot of anecdotal opinions based on yourself and a few friends, and ignoring my facts , only considering your facts only.

It's based on my observation between friends and many others who use the Galaxy S6 / S7 series phones. I have never ever heard about anyone complain about scratches on the home button or the screens on those phones here in Norway. Not even on some of the big forums here that is all about technology / smartphones / computers and so on.

I base my arguments on what i see in real life while you base your argument out from some few souls that have had issues with their phones this way and have posted about it on a forum. Who do you think have the most credibility here between me and you about this?

10 million ?? you negate over 10 million hacked androids in the world as "nothing" because 10M is nothing comparted to the population in China... WHY? when you consider yourself and a few friends MORE? What's the population in Norway, where you are? 5M? So you and your friens represent what percentage of the country? and 10million is DOUBLE the whole country of Norway.
See your logic issues? Hey, I'll admit it when I'm wrong and Naïve about Android Rooting etc... your turn.
I don't really care if China don't get their apps from Goog play store... because you keep touting your "custom roms" which are from the same "3rd party" sources. How do you know your phone isn't HACKED?for sure?

And here we go again. Don't you even realize that you are one of the reasons why the media keep posting crap like the scaremongering about malwares and that when you bites on their bait articles right on?

They do that because we have folks like you that believes that. When the media says 'omg, 10 million devices are probably hit by a malware', you actually believes that 10 million devices are hit by it when in reality, it's not really more than 2-3 million at most.

Media have a known history of blowing things like this up to an insane amount of stupidity.

Not only that, but when an article says that 10 million devices are probably affected by a malware, they say "probably" for a reason. Because they don't have a confirmed number on it. So they go by guesses.

Just because they say it doesn't mean anything that 10 million or anything near that actually are affected by that.

as for Kapersky trying to monger fear... ok, sure, maybe, but no proof, so it's another opinion of your's... and MY OPINION is that DisplayMate is BOUGHT OUT by Samsung ad Dollars. No proof, just like your Opinion. Why not?

Kaspersky is like every other antivirus companies. They are always trying to sneak in some scaremongering articles about malwares on Android or even computers just to try and gain more sales from stupid peoples that doesn't knows anything about this kind of things. They have done this for years and they will keep doing it for as long as softwares like they have are being sold.

And no. Samsung have never paid DisplayMate for anything, because if that's the case, then we can claim the same thing towards Apple to, because DisplayMate does infact have very positive reviews about the screens on the iPhones and iPads when it's about IPS LCD screens.

But hey, i'll guess Apple never does things like that, just because it's Apple, right?

Then you go and make tons of excuses for the Plastic home button. "I have just said that it's rare to come over someone that have scratched the home button." [your quote}
NO, bad design is bad design, and LOTS have issues.. just because you and your friends don't notice anyone complaining, doesn't mean Samsung f-ed up and used the wrong material- plastic- for something that gets pressed hundreds of times per dayand needs to be a biometric fingerprint reader.

Like i said, i have never come over anyone with a scratched home button on the Galaxy S6, Galaxy S7 and Galaxy Note 4 and Note5 phones. You just believes it is a huge issue just because someone posted about it.

So if i say to you that the 'touch disease' issue the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have now must be a huge issue, just because someone have reported on that issue. Do you believe me then if i say it's a huge issue just because someone posted about it like Engadget did here?: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/25/iphone-touch-disease/

For all we know, it might not be that big of an issue. But hey, someone posted about it so it must be a huge issue according to you, right?

However THIS IS THE ISSUE, Displaymate CONVENIENTLY forgets:
- longevity.

The Super AMOLED screens today lasts as long as the phones today lasts, so there is nothing to worry about. I have had the Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note (the first one), Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note4 and now the Galaxy S6 edge+. None of those phones have had ANY indications of degradation on the screens in any ways while i have had those phones all from 1 to 2 years each. Late next month, i have had my Galaxy S6 edge+ for 1 year and i'm still gonna have it for another year, because it's THAT good. The Super AMOLED screen is as good as it was new and there is no scratches on the screen or home button either.

