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My first iPhone, a 3GS, supported Bluetooth. The lightning port has been there since the 5. If there was any significant advantage to not using the headphone jack, I, and a lot more people, would have stopped using it years ago. There's no revolutionary step forward here.

If the removal of the headphone jack allowed space to be used more efficiently then there is a step forward :)
 
It's stupid and not needed.

Almost funny how some people are mentioning less cables when instead it will be more. BT battery down, 3,5' headphones? Here comes a thunderbolt to 3,5' dongle but of course in the eyes of some more means less lol
 
If the removal of the headphone jack allowed space to be used more efficiently then there is a step forward :)

And that is the big "if". We won't know for sure until the phone comes out, but so far it's being suggested that it's just to make the phone thinner (which would mean they are literally using the space for nothing), or to make it waterproof (although other phones do that without losing the jack), or to make the battery slightly larger (which kind of just cancels out the extra energy requirement of using and charging wireless earbuds, or the limitation of not being able to charge while using lightning ones).
 
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Here's the thing. When you remove something, you need to replace it with a better alternative. We'll see what Apple offers. If they just remove it for the sake of reducing one component to keep the cost down then they can go to hell
 
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Here's the thing. When you remove something, you need to replace it with a better alternative. We'll see what Apple offers. If they just remove it for the sake of reducing one component to keep the cost down then they can go to hell

They might be removing it to make the phone thinner as well. Which I think the phone is already thin enough. Maybe they will surprise us and put in a bigger battery instead of making the phone thinner.
 
The thinness craze needs to stop. Apparently Ive won't be satisfied until the phone is the size of a credit card. IMO, he was held accountable by Steve (yes, I know he's not coming back) and Tim is is just letting him loose.
Just think I'll buy an SE as I like the format (my 5s has been great) and it will probably then future proof me for about 5 years. At my age, at that point, I probably won't have anyone to call. (Ha!)
 
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They might be removing it to make the phone thinner as well. Which I think the phone is already thin enough. Maybe they will surprise us and put in a bigger battery instead of making the phone thinner.
I just can't understand the logic behind this, when their iPod touch devices are already thinner than their phones. Hell, look at their nanos from years ago. The bottleneck here isn't the 3.5mm jack.
 
So, our Chrysler Van was stolen from our driveway. I had installed a nice Pioneer system with an AUX input. So the insurance paid off and I was able to buy another van (needed for business), but had the Infinity sound system. Being an older car, the CD player does not function, but the tape player does. So looking for a decent cassette adaptor that I can just use with either my iPhone or iPod. At this point didn't want to invest in another unit as sometimes they don't take advantage of the 10 speaker sound system that came with this model. I know there are numerous adaptors out there, just wondering if one is better than another.
Just bothers me that there's going to be too many 'dongles' with the newer iPhone's losing the headphone jack. another $29.99 purchase.Guess I could buy some iPod shuffles and go that direction.Dunno anymore the direction Apple is going....
 
Didn't the OP start a thread complaining about Apple forcing him to buy the Plus size because it has the best camera hardware?

I don't understand people that come on to these sites to try and create a firestorm. Real life too boring?
 
Cool, thanks. I love my Sunfire GT. It's my baby. To bad they stopped making them. Not sure what I am going to do when this one is due for an upgrade, lol. Thanks again for the link.
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I think in like 2 years you'll be wondering how and why you ever needed an headphone jack!

You might...but there are plenty that will (remember) including myself.

OP is trolling. And if he wasn't, plenty of posts here to point out why removing the jack isn't a benefit.
 
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Bluetooth headphones have been around for a long time. Anybody want to revisit when Apple ditched SCSI and serial ports for USB and Firewire with close to zero hardware available using those protocols at the time? Overnight your printer, scanner, digital camera, and external drives became paperweights. But yeah, headphones. Rally the troops.
 
Bluetooth headphones have been around for a long time. Anybody want to revisit when Apple ditched SCSI and serial ports for USB and Firewire with close to zero hardware available using those protocols at the time? Overnight your printer, scanner, digital camera, and external drives became paperweights. But yeah, headphones. Rally the troops.

I still have my laserjet 2200 printer w/parallel port. Don't print much anymore with it, but works fine. Printed up some contracts a few months ago, signed, scanned to pdf and then emailed back.

I bought a USB adapter to enable it to work with my newer laptops, but I haven't had time to test it. Only $12.

But that laserjet beats any b/w or color printer still (in terms of dpi) and the cartridge lasts way longer than the ink they sell now.

Paperweight?...try again.
 
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I still have my laserjet 2200 printer w/parallel port. Don't print much anymore with it, but works fine. Printed up some contracts a few months ago, signed, scanned to pdf and then emailed back.

I bought a USB adapter to enable it to work with my newer laptops, but I haven't had time to test it. Only $12.

But that laserjet beats any b/w or color printer still (in terms of dpi) and the cartridge lasts way longer than the ink they sell now.

Paperweight?...try again.



