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Of course you will.

There's always someone on a forum like that you that makes these frankly, utterly silly remarks, thinking Apple will be reading and suddenly the whole company start a huge conference call stating that 'Edgar Spayce allegedly will switch to Samsung and Android if we don't go base 32gb guys. I mean come on, we have to now, right?? guys???'

You will not switch.

If you do someday? No one cares.

I'm going to tell you a story.

A very beefy but handsome bouncer guards the entrance of one of the most famous clubs. Everyone wants to get in, and he chooses who does or not. It wasn't always the case, when the club started it barely attracted some erudites with a sharp knowledge of music.

But the club owner refused to give in crappy commercial music and continued to build the club's reputation based on sharp line-ups, quality sound system, an overall effort to light and decoration and welcoming at the door, thus making his initial knowledgable customers spread the word of mouth, eventually attracting more and more people.

One day, at the apex of the club's success, the owner dies. So the owner changes, it could have been the artistic director who had a vision, but the creditors of the club chose the guy in charge of alcohol stocks instead. But the club sees it a good opportunity to build on its legacy anyway, and they use the image of their owner and the club he build to continue steadily attracting more customers, putting posters and flyers into knew neighbourhoods to attract other customers.

The problem is that the new owner doesn't have the vision, so the quality in music start declining, the decoration and lighting start being badly done, the price of the drink start to skyrocket, and the bouncer becomes more and more rude. So has it happens with any otherwise successful club, the initial trendsetting start avoiding the club, being replace by younger and younger and less and less informed or influential people, until they hit rock bottom with a nouveau riche or kardashian type couch potatoes and young hipsters clientele.

The club is still full from the outside, prices continue to climb, the music gets even crappier, and the bouncer more and more rude basing is decision on appearance of wealth based on poor fashion culture, while the creditors continue to get their money and ask for more and more.

But then little by little, even couch potatos and latecomers, because they are followers, end up getting bored, start questioning the point or price of the club, and on a short but extended enough period of time the club with no vision or feedback, ends up cumulate poor line-ups. So the clientele suddenly start hearing the original trendsetter about the actual crappy quality of the club, and other alternative cool places, and start going away in flocks, with nobody to replace them since they were the lowest range of customers you could get.

One following day, one of the old clientele guy comes by. He's wearing tongs and shorts, and like all V.I.Ps he gets straight to the door because he knows the thing. But the bouncer, being as stupid as his door, refuses him the entrance. The guy responds "you should let me enter I have money". The bouncer says get the f*** off. The guy says "well you shouldn't say that, you don't know who I am". The bouncer insults hime again. The guy says "fine" and goes away.

The next day, the bouncer goes to work, start getting in position. When he suddenly sees the guy from the other night get out the owner's office. So the bouncer goes on asking what he is doing here to which the guy says "well, as you might not know, I used to be the friend of the original club owner, knew his vision, and with it I built a night empire that made me more influential and wealthy that anybody one the scene. And know to complete my own vision across all these clubs, labels and neighbours I invested in, I just bought your club with an offer the couldn't refuse, you're fired, and don't expect to be able to work in any other club".

This, is a true story. So of course all exact detailed might not match the situation of Apple. But people who are not hypocritical will get the point, or at least some senses and informations that are often overlooked in the current situation.
 
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Re: 16 GB... agreed!

That said, it's best to just buy the model you want anyway. Yea, it's $100 more, but over the life of the phone, that's not the important factor. The only place the 16 GB really makes a difference, is that it's the model all the telcos advertise and give semi-reasonable pricing on. But, if you care about the cost, purchase outright and don't give the telcos any extra money.
 
I'm going to tell you a story.

A very beefy but handsome bouncer guards the entrance of one of the most famous clubs...

Heh, the analogy problem is that clubs, societal status, and fashion are probably just the kind of things us long-time-Apple users are scared to death Apple is now chasing after. It kind of self-fulfills the biggest lame critique of Apple over the years. And, some days, I have to wonder if Cook is more about keeping up with the Kardashians than sticking to the original vision of Apple.
 
Everything you record on the phone itself has gotta be saved to the device before upload. How many mins of video can you record at 4k on a 16GB device ? Not many.