- pixel hang issues that I've posted about earlier post #566 on page 23. again, see picture (it is of the new diamond pixel arrangement, not Pentile... In which BOTH have and use SUBPIXEL design)

I care about how i see the screen in real life after how i use it and not after what the specs is, because the specs doesn't really tells the whole story on how a screen is. And everyone else who uses a phone with a Super AMOLED screen does that to, because the Super AMOLED screens are the best screens that are out on the market. And most peoples knows this today.

- screen flickering due to "PWM (pulse width modulation)" -look it up.

This is only visible on some cameras that have recorded a video of the Super AMOLED screens with some specific settings applied. Infact, the refresh rate on Super AMOLED screens are better / higher than the IPS LCD screens, because if not, the VR experience would have been really really bad with the Samsung phones that you use with the Gear VR headset.

The flickering is not even noticable for the human eye when you are using it in VR either. And yes, you gets much much closer to the screen there, so if there would have been any flickering there, you would absolutely see it there if it had been there. But it's not, because the SUper AMOLED screens doesn't flicker in the ways the eyes sees it.

And just to confirm that you have any clues about the Super AMOLED screens, do you know what the 'pulse width modulation' on the Super AMOLED screens are for?

The pixel hang and flickering renders Amoled screens [currently] unusable for me.

Well, to bad for you. I don't have any flickering issues with my Galaxy S6 edge+ and have never had it with any of my Samsung phones that have had Super AMOLED screens. And you should read this to: http://www.androidauthority.com/amoled-vs-lcd-differences-572859/

Seriously, for the pixel hang issue, LOOK at your S7 - look at the google search bar on your home screen. The white bar [or anything similar to that] and you will notice the pixel hang. It looks like crap.

Ehh, where have i told you that i have a Galaxy S7?

Again, a proof that you don't properly reads my posts. I have a Galaxy S6 edge+ and have no indications of some stuck pixels or burn-ins as you can call it. Again, you use a demo model placed in a store as an example of how the Super AMOLED screens are. That alone says me that you are far from being serious at all in this discussion.

And because of the above issues that Displaymate negates, their CONCLUSION is just an opinion.
It is just like the Verge's opinion articles...[/QUOTE]

 

[I7guy]

No, i state their conclusions as facts as no one else that does reviews of the smartphones is saying the opposite of what Displaymate is saying about the screens. Or do you have someone who doesn't agree with DisplayMate's conclusions that does reviews?

I bet you don't. Thus, i'm right and you are wrong. Or at least give some damn evidences on your claims if you want someone to believe you.


What you stated about this is evidence. But the evidences you are reading is something you are exaggerating way over the top of what the reality is. That's the issue.

I have never denied that the facts you are stating to me here have never happened. I'm just stating that the media have a known history of blowing tiny small issues up to be some extraordinary crazy and massive things. NEVER EVER believe in the media when it's about things like malwares and viruses. And specially not if companies like Kaspersky are doing scaremongering posts that tells how bad the malware situation is on Android and so on just to try and sneak in some sales of their malware / antivirus apps that doesn't really have any effects on Android.


It's based on my observation between friends and many others who use the Galaxy S6 / S7 series phones. I have never ever heard about anyone complain about scratches on the home button or the screens on those phones here in Norway. Not even on some of the big forums here that is all about technology / smartphones / computers and so on.

I base my arguments on what i see in real life while you base your argument out from some few souls that have had issues with their phones this way and have posted about it on a forum. Who do you think have the most credibility here between me and you about this?


And here we go again. Don't you even realize that you are one of the reasons why the media keep posting crap like the scaremongering about malwares and that when you bites on their bait articles right on?

They do that because we have folks like you that believes that. When the media says 'omg, 10 million devices are probably hit by a malware', you actually believes that 10 million devices are hit by it when in reality, it's not really more than 2-3 million at most.

Media have a known history of blowing things like this up to an insane amount of stupidity.

Not only that, but when an article says that 10 million devices are probably affected by a malware, they say "probably" for a reason. Because they don't have a confirmed number on it. So they go by guesses.

Just because they say it doesn't mean anything that 10 million or anything near that actually are affected by that.


Kaspersky is like every other antivirus companies. They are always trying to sneak in some scaremongering articles about malwares on Android or even computers just to try and gain more sales from stupid peoples that doesn't knows anything about this kind of things. They have done this for years and they will keep doing it for as long as softwares like they have are being sold.

