It amazes me how you continually have zero respect for anyone else's opinion that differs from yours.
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'iPhone 6s' Logic Board Suggests 16GB Base Model and Updated NFC Hardware
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And you can buy the 64GB version to handle that. AND????
I can't say I fully agree. Consumers spending money on such an expensive flagship phone would definitely be influenced by the difference in storage, even if it's just a bullet point to some of them. If you're already spending $700 on a phone you'll definitely think about going the extra mile and you have the money to make it happen. This is even more true with the installment plans, hey it only adds 9 bucks to my monthly plan, why not? Or so consumer mentality goes. I say fully because of course many consumers follow the price point as there are a lot of 16gb phones sold. But I think Apple is WELL aware that a large percentage of buyers will pony up the extra cash who might not if it had 32gb. There is no other plausible explanation, especially in light of the very high profit margin on the iPhone and the low price of adding more storage memory.
But I don't NEED to. I could still do all that with a smaller device too. I don't like having a lot of apps. I like having what I need. I don't have a reason to take more videos than I already do. If I want to seriously take videos I have a camera that's much better than an iPhone. I don't need more space to get more out of my phone. I'm already getting the most out of my phone, it just doesn't leave enough breathing room (for example, I can't download my iCloud Music Library without leaving almost no space for things like updates).
What a GOOD company does is listens to what customers demand, and adjust fit (provided it's something possible and accessible). See what Microsoft did? People were vocal about the Kinect on the Xbox One, and now Microsoft sells a version without Kinect for those who don't want it. People were vocal about having higher storage sizes for the iPad, and Apple provided them with a 128GB option. People were vocal for a larger sized iPhone, and Apple eventually catered to its customers. There's no reason they can't change default storage configurations.
Apple offers me the services I use the most though (iMessage, iCloud Photo Library, and now Apple Music). They're all exclusive to iOS (except Apple Music will eventually expand), so iOS is the best choice for me.
Uh, no?
...what? I'm just saying its in the best interest of the consumer to provide a 32GB. There's literally NO damage to consumers and very minimal to Apple if ANY (which I doubt is the case at all).
Why is it that when a suggestion to benefit consumers is brought up, people have to be so defensive about the status quo? There's no downsides to this at all (having 32GB as standard) except for maybe a few people who would've bought the 64GB (for example now I'm getting the 64 when I switch to T-Mobile just because i'm starting to need the extra space and its the same per month for a 16GB as it is a 64) would like to save money and get a 32 instead.
How an I showing disrespect exactly? We're having a sort of debate here and I'm merely disagreeing with your opinion.It amazes me how you continually have zero respect for anyone else's opinion that differs from yours.
As for your opinion, why do you take Apple's business side rather than the consumer's side? Nobody is asking for a half-price iPhone or a free Maldives holiday for everyone who buys the 64GB storage option, we are simply showing concern that Apple isn't moving with the times. 16GB is insufficient for a top of the line smartphone with a premier retail lifespan through to September 2016. Whether some people can get by with this is immaterial, plenty of people can get by with a 30$ Nokia off Ebay.
This new pricing model by Apple has DEFINITELY resulted in higher ASPs. It's working out exactly as Apple wanted it to. The trend was going down as people realized Apple was charging more than its peers for storage. Something had to be done.
There's a reason the stock is up as much as it is. And we paid for it.
That's my point, Apple makes more money keeping that entry model very low in storage memory. That bump up to the next level is making them tons of money which would not be quite as profitable if they raised it to 32gm.
Considering they sell millions of these phones, I don't think there is as much 'user demand' as you think. Remember MacRumors is not a representative sample.
We're in agreement. What I don't get is the defense of Apple. This isn't a shareholder site but an enthusiast site. The 16GB pricing decision was meant to raise ASP and profit margins. This was not to benefit the customer but the shareholder. As customers, we should complain and ask for better pricing. As shareholders, we should celebrate!
Only real way to complain is to buy another brand of phone. Apple will only listen if sales are hurting, record sales will fall on deaf ears.
I doubt it will happen anytime soon. There's too much goodwill and brand loyalty. But if the iPad and the Watch are examples, there are limits to this kind of business model.
Point out where I am taking Apple's business side. Please do. Because I will happily show you earlier in this thread where I said specifically that I agree with people that Apple should up the base model iPhone storage.
The problem here is just what you're saying. If "MY" or anyone else's opinion differs from yours you accuse people of BLINDLY defending Apple and/or taking their business side against the consumer. That's disrespecting other's opinions, because what you're saying is YOUR opinion is the only one that matters. That's not a real debate. For you it's, "Agree with me or I'll call you an Apple defender". Once again, that's not a real debate. And who says your opinion is the side of the consumers? A few people here? That's not the majority.
Most of us on here are aware 16GB is a non-starter and therefore we buy the higher capacity models - I always max out at the highest on all my devices. It's those who don't really know what GB means who can end up getting burned. They buy what their carrier recommends, the carrier tends to push the lowest cost model, and so a ton of customers end up with 16GB iPhones that may or may not give customers a great experience over time. If Apple bumped the entry level to say 32GB, they could guarantee a hell of a lot more customers would have a better experience for the duration of their time with the device.
It's those who shoot a lot of photos or video who usually end up frustrated trying to juggle storage by constantly deleting stuff. My brothers girlfriend who had a baby last year is in that category. She's been shooting tons of photos of the baby, and sharing them with friends and family, but she is constantly struggling to keep the photos she loves on her device. It's frustrating trying to juggle storage by deleting apps, music and photos.