The iPhone doesn't do 4k though? Unless you're assuming the 6S will? In which case if you plan to record 4k you obviously buy a bigger phone, people who have no interest in record video (of which there are many iPhone users) will be just fine with 16gb. I don't get what all the moaning is for. Assume that 64gb is the cheapest handset and thats how much it costs you to get an iPhone. If you want to moan about anything, moan about that price being too high, not that there's a 16gb option.
 
Yeah, I'm sure that I'm considered a troll despite using iPhones since the 3GS. I just say it how I see it and the 6+ has been the worst phone I've ever had (*at the time).
I simply can't excuse a £699 (1088$) supposedly premium device that was underspecced straight out of the box. This thing has lagged, frozen, crashed and rebooted every single day since I bought it. It also keeps *nothing* in memory because there isn't enough RAM available.

Now I stumped up for the 64GB storage space so I can't complain that I have none, but I only need 32GB and I shouldn't have had to pay £100 (155$) to get what other manufacturers offer as a base level. Especially not when I'm being gimped on RAM as well. Let's not forget that most premium Android phones come with 32GB of storage and 3 or 4GB of RAM straight out of the blocks. Apple defenders claim that Android devices need this amount of RAM 'just to function' but my Android tablet comfortably outperforms my 6+ despite only having 1.5GB of RAM. That proves to me that Android devices don't actually need all that much more (if any) RAM than an iPhone does.

Why don't you just buy the cheaper Android device then if it has the specs and user experience you want?
 
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The iPhone doesn't do 4k though? Unless you're assuming the 6S will? In which case if you plan to record 4k you obviously buy a bigger phone, people who have no interest in record video (of which there are many iPhone users) will be just fine with 16gb. I don't get what all the moaning is for. Assume that 64gb is the cheapest handset and thats how much it costs you to get an iPhone. If you want to moan about anything, moan about that price being too high, not that there's a 16gb option.

The problem is that most people don't realize 16 GB is next to useless until they are trapped into a 2-yr contract. I agree, just buy the 64 GB outright is the best option anyway, at least then you get a bit less-soaked by the telcos.

But, your argument that you only need more than 16 GB if you shoot 4k video is ridiculous. I don't even shoot much video or photos, don't even have that many games or apps, (I do have some podcasts, which I listen to and delete), and my 32 GB iPod is almost always over half-full. I'm sure I could really try and make a 16 GB work, but I'd be severely limiting what an iPhone is capable of.
 
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My parents still haven't filled their 16gb entry-level models.

Why don't all the whiners just spent the money and get the non-entry level model? Clearly you aren't tech newbs, right? Why instead this sense of entitlement -- that Apple owes you more?

On-contract, the non-entry level models cost far more than the $100 difference. But, yea, IF they were aware of how much storage they need, etc. then I'd agree. The problem is that the average user just buys the one that is heavily advertised by various electronic retailers, and then has a bad experience. (Yes, a few make do with 16 GB just fine, but I hear a LOT more people complain about it and then take a negative attitude towards Apple.

I guess what I'm saying, is that the few dollars Apple is saving on the cost-to-build spreadsheet isn't nearly worth the negative user experience.

So, for us long-time-Apple-users, who remember a time (not so long ago) were Apple way synonymous with user-experience being priority #1... we're a bit worried. Then, consider the boondoggle of the last couple iOS and OS X releases, and it is even more concerning. (Note: Yes, Apple has historically had an under-equiped entry level model in the product line-up, but it was always something that could be easily fixed with a storage swap or a couple RAM chips.)
 
You are partially right on the first account: vote with your wallet.

The rest is (usually, since you wrote the first part) hidden community managers trying to rationalised the unacceptable. I've been using Apple for 15 years, and converted 1000s of people because back then there was reason to: Apple customers were SMARTER.

Now thank to Steve Jobs mainly but also the trendsetting customers who believed and convinced many other customers, Apple can live on Jobs legacy for a few more years. And a legacy is responsibility, as much as a company responsibility is to make profit on the long term (while shareholders responsibility is to parasite the company like leeches to make profit on the short term).

The difference being that if a company wants to survive on the long term, they shouldn't scam, crook and screw customers like Apple is doing right now because part of the future, specifically the future fall of Apple is already written. When that happens is a matter of how they manager the long term, but the more they serve their shareholders before their customers by milking, retaining innovation, and squeezing decent specs and upgrades at a crazy overprice is bringing this fall close, faster.

