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Big electronics fan, and huge Apple fan, but not a fan of the 6S or 6S+

Apple basically upped the megapixels on the camera, added 3D touch, added an extra GB of RAM, and then did the usual upgraded processor swap. After a whole year and this is all they could come up with? I get Apple's "major" upgrades are every other year, but still, this upgrade is as bad as the 4S was compared to the 4.

P.S I'm willing to bet more people are getting this phone on day one than previous years due to decreased demand.

This is a completely new phone, internally and externally. The only thing really that's the same is the look of it. I really don't see how you could be a big electronics/Apple fan and have come to the conclusion that you have.
 
Short supply, let me guess the scenario at a typical Apple store. For the next few months after the iPhone 6S is release, there will be people in lines, hoping against hope that their phone that they want is in stock. If it's in stock, hopefully it won't be sold out once they get to the front of the line.

Apple only does this once a year and for 3 to 6 months after the iPhone it's always on short supply. Color me surprise!
 
I can just sit back, relax through this one since I had to wait 2 months for my 6+ last year. I likely won't be getting a new one until the 7S comes out...
 
Because sourcing cutting edge components from dozens of companies in quantities of millions is very very difficult. Theres no excuse, just people not understanding how hard it is to keep a supply chain of this scale and complexity going.
The point is that if you don't have the supply quite yet, you don't offer it for sale - especially a 'pre-order' sale which is supposed to assure first receipt. The whole idea of pre-order has become nothing more than marketing ******** to facilitate their claims of "units sold first weekend" - keyword "sold", even if it's not even made yet. Yes, it is very difficult to keep a supply chain of this scale and complexity, however if you know well going in that you cannot possibly satisfy demand and keep your 'availability date' then you simply don't make the promise. This "demand is too high to keep up with" excuse is complete crap. They've done this enough times to know what to expect in the first weekend. If it's truly a case of quality issues , perhaps they should only release a new iPhone only once a year to give them enough time to get it right and have enough to sell. Unfortunately it's quantity over quality, which is really sad coming from Apple.
 
I stood outside a T-Mobile (standalone) and was the first in line when the iPhone 6 came out last year. They had 0 units in stock when they opened. Took everyone's names down and called later when they had something. They ended up getting like two units in of the 6 base model and none of the 6+ as their whole launch day inventory. So going to a T-Mobile store isn't any guarantee you'll get an actual unit in person even if you are person #1 in line.

I feel like the safest way is going to be to go to the Apple store on launch day and get there EARLY. Or just wait a month and a half to two months for general availability.

Pre-ordering for delivery is dangerous too. I ended up doing that when they had no in store stock and I ended up waiting MONTHS for the delivery (even though they made it sound like it would be next day shipping... what they didn't mention was next day shipping from when they eventually get stock, which was months).

Was unable to cancel once ordered too, so basically had money tied up and then had to deal with the hassle of returning by mail, which took another couple of months to get my money back. BIG NIGHTMARE.

Can you buy T-Mobile phones at the Apple Store? Thought you had to pay full outright price
 
So they're having issues. Could just be yield. Relax. Didn,t see anything in the article that said bad units used or shipped.

Someone tried pulling similar bull on the watch about the haptic engine. Haven't seen squat about it since the watch came out.

The sky is not falling.

I've had to turn in my iPhones multiple times due to issues screen issues or some other defect. The fact that a new screen issue is already developing while these devices STILL HAVEN'T SHIPPED yet is very concerning to me due to this.
 
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What I don't understand is, every year, there's a rumor/news that mass production has started a month or so before the product is even announced. So, if that's the case, how could they not have enough to fulfill most of the preorders?
The conversation at Apple always goes one of two ways:

Tim: You mean to tell me that we won't have nearly enough come launch time?

Manufacturer: That's correct.

Tim: We're expecting to sell 10 million at launch, but it'll be fine if we only make 5 million by then. As long as they're sold we don't care if they actually exist or not. Customers can wait, we need those sales numbers high.

*OR*

Tim: We can produce more than enough to satisfy demand on launch day, but lets keep some at the warehouse to give the appearance of a huge demand. This makes everyone rush to order on the first day.

Take your pick, but either way, really shady practices on Apple's part.
 
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The conversation at Apple always goes one of two ways:

Tim: You mean to tell me that we won't have nearly enough come launch time?

Manufacturer: That's correct.

