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Don't care. Got my AirPods and they are all I ever wanted.
Great sound with freedom of movement. No risk of wires getting in the way or ripping them out of my ears.
Yeah, on the the rare occasion I fly and want to use my trusted old Etymotic ear phones, I can use a dongle.
I'm still at a loss, shaking my head, at all you moaning minnies crying out for a built in phono connector.
Can't wait to find out next week what your going to be pissing and moaning about this year coming.
 
I've had every iPhone, except the original. I currently have the 7plus and like it the best. I like that it is water resistant and have forced me to convert everything to Bluetooth. I think it is weird when I see people on the subway or working out with wires attached to their phones. Great move on Apple's part, IMHO to get rid of the jack.

The headphone jack is not the one that makes the phone water resistant or not.
My Xperia Z3 compact and XZ both have the headphone jack and are water resistant.
The XZ even have the USB-C port exposing to the elements.
 
The part he left out of the video. It wouldn't get as many clicks if people knew he had to take something out to get to this. I also wonder about how water proof the phone would be with this jack? and what other mods would need to be done.

He didn’t leave that out of the video, it’s one of the first things he mentioned in the first few minutes of it.
 
If it took a huge company Courage to take it out, imagine the Courage by one guy to add it back in! haha

Incidentally, is there an app that uses the barometer? I see comments that point out his removing the barometer, is that even useful as of yet? Used in step/flight of stairs counting?
 
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CDs still provide better sound than the MP3s most people listen to.

Not sure how that is relavant when comparing 3.5mm jack being superior sound quality to BT....not to mention more people use a 3.5mm than BT if listening numbers are relevant to quality :)
 
That's not a good metric to use. There are a variety of factors such as investment in the ecosystem that made buying a jackless iphone an "involuntary" (for lack of a better word) purchase.

A better test would be to offer identical model iPhones with identical pricing with the only difference being the inclusion of a headphone jack. THOSE sales numbers would be interesting.
One of my family member traded her 6 plus to the 7 plus because it was getting old.
First thing she asked me (as the tech geek in the family), is that where the #$%& does the headphone plug into the damn phone?
And I suspect a lot of regular customers who do not follow the tech news often faced the same issue.
 
Not sure how that is relavant when comparing 3.5mm jack being superior sound quality to BT....not to mention more people use a 3.5mm than BT if listening numbers are relevant to quality :)

Do you read your own posts? The person said something about a CD tray, then you retorted aboit "only if CDs were better". :/

You brought up the comparison in quality.
 
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The removal of the headphone jack was a decision completely driven by revenue considerations. It surprises me how few of you understand this.

Apple used their market capitalisation to effectively force users to change.

They have enough liquidity to rival most sovereign states, and an RnD department that matches virtually any government. Do you honestly believe that if they wanted to do it they couldn't?

Does that sound remotely reasonable or logical to any of you? If a single man can do it, what the hell do you think they could do if they wanted?

It was purely a financial decision - and i applaud them for that. They are a business at the end of the day, the largest, unless you haven't noticed. Having that kind of power to force through change that maximises revenue and ultimately profit is all the company - any company - revolves around; if you think otherwise, you're a ****ing idiot and need to look at things objectively.

For the record I love my beats x, i had them fitted with snugs which has improved the sound quality massively. What will interest me is to see how long they last.
 
If it took a huge company Courage to take it out, imagine the Courage by one guy to add it back in! haha

Incidentally, is there an app that uses the barometer? I see comments that point out his removing the barometer, is that even useful as of yet? Used in step/flight of stairs counting?

I want to say some weather apps use it, but I could be wrong.
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The removal of the headphone jack was a decision completely driven by revenue considerations. It surprises me how few of you understand this.

Apple used their market capitalisation to effectively force users to change.

They have enough liquidity to rival most sovereign states, and an RnD department that matches virtually any government. Do you honestly believe that if they wanted to do it they couldn't?

Does that sound remotely reasonable or logical to any of you? If a single man can do it, what the hell do you think they could do if they wanted?

It was purely a financial decision - and i applaud them for that. They are a business at the end of the day, the largest, unless you haven't noticed. Having that kind of power to force through change that maximises revenue and ultimately profit is all the company - any company - revolves around; if you think otherwise, you're a ****ing idiot and need to look at things objectively.

For the record I love my beats x, i had them fitted with snugs which has improved the sound quality massively. What will interest me is to see how long they last.

I love when people throw out the word objective without actually being objective.
 
I want to say some weather apps use it, but I could be wrong.
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I love when people throw out the word objective without actually being objective.

That is objective, that is how a company operates. That is the definition of objectivity in this context. Go for the strawman if you like, but that's a fact, it's literally an indisputable one.
 
Approaching 200 posts with this, obviously hit a nerve :p. I'm still disappointed with the loss of the audio jack. There have been a few times when I've wanted to listen to a podcast with my earpods and charge the phone at the same time. I haven't seen very well designed adapters for this use case, anyone here have?

