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"Ease of use" (aka coddling the beginners and making them not need to have to learn anything ) is how Apple got to where it is. Even decades ago, compare DOS machines to MacOS in 1984 - Apple championed the dumbing down while citing geniuses in crafty TV ads, how interesting... Probably not the hand of The Woz, who's actually cool.
What I never understood was how Jobs was happy with the NeXT OS. Unix and its clucky motif environment wasn't exactly Macintosh.
 
If there are so much rumors of iPhones, what's the prediction for mac,especially Mac Pro?
 
I just walked into the Apple Store and launch day and bought two. They had plenty. Maybe it was because I was in Cow Hampshire.
Yes they apparently had plenty at launch. Then they had a big dry spell for months afterward when positive word of mouth got out.
 
I'm looking forward to these. Though I stayed away from the 6 series for being so badly aesthetically designed and how old fashioned they looked with the honking 2007 type bezels, this looks like a great refinement. What the 6 series should have looked like had Ive's team not been on strike.
So I'll pick up this years Plus model as I already have an SE as my daily driver and will skip next years all new model and get the following year's S model .

But again, all the little touches, the attention to detail on this years model all add up to what SJ strove for. Product excellence. That's something we couldn't say about the 6 series or the UI starting with ios7. Sounds like Apple is getting back on track.
 
I'm going to say it again. I still can not believe the number of people that buy the iPhone for the way it looks. I buy it for what it does. I suggest to those that are into the looks of a phone switch to Android. The OS sucks, but you will have lots of different phones to choose from to make your life better.
I've never seen an Android phone that I thought looked good. Fortunately I can assume most Android phone companies have better judgement than to copy the 6S or 7 designs.
 
so, it's not enough that a rumored iPhone 7 will be with or without headphone jack,,, people must also drill down to which weekend it going to launch as well ? Special powers of deduction.

This is getting like weather forecast predictions ..
 
Wrong. It will be week of September 11. It's always week of September 11.

Edit: No. Sorry. My predictions were wrong... It's the week of September 10.
 
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Marking my calendar purportedly now. That's approximately the same time as last year as the preorder for the iPhone 6s, which was on September 11 ironically. iPhone 7 will be in my shopping cart. (Wishing it was a NEW MacBook Pro too).
 
The SE came out later than the 6S though, it was always very unlikely they would launch another 4" iPhone already. If we don't see another smaller iPhone in another year, then it's maybe more of a worry, but the SE might be it until a small version of the iPhone 8. It's hard to predict when the SE is such a one-off in terms of time of release in the context of the other phones.

I'm thinking there won't be much need for a 4"/SE version to go along with the iPhone 8. If the rumors are true, the bezels will shrink so much that the 4.7" screen won't be in a much larger phone than the current SE.
 
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I've got Amazon's $60 Blu R1 HD smartphone headed to me in the mail today. I'm going to check that out. But if it is a competent phone and it is readily available in the U.S., I've got a feeling that Apple is going to have to start lowering its prices. I think the SE at $399 was the start of that process and that this launch will launch at lower price points than last year.

I also wonder what the heck other Android phone makers are going to do to compete against a decent Amazon phone which is given away nearly free.
 
I'm going to say it again. I still can not believe the number of people that buy the iPhone for the way it looks. I buy it for what it does. I suggest to those that are into the looks of a phone switch to Android. The OS sucks, but you will have lots of different phones to choose from to make your life better.

This^ I could care less about camera bumps and antenna lines. I look for software, battery and camera improvements. Sure, I would appreciate hardware advances, but in the end, you will look past this. iPhone 7, day one purchase.
 
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I've got Amazon's $60 Blu R1 HD smartphone headed to me in the mail today. I'm going to check that out. But if it is a competent phone and it is readily available in the U.S., I've got a feeling that Apple is going to have to start lowering its prices. I think the SE at $399 was the start of that process and that this launch will launch at lower price points than last year.

I also wonder what the heck other Android phone makers are going to do to compete against a decent Amazon phone which is given away nearly free.

It's only a threat if people are willing to tolerate all the ads. They may be. I wouldn't. But if it results in a lower iPhone price, I'm happy it exists.
 
I just walked into the Apple Store and launch day and bought two. They had plenty. Maybe it was because I was in Cow Hampshire.
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1986 called, they want their dated designs back.....and that counter top as well!
I don't know... That dual camera looks really good to me. It's that single camera that is bugging me: stupid pimple-crater looking thing.
 
