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It happens in normal lighting too. I did extensive side by side comparisons a when the 6 came out and the loss of detail is noticeable.

But to a less extent. NR is on and working all the time to hide the noise in shadows in even well lit images. It is all about the physics of the pixel density on the sensor. Your 5/5S had way fewer pixels on the same size sensor and NR was very lightly applied as it was not needed near as much.
 
Lol like I said my expertise begins and ends with point and shoot. I've seen some amazing photoshop work. Sometimes I'm envious. I just neither have the will nor patience to sit down and edit. Props to those who do. :)

Yep it looks like magic but over 15 years of learning curve will get some results. I love it and so do my friends as they are always trying to get me to fix important images. Some I can fix but others are so ever exposed there is nothing there to recover.
 
I also don't think the camera is very good. It seems my Motorola droid turbo had better photograph quality I know for a fact the Samsung galaxy S6 has the best on the market
 
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See this, is unacceptable to me:

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Those lighting conditions are WAY TO DARK for the iPhone! You should know that if you have a decent photography background. In this image you took, the iPhone camera is using the highest iso setting it can reach, which is not good. I think you guys are expecting too much from the iPhone camera in those conditions. Even my pro DSLR would need at least ISO 6400 or higher to get a bright enough shot and it would be noisy. I'll say it again, if you want better night shots, I suggest the Cortex camera app and possibly a tripod... Or, get an app like 645 pro where you can fully adjust the iPhone camera manually (shutter and iso) to lower the noise. The lower the ISO, the cleaner the image. And if there is low light, low iso will be hard to handhold and you will most likely get motion blur.
 
If I bring it into our $500,000 color correc tion suite, there is no range to work with. These are not "raw" or a "flat pass," this looks like garbage post processing to make the image brighter. Before I click the button to capture image, the picture looks great. once it snaps the pic, it looks horrible. I say let me do that on my own. When you do this, if you go into the CC you will see that any adjustment clips whites and crushes blacks leaving you negative range to adjust image without making it garbage. Meaning if I used one of these shots in a commercial, it wouldn't pass standards and would be kicked back. this gives you less latitude to work with.

I am by no means saying it's even close to RAW, but it's a lot flatter than I expected when I edited mine in good lighting settings. Do you think that perhaps the sensor's latitude drops off at high ISO's?
 
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what's unacceptable is your assumption that it's a poor camera.

-i'm not addressing the child, she moved so this is not the issue.
-this is really a VERY low light environment. you have to be aware of that.
-this HAS to be taken with Live Photos DISABLED.
-if you can, take this exact photo in that location with a competition camera.
i'll be glad to admit any major advantages after close inspection.
 
I was loving the picture quality on my iPhone 6S over my iPhone 5, and I have read that iPhones have great cameras, but after reading all these comments, you all have me convinced that it's one of the worst smart phone cameras out there. :'(
 
http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/28/iphone-6-diary-camera-test/

Jump to "Low-light Photos"

"The 6s shot is noticeably less sharp due to the greater level of noise-reduction applied by the phone.

This reinforces what I’d long said: that Apple was right to refuse to enter the megapixel race and concentrate instead on quality rather than quantity. The more densely-packed sensor in the higher megapixel camera requires more aggressive noise-reduction to overcome the increased noise – and that is achieved at the expense of detail. So the higher resolution image does, in low-light conditions, end up less detailed than the lower resolution version.

This is, unfortunately, what happens when people who know nothing about photography simply count pixels and criticize Apple for falling behind. The company refused to play that game for a long time, but I guess this is the point at which it feared it would be panned for remaining with an 8MP camera for a fifth generation (after the iPhone 4S, 5, 5S and 6).

At a pixel-peeping level, then, the iPhone 6s sensor is actually a retrograde step, sacrificing detail for pixel-count."

So, is iPhone 6s camera worse than 5s? In low light, I would say yes. It was bad decision to enter megapixel race.

They haven't entered the RAM or screen resolution races, so why would they feel the need to enter the megapixel race?
 
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So pretty disappointed out of the gate. There is pitting on the corners and sides of the phone ever since I picked it up. That was a major downer. Now I finally started playing with the camera and am not impressed.

I loved the 5s camera. It took amazing pictures. So I splurged and got myself an iPhone 6s on launch day thinking it would be a major step up in the camera dept.

I took some pictures of family during the supermoon. It was unbelievable how bad how they came out. I thought it was a fluke. However, I just did some test shots and I can't believe how bad they are. The iPhone 6s side by side to the 5s is washed out, low contrast and the details are non existent. The 5s keeps the details in the image.

Same OS, same lighting, tried using both autofocus and touch focus. Same results. Notice how on the 6s, you don't even realize there is a pattern in the wood floor or any detail in the jeans.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?