I can't explain it all: smart people already have at least a feel at what I'm saying, prospecter (sharp analysts, no clowns like on Macrumors) already know exactly why, but stupid people wouldn't understand ish with truth serve a silver plate. But it is what is, and having a 16GB entry phone in 2015 is the kind a crookery that would deeply impact even the most casual customer in the image that Apple is just scam for stupid people today, if they're no convinced yet.

Oh, get over yourself.
The amount of nonsense and emotional "argumentation" in this thread is pathetic.

It's silly how people try to insinuate that the sky is going to fall in, Apple will go bankrupt and a turbine attached to Steve Jobs turning in his grave would provide energy for the entire world just because you don't get extra storage on the base model.

All this whining is actually proof that Apple's segmentation strategy is brilliant. The vast majority of people visiting this site are advanced users. That's even more so for people that have an account and post comments.
Advanced users should need more than the base model.
If you need a lot of storage, you're using it a lot. If you're using it a lot, you're getting a lot of value. If you're getting a lot of value you should be willing to spend more.
 
Heh, the analogy problem is that clubs, societal status, and fashion are probably just the kind of things us long-time-Apple users are scared to death Apple is now chasing after. It kind of self-fulfills the biggest lame critique of Apple over the years. And, some days, I have to wonder if Cook is more about keeping up with the Kardashians than sticking to the original vision of Apple.

Indeed.

The problem with corruption is that it starts insidiously in the heart of man and goes unrecognised for a while. By the time it becomes apparent, it may be too late to mend it.

So it is with Apple.
 
Oh, get over yourself.
The amount of nonsense and emotional "argumentation" in this thread is pathetic.

It's silly how people try to insinuate that the sky is going to fall in, Apple will go bankrupt and a turbine attached to Steve Jobs turning in his grave would provide energy for the entire world just because you don't get extra storage on the base model.

All this whining is actually proof that Apple's segmentation strategy is brilliant. The vast majority of people visiting this site are advanced users. That's even more so for people that have an account and post comments.
Advanced users should need more than the base model.
If you need a lot of storage, you're using it a lot. If you're using it a lot, you're getting a lot of value. If you're getting a lot of value you should be willing to spend more.

It has little to do with being an advanced user... it's about how it is used. And, I'd say an advanced user typically has a better chance of being able to deal with limited storage.

In the end, the argument isn't a technical one, though. It's about user experience. And, if Apple cares more about market-segmentation and profits than user-experience... it's over, it's just a matter of how long.
 
I don't get what all the moaning is for. Assume that 64gb is the cheapest handset and thats how much it costs you to get an iPhone. If you want to moan about anything, moan about that price being too high, not that there's a 16gb option.
Yeah, that's what drives me nuts too... Hating the fact that Apple sells something they don't want to buy.

Apple couldn't make this any simpler. The only differentiating factor among devices in the same line is storage. It's not like you can only get TouchID with the 16GB, but you want 64GB and can't get that with TouchID and now need to hand wring about tradeoffs.

I think it's probably that the "I want more for less" or "my parents will only buy me the cheapest one" argument is transparent and self-entitled, so they think "what they're selling doesn't even work" makes it sound more like a scandal.

Or heroic to protect little old ladies from getting locked into a phone they'll never be able to use:
The problem is that most people don't realize 16 GB is next to useless until they are trapped into a 2-yr contract. I agree, just buy the 64 GB outright is the best option anyway, at least then you get a bit less-soaked by the telcos.
Have more faith in people. We're 8 years into the iPhone, and Apple hasn't given them a lot of options they need to sort out-- most people know what they're using.

I'm going to have a hard time believing this is about sticking up for the poor flip-phone user who finds themselves in the big city for the first time.
 
If you need a lot of storage, you're using it a lot. If you're using it a lot, you're getting a lot of value. If you're getting a lot of value you should be willing to spend more.

It's more about the user who knows little, but finally decides to give Apple a try. People have told them it's worth the premium price. So, they save up the extra money and jump in. They do a bit more than just make phone calls and browse the web, and then can't upgrade to the latest OS without calling in the nerd-squad... or run out of space because they actually took taking photos or video serious, even though they haven't even taken many yet.

So, they buy an Android next time and Apple made an extra $70 profit on that ONE sale (and lost THOUSANDS on gaining a loyal, long-term user).