And no. Samsung have never paid DisplayMate for anything, because if that's the case, then we can claim the same thing towards Apple to, because DisplayMate does infact have very positive reviews about the screens on the iPhones and iPads when it's about IPS LCD screens.

But hey, i'll guess Apple never does things like that, just because it's Apple, right?


Like i said, i have never come over anyone with a scratched home button on the Galaxy S6, Galaxy S7 and Galaxy Note 4 and Note5 phones. You just believes it is a huge issue just because someone posted about it.

So if i say to you that the 'touch disease' issue the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have now must be a huge issue, just because someone have reported on that issue. Do you believe me then if i say it's a huge issue just because someone posted about it like Engadget did here?: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/25/iphone-touch-disease/

For all we know, it might not be that big of an issue. But hey, someone posted about it so it must be a huge issue according to you, right?


The Super AMOLED screens today lasts as long as the phones today lasts, so there is nothing to worry about. I have had the Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note (the first one), Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note4 and now the Galaxy S6 edge+. None of those phones have had ANY indications of degradation on the screens in any ways while i have had those phones all from 1 to 2 years each. Late next month, i have had my Galaxy S6 edge+ for 1 year and i'm still gonna have it for another year, because it's THAT good. The Super AMOLED screen is as good as it was new and there is no scratches on the screen or home button either.


I care about how i see the screen in real life after how i use it and not after what the specs is, because the specs doesn't really tells the whole story on how a screen is. And everyone else who uses a phone with a Super AMOLED screen does that to, because the Super AMOLED screens are the best screens that are out on the market. And most peoples knows this today.


This is only visible on some cameras that have recorded a video of the Super AMOLED screens with some specific settings applied. Infact, the refresh rate on Super AMOLED screens are better / higher than the IPS LCD screens, because if not, the VR experience would have been really really bad with the Samsung phones that you use with the Gear VR headset.

The flickering is not even noticable for the human eye when you are using it in VR either. And yes, you gets much much closer to the screen there, so if there would have been any flickering there, you would absolutely see it there if it had been there. But it's not, because the SUper AMOLED screens doesn't flicker in the ways the eyes sees it.

And just to confirm that you have any clues about the Super AMOLED screens, do you know what the 'pulse width modulation' on the Super AMOLED screens are for?


Well, to bad for you. I don't have any flickering issues with my Galaxy S6 edge+ and have never had it with any of my Samsung phones that have had Super AMOLED screens. And you should read this to: http://www.androidauthority.com/amoled-vs-lcd-differences-572859/


Ehh, where have i told you that i have a Galaxy S7?

Again, a proof that you don't properly reads my posts. I have a Galaxy S6 edge+ and have no indications of some stuck pixels or burn-ins as you can call it. Again, you use a demo model placed in a store as an example of how the Super AMOLED screens are. That alone says me that you are far from being serious at all in this discussion.

And because of the above issues that Displaymate negates, their CONCLUSION is just an opinion.
It is just like the Verge's opinion articles...

[/QUOTE]
Displaymate, IMO, is no different than the car mags that proclaim a winner or conclusion based on a bunch of measurements that the mag picks.

 

[newby11]

No, i state their conclusions as facts as no one else that does reviews of the smartphones is saying the opposite of what Displaymate is saying about the screens. Or do you have someone who doesn't agree with DisplayMate's conclusions that does reviews?

I bet you don't. Thus, i'm right and you are wrong. Or at least give some damn evidences on your claims if you want someone to believe you.

OK, let me get this straight.
[your] DisplayMate review is Gospel.
[my] Kapersky is exaggerating the android hacks to sell more of its products.
[your] buddies never heard of any scratched plastic home buttons, so it is not a big deal and should be negated... especially the ones on XDA and forums alike... because these people don't matter
[my] article that stated OVER 10million found hacks in the wild is exaggerated again you opine that it is really only 2-3million, so 2-3million is not a large enough number to care, so should also be negated, even though 2-3 million is about half of your country's population... but yes, you are right, you and your buddies are more important measure ---and because you said it, it is Gospel.
[your] buddies and your "big forums" never said anything about scratched plastic home buttons, so for sure, you know that there are only a "few souls" that complain on "small forums" like XDA.

I get it. You and your buddies are the Gospel, and my sources are just deluded BS.