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I'm going to say it again. I still can not believe the number of people that buy the iPhone for the way it looks. I buy it for what it does. I suggest to those that are into the looks of a phone switch to Android. The OS sucks, but you will have lots of different phones to choose from to make your life better.

Same here! Beats me why the look would be important at all.

I never buy things for show or because i get tired of a look.
Functions and what I do with it is ALWAYS #1 reason.

Wondering how many of the form complainers put a case on it anyway,
which means the design doesn't even matter.

But then, people like to waste money.

What I do know is that the current iPhone generation is very slippery and of course anybody who appreciates design has to agree the 4/4S was the best design (Rams inspired)

Plus, since the iPhone is at the end of its life cycle I will switch when the 8S is around with hopefully 512GB.

September 2018.
 
Like saying you don't care how your wife looks as long as she makes nice dinners, works, and brings home some money.
Whilst looks are shallow and what "the item" does is what really matters, we are animals driven a LOT by vision.
Online blind relationships are great, and would be nice if done more.
People FORCED to get to know each other by voice/text alone BEFORE you make the shallow decision you don't like them due to their physical appearance which, for the most part they are unable to change.
Form follows function.

That's a legitimate philosophy to designing stuff, so I don't really see a problem.
 
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I still, to this day, believe Apple leak out information at launch day approaches to kill any unrealistic expectations about a product.
I've seen it happen many times now over the years, and it's just all too much to be a coincidence.

Honestly I also do fully understand why it would make good business sense to officially leak things.

Think about it for a moment. If you are going to get up on stage, in front of the worlds press, and show off your latest and greatest product. The very last thing you are a company, or person on stage would ever want is for everyone in the room to be disappointed, as one or two unrealistic expectations become so strong that, almost everyone there was expecting "A" and you could only deliver "B"

Sure, silly things, like colours not showing up, or perhaps RAM not being increased would not be a worry, but anything major that's all in the media about it's coming NOW, you would not wish to disappoint on.

So, the most obvious thing is, and this is what happens almost every year.
There ARE some great expectations about a product, and they grow and change over the year, a few BIG ones stick, and stay there till we start getting close to launch day.

Then just a few weeks away, some rumour sites/posts start to kill things off, and we end up pretty much expecting what ends up being shown.

As I say, it makes sense. If anything you want to show MORE than is being expected.
It will interesting to watch over the next few weeks if any of the current expectations mysteriously get killed off prior to launch day.

What do we have so far?

Colours Blue/Black (not that important to worry about killing rumours)
RAM starting at 32GB ? 32/64/128 ?
Dual Camera's (been talked about for almost the whole years now)
Headphone Jack vanishing, everyone is expecting it.
A speaker on the top for stereo in landscape?
Antenna Bands?


The 4 was the last model where I remember people being blown away by the features revealed at the keynote. HD video camera, FaceTime, Retina Screen, FaceTime - it was just a quantum leap from everything else out there.

Hard to do that in today's age, but it would be nice to get SOMETHING that seemed like an upgrade
 
The fact that Apple appear to be once again abandoning the 4" size and losing the headphone jack leads me to think that this iPhone will see the same downward trend in sales that we saw with the iPhone 6s.

Wish it were not so.

Hopefully they will come up with an SE upgrade next spring, so we will have a fresh 4" phone.
 
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It's only a threat if people are willing to tolerate all the ads. They may be. I wouldn't. But if it results in a lower iPhone price, I'm happy it exists.

Well you can spend another $50 and buy it without ads on the lock screen. So it is a $110 ad free phone. Still very cheap. I understand that the camera is crap. That would be the deal breaker for me to have it as my only phone. But since I carry two and one is always going to be an iPhone with a great camera, I don't care about some features on my second phone.

In any case, I think it is a major threat to all the android manufacturers. It is also a bit of a threat to Apple, but of course you aren't going to get iOS on it so there will always be that major differentiator even if some aspects of the hardware are comparable.
 
I'm thinking there won't be much need for a 4"/SE version to go along with the iPhone 8. If the rumors are true, the bezels will shrink so much that the 4.7" screen won't be in a much larger phone than the current SE.

That's a good theory. I'm not sure how I'd feel about it, because I think the bezels serve good functional purposes like being able to hold the device without obscuring the screen, and I prefer having the physical home button, but they are things that might be solvable, I guess we'll see, and it'll depend on just how radical the iPhone 8 design is.
 
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