I remember at the time of the new Mac releases there was 1 PCI expansion card, if you had a Mac that accommodates those, available and it wasn’t highly regarded or reliable. But of course more options became available eventually. With the removal of the headphone jack there are already plenty of Bluetooth headphones available. You don’t have to wait for manufactures to catch up with Apple’s decision. For some people they could have years of warning about this and it would still be too soon for them.
 
I remember at the time of the new Mac releases there was 1 PCI expansion card, if you had a Mac that accommodates those, available and it wasn’t highly regarded or reliable. But of course more options became available eventually. With the removal of the headphone jack there are already plenty of Bluetooth headphones available. You don’t have to wait for manufactures to catch up with Apple’s decision. For some people they could have years of warning about this and it would still be too soon for them.

BT doesnt for work for me because I don't want another device to have to charge up.

Why can't posters like you or Apple understand that?
 
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Except for every other time in history when people do change when they still have the old. No one stopped making 8-track, cassette, or VHS players when the new standard to replace them was first introduced. How many of us had stereos with a cassette player on the front and a CD tray on top? Or VCR/DVD combo? You transition. You integrate. You don't replace out of the blue. Totally taking away the old standard in a single generation is not the way advancement usually happens. That's the Apple philosophy of "you need what we say you need". Everyone else continues to support the old standard. If the new one is actually better, it will take over on its own.

Whether or not it is a vocal "minority" that is opposed to the loss of the headphone jack remains to be seen. I really think that some people here are underestimating how much this matters to a lot of people. A standard headphone jack is one of the most ubiquitous features in modern technology. You're right that there would still be complaints if they removed it a year from now, but a lot more people will have gotten used to the new headphones packed in the box, and there would be a lot more 3rd party options. There's really no rush to get rid of it at all. Having access to a floppy disk drive didn't stop people from adopting new storage technology that offered clear advantages.

It's also not really fair to say that it's not like everyone is being forced to adapt, because everyone who wants a new iPhone this year is. Anyone who wants or needs a new flagship phone this year either has to give up the jack or switch platforms.

Funny. That's not what happened with the transition to digital TV broadcasts, for what was the most unbiquitously used feature in modern technology.

I have been saying this exactly for months. The response is always, "Bluetooth/lightning won't catch on unless people have no choice but to use them" to which I reply, "If they are actually an improvement people will choose to use them given the choice, just like every other tech advancement".

You mean like the transition to digital TV broadcasts?

My first iPhone, a 3GS, supported Bluetooth. The lightning port has been there since the 5. If there was any significant advantage to not using the headphone jack, I, and a lot more people, would have stopped using it years ago. There's no revolutionary step forward here.

Flat screen HD TVs and digital broadcasts existed years before the world governments mandated a shut down of the analogue signals. But nobody was buying them. For most people CRT analogue TVs were fine and HD flat screens were luxuriously expensive. There were media campaigns warning people that the end of analogue was near, yet few did anything about it, despite the obvious superiority of digital broadcasts, likely because nobody had experienced them first hand. The day finally came, and it left millions without a TV signal, only receiving the sole analogue broadcast advertising the fact that analogue signals had been turned off, and that viewers would need an adapter to watch the new digital TV. Requests for the subsidized adapters surged, and vendors couldn't keep up with the demand. Suddenly sales of flat screen HD sets were in high demand despite the expense, and prices began to drop, and quality improved as competition increased. And even still, many opted to keep their old CRT TVs, rather than replace all the TVs in their house, so they bought adapters for them. There are still CRT TVs being used today that haven't been replaced since the transition.

So there's a real life example of how letting customers chose their own path doesn't work.
 
BT doesnt for work for me because I don't want another device to have to charge up.

Why can't posters like you or Apple understand that?

Use the adaptor then. There are also headphones that work with a cable or over Bluetooth. Personally anything I have that I will be plugging headphones into will be an Apple device with a lightening port. The adaptor won't even have to be taken off the end of the headphones.
 
Here's the thing. When you remove something, you need to replace it with a better alternative. We'll see what Apple offers. If they just remove it for the sake of reducing one component to keep the cost down then they can go to hell

The reason Apple is doing this is to be the middle man in all head phone sales. Apple gets to collect royalties from all headphone makers that use lighting connection.
 
Use the adaptor then. There are also headphones that work with a cable or over Bluetooth. Personally anything I have that I will be plugging headphones into will be an Apple device with a lightening port. The adaptor won't even have to be taken off the end of the headphones.

We'll need a splitter too to allow charging while listening. To me, I'd rather just keep using the status quo.

This new proposal isn't going to make my life easier.
 
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Use the adaptor then. There are also headphones that work with a cable or over Bluetooth. Personally anything I have that I will be plugging headphones into will be an Apple device with a lightening port. The adaptor won't even have to be taken off the end of the headphones.
For me, this will almost certainly have to be a third party products. Apple cables and I just don't get along for whatever reason. They tend to fray and fall apart. I can't imagine what they would look like in a sporting situation, where I imagine the cable receives much more physically stress than at home or in the car.

Still, it sounds like this is what users will have to deal with, so they'd better get used to it.
 
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