There is ONE primary reason I've been an Apple user for over 25 years now, and it is because, while they've made a bad decision or produced a dud now and then, their primary goal was to make better stuff and provide an exceptional user experience. And, as someone with that much history - while hope reigns eternal - I'm at least watching for falling sky these days.
 
Yeah, that's what drives me nuts too... Hating the fact that Apple sells something they don't want to buy.

Apple couldn't make this any simpler. The only differentiating factor among devices in the same line is storage. It's not like you can only get TouchID with the 16GB, but you want 64GB and can't get that with TouchID and now need to hand wring about tradeoffs.

I think it's probably that the "I want more for less" or "my parents will only buy me the cheapest one" argument is transparent and self-entitled, so they think "what they're selling doesn't even work" makes it sound more like a scandal.

Or heroic to protect little old ladies from getting locked into a phone they'll never be able to use:

Have more faith in people. We're 8 years into the iPhone, and Apple hasn't given them a lot of options they need to sort out-- most people know what they're using.

I'm going to have a hard time believing this is about sticking up for the poor flip-phone user who finds themselves in the big city for the first time.

I've been an Apple evangelist for an awfully long time. When I see people with an iPhone, I often ask them about their experience... because I actually care about Apple's future more than fighting over specs or tech vs newbie, etc. What I hear a lot, is that people like them, but have a range of negative emotions over being sold something so limited they are stuck with on a contract.

Yes, YOU and I know the 64 GB is really the base model. The average person walking into a cell store doesn't.

re: "Have more faith in people."

I guess I've been around the real world a bit too long for that, especially the last decade or so. Most people can't think their way out of a paper bag, unfortunately. My concern though, given the context of this post, is how such decisions by Apple affect Apple's success or failure.

I don't care whether a smart user *should* be smart enough to choose the 64 GB, it's about what happens with the folks who pick the 16 GB (which, seems like a lot from my experiences so far).
 
Face it, iPhones just aren't worth the money anymore. If you were about to buy your first ever smartphone would you really choose Apple? Seriously? I know we're all locked into the 'ecosystem' and have a ton of paid-for apps but if all that was erased, what exactly is the draw here? It seems to be a company trading on former glories.

Early iPhones, especially the iPhone 4, were superb. Build quality was light years ahead of the competition and the feature set was as good as anyone else could muster, but with a sprinkling of gold on top. Ever since then there have been a succession of lacklustre devices and none more so that the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Now we have plenty of folk aggressively defending 16GB of storage and 1GB of RAM on what is touted as the world's best smartphone. The competition has not only caught up, they have moved onwards and upwards. iPhones have old-tech LCD screens, a pathetic amount of RAM, and piddling storage space unless you spend hundreds more dollars on top of what is already the most expensive phone you can buy.

All of Apple's premium smartphone competitors now offer the same if not better build quality, along with proper up to date technical specifications. The one saving grace that Apple had, namely iOS, is now a buggy and stuttering mess compared to how it once was. Android has caught up in every respect and yet still we have folk defending lousy specs and buggy operating systems. Why?
 
Face it, iPhones just aren't worth the money anymore. If you were about to buy your first ever smartphone would you really choose Apple? Seriously? I know we're all locked into the 'ecosystem' and have a ton of paid-for apps but if all that was erased, what exactly is the draw here? It seems to be a company trading on former glories.

Early iPhones, especially the iPhone 4, were superb. Build quality was light years ahead of the competition and the feature set was as good as anyone else could muster, but with a sprinkling of gold on top. Ever since then there have been a succession of lacklustre devices and none more so that the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Now we have plenty of folk aggressively defending 16GB of storage and 1GB of RAM on what is touted as the world's best smartphone. The competition has not only caught up, they have moved onwards and upwards. iPhones have old-tech LCD screens, a pathetic amount of RAM, and piddling storage space unless you spend hundreds more dollars on top of what is already the most expensive phone you can buy.

All of Apple's premium smartphone competitors now offer the same if not better build quality, along with proper up to date technical specifications. The one saving grace that Apple had, namely iOS, is now a buggy and stuttering mess compared to how it once was. Android has caught up in every respect and yet still we have folk defending lousy specs and buggy operating systems. Why?

Yea, at this point I'd still buy Apple. While I agree that Apple is slipping (hopefully temporary), they are still way ahead of the competition on overall user experience. Once you include the whole ecosystem, it's a chasm. But, you're right that if Apple doesn't get their act together, that won't last forever.