I have never denied that the facts you are stating to me here have never happened. I'm just stating that the media have a known history of blowing tiny small issues up to be some extraordinary crazy and massive things. NEVER EVER believe in the media when it's about things like malwares and viruses. And specially not if companies like Kaspersky are doing scaremongering posts that tells how bad the malware situation is on Android and so on just to try and sneak in some sales of their malware / antivirus apps that doesn't really have any effects on Android.

Blowing tiny small issues up like the 10Million hacked devices in the wild? and NEVER EVER believe in the media? Ok, is that your way of burying your head in the sand? If it is, just say so, I'll leave you alone.
Oh, I forgot, sorry, don't be mad... But look at this one on the PlayStore from aug1,2016:
http://www.securityweek.com/android-trojan-downloaded-over-28-million-times-google-play

Just a hint on where I get these articles: don't use google.
I know, 28million downloads were done by the same 1 person that works at Kaspersky right?

It's based on my observation between friends and many others who use the Galaxy S6 / S7 series phones. I have never ever heard about anyone complain about scratches on the home button or the screens on those phones here in Norway. Not even on some of the big forums here that is all about technology / smartphones / computers and so on.

You and your Buddies --- oops, I mean FRIENDS!
an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

1. (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
   "while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"
   • characterized by or fond of telling anecdotes.
     "her book is anecdotal and chatty"
   • (of a painting) depicting small narrative incidents.
     "nineteenth-century French anecdotal paintings"

You and your friends must be nineteenth-century French painters

I base my arguments on what i see in real life while you base your argument out from some few souls that have had issues with their phones this way and have posted about it on a forum. Who do you think have the most credibility here between me and you about this?

No, I base my arguments from information from well written articles [similar to well written article that is part of your commandments from DisplayMate]...
Just keep using your anecdotes and keep your selective hearing aid on MAX. How's it working out for you?

And here we go again. Don't you even realize that you are one of the reasons why the media keep posting crap like the scaremongering about malwares and that when you bites on their bait articles right on?

They do that because we have folks like you that believes that. When the media says 'omg, 10 million devices are probably hit by a malware', you actually believes that 10 million devices are hit by it when in reality, it's not really more than 2-3 million at most.

Media have a known history of blowing things like this up to an insane amount of stupidity.

Not only that, but when an article says that 10 million devices are probably affected by a malware, they say "probably" for a reason. Because they don't have a confirmed number on it. So they go by guesses.

Just because they say it doesn't mean anything that 10 million or anything near that actually are affected by that.

No, the article title states OVER 10Million.

Kaspersky is like every other antivirus companies. They are always trying to sneak in some scaremongering articles about malwares on Android or even computers just to try and gain more sales from stupid peoples that doesn't knows anything about this kind of things. They have done this for years and they will keep doing it for as long as softwares like they have are being sold.

And no. Samsung have never paid DisplayMate for anything, because if that's the case, then we can claim the same thing towards Apple to, because DisplayMate does infact have very positive reviews about the screens on the iPhones and iPads when it's about IPS LCD screens.

But hey, i'll guess Apple never does things like that, just because it's Apple, right?

you seem to have lots of conspiracy theories on Kaspersky and the 10million exageration hacks... so why can't I opine and theorize that Sansung didn't give Displaymate EXTRa AD dollars??
dOh*

Like i said, i have never come over anyone with a scratched home button on the Galaxy S6, Galaxy S7 and Galaxy Note 4 and Note5 phones. You just believes it is a huge issue just because someone posted about it.

So if i say to you that the 'touch disease' issue the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have now must be a huge issue, just because someone have reported on that issue. Do you believe me then if i say it's a huge issue just because someone posted about it like Engadget did here?: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/25/iphone-touch-disease/

For all we know, it might not be that big of an issue. But hey, someone posted about it so it must be a huge issue according to you, right?

Nope, stop defering...
bottom line, plastic is weak and should NOT be used for the surface of a fingerprint reader PERIOD.
ok... lets put it another way:
let's not consider any use cases, and only look at 2 fingerprint readers: 1 is made of sapphire and the other of plastic. which is better????? and which would you like to use???? let me guess, you don't have fingernails (and no keys), so you don't care.