Tim: We're expecting to sell 10 million at launch, but it'll be fine if we only make 5 million by then. As long as they're sold we don't care if they actually exist or not. Customers can wait, we need those sales numbers high.

*OR*

Tim: We can produce more than enough to satisfy demand on launch day, but lets keep some at the warehouse to give the appearance of a huge demand. This makes everyone rush to order on the first day.

Take your pick, but either way, really shady practices on Apple's part.

It's not shady at all. They make the estimated delivery date very clear prior to purchase, so you have the information you need to decide whether or not you want to complete the purchase. And anyways, it is far more common for iPhones to be delivered before the estimated delivery date than it is for them to be delivered after it.

I would much rather make the purchase now and know I'll be waiting over a month instead of having to constantly check and see when new stock is available. If somebody wants the phone and there's no option but to wait, it makes perfect sense to just let people get the ordering process out of the way so they don't have to worry about anything until the phone arrives.
 
This is a completely new phone, internally and externally. The only thing really that's the same is the look of it. I really don't see how you could be a big electronics/Apple fan and have come to the conclusion that you have.


I was actually thinking the 6 to 6s upgrade is bigger than the 5s to 6 upgrade (which was - essentially - just a cosmetic makeover and screen size increase). I would put the better camera, 4k, live photos, and force touch over a screen size increase
 
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Funny that people complain about iPhone shortages when we all know that if any other competitor sold that many phones, their entire supply chain would collapse.

One Plus 2 is a perfect example.
 
So they're having issues. Could just be yield. Relax. Didn,t see anything in the article that said bad units used or shipped.

Someone tried pulling similar bull on the watch about the haptic engine. Haven't seen squat about it since the watch came out.

The sky is not falling.
From an engineering standpoint, if you're having issues with quality control while trying to mass produce a major product, you don't begin sales or at least halt all current sales until it's figured out. Yield issue means having trouble keeping them consistent from a QA/QC standpoint. The fact that they're shipping or preparing to ship while still having quality issues is worrisome. This is what causes "antenna-gate" issues. But hey, they got their weekend sales numbers!
 
It's not shady at all. They make the estimated delivery date very clear prior to purchase, so you have the information you need to decide whether or not you want to complete the purchase. And anyways, it is far more common for iPhones to be delivered before the estimated delivery date than it is for them to be delivered after it.

I would much rather make the purchase now and know I'll be waiting over a month instead of having to constantly check and see when new stock is available. If somebody wants the phone and there's no option but to wait, it makes perfect sense to just let people get the ordering process out of the way so they don't have to worry about anything until the phone arrives.
if apple shot your dog, would you manipulate the facts to show that the dog ran towards the bullet really fast, and it was in fact, his fault..
 
Last I checked, they don't produce screens at all.
Last I checked, they don't produce screens at all.

They don't produce anything, but the fact is that every one of the 3D touch screens produced are for Apple and Apple only, so I think it's safe to say they dictate quantities produced and quality standards, hence they are the de facto producers of the screen.
 
It's not shady at all. They make the estimated delivery date very clear prior to purchase, so you have the information you need to decide whether or not you want to complete the purchase. And anyways, it is far more common for iPhones to be delivered before the estimated delivery date than it is for them to be delivered after it.

I would much rather make the purchase now and know I'll be waiting over a month instead of having to constantly check and see when new stock is available. If somebody wants the phone and there's no option but to wait, it makes perfect sense to just let people get the ordering process out of the way so they don't have to worry about anything until the phone arrives.
I completely agree with that as I've already ordered my 6S Plus with a shipping date of late October. I'm certainly not thrilled with that but I understand that there's nothing i can do about it now but wait. I'm trying to be optimistic about getting it sooner, but it's not the end of the world if i don't.

Going back a bit further however, Apple has done this enough times to know what to expect at launch. They're not being caught off guard by any sales numbers. They know early on when they decide to begin production that it won't be enough and yet they choose to offer a pre-sale with "Available September 25" knowing well that customers will have to wait a month or even two. While I do see your point about knowing what you're getting into when you order, the part that's shady is this false supply/demand frenzy being created by Apple to give an illusion of a demand that can't possibly be met, when in reality it can.
 
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Right on time, a rumour explaining shortages of an apple product that is about to launch . Feels like these are controlled rumours to hype up demand, cause it will be resolved very shortly ;)
 
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