Compared to iOS and OS X, arguing over storage size seems silly, but IMO, at the core it's about Apple's priority on user experience. I don't give a rip about specs if they can deliver a superior experience (which they did in the past), but that isn't the case anymore.
 
Yea, at this point I'd still buy Apple. While I agree that Apple is slipping (hopefully temporary), they are still way ahead of the competition on overall user experience. Once you include the whole ecosystem, it's a chasm. But, you're right that if Apple doesn't get their act together, that won't last forever.

Compared to iOS and OS X, arguing over storage size seems silly, but IMO, at the core it's about Apple's priority on user experience. I don't give a rip about specs if they can deliver a superior experience (which they did in the past), but that isn't the case anymore.

Exactly. I don't care about specs so long as they deliver the experience I'm looking for (and which Apple promise). I never cared about specs until the 5S was launched. It should have had more RAM and probably a bigger screen. The iPhone 6 and 6+ however are way off the pace and only a greedy company could think that a bigger screen would be sufficient this time around. They knew that a bigger screen would provide, as Tim Cook said, "the mother of all upgrades" and it's obvious that sales is all they considered. The 6+ for all its swanky HD screen and extended battery life positives is a complete downgrade on my old iPhone 5. That's a two generations older phone.

Apple have lost their way again and whether that's Cook's fault I don't know but he must certainly carry the can. They can only trade on their hallowed Apple logo and goodwill for so long. Incremental upgrades are the way things are going in the smartphone world but Apple aren't even doing that with the 6 Series. It's a few incremental upgrades, Apple Pay and a couple of massive downgrades (namely multitasking capability and iOS stability/smoothness).
 
I honestly don't understand the hate. If you want more storage, buy more storage. You just want more storage at the same price point. Apple also wants you to have more storage, which is why the 16GB model is the base entry point, they want your extra $100. At this point, you need to think of the 16GB model as truly entry level. When you go to the dealership to buy a car, the base model is missing a lot of features that are almost considered standard by 2015. Keyless entry? That's extra... Power windows / door locks? That's extra. I tell my parents to buy the 16GB model because that's all they need. For the rest of us, there is the 64GB.

I hear what you are saying, but all Apple products are premium, so this should not even be an option.
 
Congratulations, you're the consumer that Apple love. "Oh, well now you get 4 times more storage by upgrading than you did before! I'm getting a substantially better deal!"

Wake up. It's been 16GB base storage since the 3GS. Flash chips have plummeted in price to the point where the difference between 16GB and 32GB (for Apple) is likely to be less than $1. Darn I get angry reading comments like yours.

You may be understating the price difference.
 
Exactly. I don't care about specs so long as they deliver the experience I'm looking for (and which Apple promise). I never cared about specs until the 5S was launched. It should have had more RAM and probably a bigger screen. The iPhone 6 and 6+ however are way off the pace and only a greedy company could think that a bigger screen would be sufficient this time around. They knew that a bigger screen would provide, as Tim Cook said, "the mother of all upgrades" and it's obvious that sales is all they considered. The 6+ for all its swanky HD screen and extended battery life positives is a complete downgrade on my old iPhone 5. That's a two generations older phone.

Apple have lost their way again and whether that's Cook's fault I don't know but he must certainly carry the can. They can only trade on their hallowed Apple logo and goodwill for so long. Incremental upgrades are the way things are going in the smartphone world but Apple aren't even doing that with the 6 Series. It's a few incremental upgrades, Apple Pay and a couple of massive downgrades (namely multitasking capability and iOS stability/smoothness).

I'm hoping it's more of a software problem, though. My iPad 2, for example, was pretty good until the iOS 8 update. And, I'd even somewhat expect it (given it is now older hardware), except that they were actually selling iPad minis until recently (essentially the same hardware).

While it is true that Apple hasn't quite kept up on RAM, they didn't really need to, that much, until iOS 8. True, more RAM is always nice for multiple web pages or multi-tasking without reload, but in general the user experience was pretty good.

re: screen size - Yea, I don't get it that much either. I'm *MUCH* rather just have an iPhone 5s with 6 hardware. But, they probably did it for a world-market where more and more people use their phones as their only Internet devices. If you only have one device, you'll trade-off pocket-ability, etc. to get more screen space.

I just carried a bag-phone for too many years to go backwards like this on phone size. ;)
 
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