The Super AMOLED screens today lasts as long as the phones today lasts, so there is nothing to worry about. I have had the Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note (the first one), Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note4 and now the Galaxy S6 edge+. None of those phones have had ANY indications of degradation on the screens in any ways while i have had those phones all from 1 to 2 years each. Late next month, i have had my Galaxy S6 edge+ for 1 year and i'm still gonna have it for another year, because it's THAT good. The Super AMOLED screen is as good as it was new and there is no scratches on the screen or home button either.


I care about how i see the screen in real life after how i use it and not after what the specs is, because the specs doesn't really tells the whole story on how a screen is. And everyone else who uses a phone with a Super AMOLED screen does that to, because the Super AMOLED screens are the best screens that are out on the market. And most peoples knows this today.

Ok, I know you don't like admitting that burn-in on the DEMo models can also happen to someone's pone...
but our arguments are all relative. Durability is all relative.
so here's the MAGICal question that will put this burn-in issue to rest.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OR SEEN AN IPHONE DEMO MODEL IPS SCREEN BURNED IN?
THEN,
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A LATE MODEL GALAXY DEMO MODEL SCREEN BURNED IN?
I rest my case.

oh, AND WHILE WE ARE AT IT... HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SCRATCHED TOUCH ID SENSOR BEFORE?
THEN
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN PLASTIC SCRATCHED BY A WOMAN'S FINGERNAIL BEFORE?

This is only visible on some cameras that have recorded a video of the Super AMOLED screens with some specific settings applied. Infact, the refresh rate on Super AMOLED screens are better / higher than the IPS LCD screens, because if not, the VR experience would have been really really bad with the Samsung phones that you use with the Gear VR headset.

The flickering is not even noticable for the human eye when you are using it in VR either. And yes, you gets much much closer to the screen there, so if there would have been any flickering there, you would absolutely see it there if it had been there. But it's not, because the SUper AMOLED screens doesn't flicker in the ways the eyes sees it.

And just to confirm that you have any clues about the Super AMOLED screens, do you know what the 'pulse width modulation' on the Super AMOLED screens are for?

Do you want me to post that video of the iphone and galaxy phone again?
They are side by side. One screen is flickering and the other isn't. The flickering does come from convergence of the camera's fps and the pulse-frequency of light from the amoled screen. Iphone's backlight has a frequency high enough to not flicker.
forget it, here's the video again:

Bottom line, one is flickering.
The camera sees it. Just like fluorescent tube lights flicker at a lower frequency vs incandescent bulbs.
and dude, I posted what PWM is for in post #556...

Ehh, where have i told you that i have a Galaxy S7?

Again, a proof that you don't properly reads my posts. I have a Galaxy S6 edge+ and have no indications of some stuck pixels or burn-ins as you can call it. Again, you use a demo model placed in a store as an example of how the Super AMOLED screens are. That alone says me that you are far from being serious at all in this discussion.

ehh... what's the difference between the s6 and s7 -other than a better camera?
ehh... what's the difference between the Note5 and Note6 -other than a better camera?

btw, I'm very very UN-serious in this discussion. It's on the net Breh, it doesn't get more serious.

 

[bobob]

OK, let me get this straight.
[your] DisplayMate review is Gospel.
[my] Kapersky is exaggerating the android hacks to sell more of its products.
[your] buddies never heard of any scratched plastic home buttons, so it is not a big deal and should be negated... especially the ones on XDA and forums alike... because these people don't matter
[my] article that stated OVER 10million found hacks in the wild is exaggerated again you opine that it is really only 2-3million, so 2-3million is not a large enough number to care, so should also be negated, even though 2-3 million is about half of your country's population... but yes, you are right, you and your buddies are more important measure ---and because you said it, it is Gospel.
[your] buddies and your "big forums" never said anything about scratched plastic home buttons, so for sure, you know that there are only a "few souls" that complain on "small forums" like XDA.

I get it. You and your buddies are the Gospel, and my sources are just deluded BS.

That seems to be standard operating procedure for the Android faithful - - the same as smartphone specifications were everything until Apple's recent mobile processors began to dominate the specifications. With the launch of the A10 processor in 2 weeks, Samsung owners are soon going to forget specifications ever existed. It's all going to be about "I know some guy who's Galaxy runs wicked great" and the old market share adage "Eat ___ : 100 Billion Flies Can't Be Wrong".