We on here all know about iCloud, Dropbox, Google Photos and various options available to us to get content off our devices to free up space. But there a lot of people who do not share our awareness or expertise to do this. I've tried explaining options to my brothers girlfriend to try and mitigate the storage limitations of her device, but she still really doesn't get it. She just struggles along in her own way trying to cope with the limited storage available to her.
Even Apple has admitted there is a problem and has been working hard to find technical solutions to make sure everyone can update to the latest and greatest versions of iOS. It's great that they have done this and found software engineering solutions, but maybe when you are having to innovative your way out of working within storage limitations of devices - it's probably time to reconsider whether you should still be selling 16GB and lower capacity devices to customers.
At this point, I think it would be preferable for Apple to increase the price of iPhone 6s for everyone slightly and start at 32GB to try and limit the lost revenue they currently earn from people buying higher capacity devices. After all, there would definitely be some people sticking at 32GB rather than buying the 64GB upgrade. So charge a bit more to cover as much of that lost income as possible, while giving everyone a much better experience with their devices.
The only people who defend the 16GB model are shareholders, because they're just as greedy as Apple. 16GB base model is pathetic in 2016 and they know it. The only thing on their mind is margins.
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You are not worth it. And perhaps this whole place is not worth it.
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How would my opinion not be on the side of consumers? I am suggesting, as many are, that 32GB should be the base storage level. How is that a bad thing for any consumer?
Oh and yeah, I consider anyone pro-16GB to be an 'Apple defender' because the decision to stick with 16GB is indefensible from a consumerist standpoint regarding a top of the line smartphone to be released in late 2015.
You are being very black and white in saying that based on this one issue, ok maybe two issues if you include the 1GB of RAM you personally defend, that I somehow think that everyone should agree with me....on every issue, ever. Of course I don't.
From a "consumerist standpoint", just don't buy the next iPhone. Give Apple your feedback on their site, and don't give them the money.
So many people on this site dramatically complain about products that they end up buying anyways. I sure hope people don't wonder why Apple still makes these 16GB devices.
That's very true. However, as much as I will purchase the 6S providing it has at least 2GB of RAM, I sure regret buying the 6+ and in hindsight wish I had kept the i5 for another 12 months. One thing's for sure, my 6+ ownership has made me extremely wary of future Apple products and I shall only buy them in future if the spec seems right. I won't be relying on Apple to sell me something that 'just works' regardless of spec. I used to buy into the mantra that Apple knows best and Android need higher specs to compete, but I now know for certain that it's BS.
I agree there are no downsides. If anything, I am indifferent to Apple offering 32gb as the entry level model because it doesn't have any impact on the way I would use my own iphone. And for the record, I don't hold any Apple shares, so how well Apple does is immaterial to me, beyond me wanting them to remain financially viable enough to stay well in business and making great products for me to use for a good many years to come.
If anything, I should be agreeing with the notion because it means that many other people benefit at no cost to myself. However, I disagree with the general tone of this whole discussion and the overall notion that Apple is somehow "wrong" for not selling the 32gb iPhone and doing away with the 16gb model just because a few more vocal critics here are clamouring for it, what more that Apple is somehow "morally obligated" to do so. There's just something about it that rubs me the wrong way. I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like there are people here claiming that it reflects badly on Apple as a company, when the reality is that they just want to save a few dollars and really couldn't care less what it means for Apple. They are no more altruistic than the company they are criticising. It just smacks of hypocrisy (for lack of a better word, and apologies upfront if I do offend anyone. I just can't think of a better word).
Case in point - I bought a 2012 MBA with 4 gb of ram and 64gb of storage. Back in my head, I had this nagging suspicion that 64gb of storage wouldn't be enough, but I simply wanted an entry level macbook to bring to work and wasn't willing to spend any more than the base price. Fast forward to today, 64gb of storage is cutting it very close, and I can't save as much stuff on it as I would like, but I just learn to make do. Was it Apple's fault for not offering 128gb of storage at that price range there and then? No. It was my choice because I prioritised price over specs, and I am simply living with the ramifications of that choice. I don't blame Apple, nor do I see the point of blaming Apple.
It is what it is.
At the end of the day, what "just works" for one person may not "just work" for you. Most people were not significantly affected by only having 1GB of RAM, but some people absolutely needed 2GB. You can almost always count on Apple to release products that work well for most people (stinkers like MobileMe and Apple Maps circa-2012 aside), but nothing they release will ever be satisfactory for everybody. So what you allude to is exactly right- it is your job to make sure that the products you buy meet your needs, regardless of what marketing materials suggest.
I believe this to be a key distinction. MR isn't a representative sample in my estimation either. I would love to see a meaningful survey or some sort of sales statistics on this matter. I won't hold my breath
This is where I can truly thank Apple because I fully agree. OEMs stagnated on resolution and it was Apple that pushed the status quo forward. We almost had another 1024x768.
They do this from time to time with standards and everyone is better off for it. I tip my hat to their credit for this.
Boy you sure talk a lot without saying anything. Why are you going on and on about VRAM instead of just listing the Apps you use and letting us try for ourselves? And why are you not telling us which three year old Android tablet and Apps you use that outperform the 6+?
My kids and I use the iPhone and iPad Air for music production. We regularly have several Apps running at the same time where audio from one goes through an effect App and then to a recording App. None of them get paused as this would break the chain and make music production impossible. They are all running concurrently with exceptional response time from each. So call BS all you want - you clearly don't know much about iOS devices and multitasking if you're not aware of this ability that countless musicians do every day.
You're not only preaching to the choir about the 32GB being the base level, you have a very short memory. Why you bothered to write that when I told you previously that I agreed with the people that want 32GB's as the base level. You're too busy trying to be right (along with name calling) that you don't even realize your own hypocrisy and lack of reading comprehension.
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