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Neither is an especially nice photo because they're too dark. At least the 6S makes he subject matter less dark and therefore better. Sure detail has suffered but heck, in that dingy 5S photo who cares about detail?
 
I was loving the picture quality on my iPhone 6S over my iPhone 5, and I have read that iPhones have great cameras, but after reading all these comments, you all have me convinced that it's one of the worst smart phone cameras out there. :'(

Well the thing here is that there's has not been to much improvement over the years and a reality is that Apple has been left behind by other brands in the camera department.
 
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After reading some more of your responses, OP, it seems you just want to convince people the 5s is the superior camera. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty ok with that. If you like it better that's certain your right.

I agree the pics you're taking look worse. Here is a low light pic of Boston Harbor (wife took this with a 6s). I don't have a 5s to compare it to, but it definitely looks better to me than some of your samples.

no, I'm not a troll. I just want the new phone to be better than the old phone. i love the form factor f the 6s and that i don't have to wear glasses to read emails. What i can't deal with is bad pictures. A bad picture is worse than no picture.

I dealt with Apple today and they agree it sounds like there is a problem with the camera itself. I did some normal non lowlight pics and they were blurry as well. They will swap out to a replacement if the pitting gets approved.
 
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no, I'm not a troll. I just want the new phone to be better than the old phone. i love the form factor f the 6s and that i don't have to wear glasses to read emails. What i can't deal with is bad pictures. A bad picture is worse than no picture.

I dealt with Apple today and they agree it sounds like there is a problem with the camera itself. I did some normal non lowlight pics and they were blurry as well. They will swap out to a replacement if the pitting gets approved.

Be ready if they give a new one with the same results, I did the same last year with a 6 plus, couldn't stand the bad quality so I decided to keep my 5s.
 
So pretty disappointed out of the gate. There is pitting on the corners and sides of the phone ever since I picked it up. That was a major downer. Now I finally started playing with the camera and am not impressed.

I loved the 5s camera. It took amazing pictures. So I splurged and got myself an iPhone 6s on launch day thinking it would be a major step up in the camera dept.

I took some pictures of family during the supermoon. It was unbelievable how bad how they came out. I thought it was a fluke. However, I just did some test shots and I can't believe how bad they are. The iPhone 6s side by side to the 5s is washed out, low contrast and the details are non existent. The 5s keeps the details in the image.

Same OS, same lighting, tried using both autofocus and touch focus. Same results. Notice how on the 6s, you don't even realize there is a pattern in the wood floor or any detail in the jeans.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?

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Do you have a TV on to the right of your 6s picture? There is an obvious glare coming from the right which would severely alter the photo and make it completely different than the 5s.

Your test was flawed big time.
 
no, I'm not a troll. I just want the new phone to be better than the old phone. i love the form factor f the 6s and that i don't have to wear glasses to read emails. What i can't deal with is bad pictures. A bad picture is worse than no picture.

I dealt with Apple today and they agree it sounds like there is a problem with the camera itself. I did some normal non lowlight pics and they were blurry as well. They will swap out to a replacement if the pitting gets approved.
If you felt that's what I was implying there, it wasn't. You just came off as someone who wanted to convince folks the 5s camera is better than the 6s camera; it's not. I think there are plenty of examples where that isn't the case. Plenty of people do think the new phone camera is better than the old phone camera, just not leaps and bounds better. Based on what you've shared of your resume you're a better photographer than I am, and not all of my low light pics come out the way yours seem to, though I've had my share of awful snaps. Perhaps you do have a faulty camera if the few shots you showed us is an accurate representation of the photos is produces? I'm not sure what else to say about that.
 
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If you stop and think about it, it's amazing how good these cameras are, given that photography is not the sole or necessarily even main focus of the device the camera sensor is attached to.

Remember taking photos on flip phones? They make all of these photos look like Mapplethorpes.
 
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If you felt that's what I was implying there, it wasn't. You just came off as someone who wanted to convince folks the 5s camera is better than the 6s camera; it's not. I think there are plenty of examples where that isn't the case. Plenty of people do think the new phone camera is better than the old phone camera, just not leaps and bounds better. Based on what you've shared of your resume you're a better photographer than I am

I'm not a photographer. Never said I was, but people keep saying that. I work in VXF as a video engineer and comp/cleanup/beauty artist for movies commercials and music videos. You've all seen my work wether you realize it or not. That's besides the point. Not a photographer and never claimed to be.

The whole point of this thread was to see if I was missing a setting like Live or something I wasn't doing right and to diagnose the issue.

If this is all due to nr and automagically making pictures pretty, then make that a toggle, cause I sure as hell can make that darker 5s picture look a crap ton better than their auto cleanup. And lightening and blurring a picture to make it look prettier is a garbage idea. If you're gonna blur, then at least regrain for depth and texture. Or keep the details of the shot at least as a backup like HDR keep orig
 
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