I have found a small, inexpensive, decent Y cable on Amazon that allows charging and listening while travelling. The sad reality is that Apple made a change in iOS 10.3 that killed most 3rd party dongles (error with not a valid accessory...) but there are new versions out now that once again work.

The bad news is that I haven't found any adaptor dongle that supports a headset's microphone or the headset's remote controls like on all of my family's BOSE noise cancelling headsets that we travel with.

I will never buy an Apple audio accessory on principal now, F'em.
 
That is objective, that is how a company operates. That is the definition of objectivity in this context. Go for the strawman if you like, but that's a fact, it's literally an indisputable one.

How is it more objective to say it's money related when we can look at the insides of the phone and see that the space is being used? Go ahead, explain it to me.
 
How is it more objective to say it's money related when we can look at the insides of the phone and see that the space is being used? Go ahead, explain it to me.

In its current iteration, sure. Do you honestly and reasonably believe that Apple could not find an engineering solution that would provide for the port and not compromise? Really? After some random guy has done it?

Dude.

As for the objectivity, I stated i applaud them for their decision - it makes perfect financial sense. Moreover, i even own a pair of Beats X and love them.
 
In its current iteration, sure. Do you honestly and reasonably believe that Apple could not find an engineering solution that would provide for the port and not compromise? Really? After some random guy has done it?

Dude.

As for the objectivity, I stated i applaud them for their decision - it makes perfect financial sense. Moreover, i even own a pair of Beats X and love them.

Except they didn't want to change the shell that the parts go in. That's where the greed comes in, wanting to spend a few dollars less per phone to not have to really change the killing process.
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The lack of the dedicated headphone jack was the main reason why I bought another 6S (this time Plus).

What are you going to do when it never comes back?
 
My hat is off to this man. This is someone I can truly appreciate, someone that made something that is worth watching.
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Except they didn't want to change the shell that the parts go in. That's where the greed comes in, wanting to spend a few dollars less per phone to not have to really change the killing process.
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What are you going to do when it never comes back?

Yeh no, i'm sorry but this is simple corporate strategy. Apple will have planned for this years in advance and will have a department dedicated to implementing this strategy. Spending a few dollars less per phone versus the RnD it would take to simply modify it to accept the jack does not add up; especially when one guy did it (literally, a guy) - as evidenced here.

This is similarly simple corporate finance, if you don't get it then fine, but try to understand that Apple, as a company, are taking a long-term view on this. They are altering the market, using their financial muscle and ability to capitalise on people (like yourself, who buy into the brand) to maximise revenue and secure their position in the long term.

This is pretty obvious and i'm not going to say more on the matter. I just felt the need to comment because i'm actually someone who works in this field and was pretty stunned at how much a lot of you were just buying into it. I guess i really underestimated how loyal their customers are.

It's a little frightening really, whether or not you understand these concepts is irrelevant. If one guy can do this, without the world's largest RnD department behind him, do you honestly not believe Cook could snap his fingers and ten days later there would be a solution?

Anyway, feel free to have the last word. I kind of know this for a fact and was just trying to educate a few people here who have clearly - and i hate to use this expression, as a brit - 'drunk the koolaid'. Go read up on it if you're interested in the subject, i suggest 'Brealey and Myers, Corporate Finance' for a beginner.

oh edit: like i said, i'm a brit. If you doubt my assertion that this is what i do then ask yourself why i'm awake at 3am GMT on a Friday night. I'm a quant, I work in IB, i don't get time off. This thread has just taken me aback a little which is why i felt the need to contribute.
 
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I would love to know the stats for how many are wanting a headphone jack but gagging for wireless charging..

Maybe Apple wanted to make some more money from BT headphones, but no-one was ever forced to buy them or even from Apple. They even included an inline adapter with the new handset to carry on as before. The new narrative is wireless. Leave your phone elsewhere in the house on wireless charge and access audio=wireless headphones, notifications/minor replies etc=watch/mac.

Choosing to remove the charging cable, to replace it with a headphone cable to keep yourself anchored to the desk..?
 
What are you going to do when it never comes back?

That is an excellent question... Eventually I'll get on board, I guess. I have two pairs of wireless Beats. They will work. By then I'll be ready for a new pair of headphones, so maybe just buy nice wireless earbuds along with the phone?

I have no idea.
 
They don't gain control by removing the headphone jack, though. Bluetooth still exists and it's only a matter of time before knockoff adapters are sold (if not already)

Yes, but knockoffs do not work against control. Apple's official excuses for removing the jack are shot down, anyway. It's not a matter of lack of space, it's not a matter of waterproof. So why did they do it ?
 
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Yes, but knockoffs do not work against control. Apple's official excuses for removing the jack are shot down, anyway. It's not a matter of lack of space, it's not a matter of waterproof. So why did they do it ?

How are they shot down? Tell me how they could have fit everything they did into the case they were using while making it waterproof.
 
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