iPhone 7 Modded to Include Fully Functional 3.5mm Headphone Jack

[paulywalnuts23]

Except that Apple has been doing this sort of stuff long before they became the financial juggernaut they are today. The dropping of the floppy disk with the first iMac, the removal of the cd drive and practically every other port for the MacBook Air. They weren’t afraid to challenge the status quo even when they were on the brink of bankruptcy, and had the most to lose by “intentionally sabotaging” their products.

Apple does this because above everything else, they see themselves not as a tech company but as a design company. They pride themselves on using great design to rethink the user experience and reinvent the manner in which people interact with their devices. They do it not to make make a few quick bucks off the sales of dongles and adaptors but because they believe. They believe that such a move, while it will hurt in the short run, will be worth it (both for them and the customers) in the long run.

This boldness. This conviction. This “courage” is precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book (and yes, so so irritating to others). That they march to their own beat and not give a crap about what everyone else is doing.

Very well said.

 

[antonis]

How are they shot down? Tell me how they could have fit everything they did into the case they were using while making it waterproof.

The vast majority of people always choose the official adapter/cable/charger. Hence going proprietary is all about money grabbing - it is self-explanatory and doesn't need much explanation.

How would I make it waterproof ? Why don't you ask the guy in the article who already did it instead of believing everything apple throws at us as a dogma. Alternatively you may ask a number of other smartphone manufacturers that made waterproof devices long before apple did, while maintaining the headphone jack. How did they do it ?

I guess according to apple, going with the dumb and proprietary thunderbolt port instead of usb-C is also the only way to be waterproof ? I also guess that the fact that you cannot listen music and charge at the same time on an iPhone (something that is a given for almost everybody else) is considered a futuristic feature or something ?
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The same reason why Apple blocked flash on iOS, to promote creation of native apps in the App Store and push for developers to adopt html 5 by making the environment so hostile that flash is completely and utterly unable to thrive at all.

You cannot usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack.

That is complete nonsense. Flash was never in iOS because it was a battery-eater. Jobs himself explained that. Other than that, Apple is well known for locking things up. Who exactly is benefited by the proprietary thunderbolt connector ? Certainly not you or me as consumers. Heck, you cannot even connect an apple phone to an apple computer.

Changes are good, as long as they are done under a specific condition: they have to be better than the one they are replacing. Apple is so good of doing the opposite lately.

 

[LordVic]

How are they shot down? Tell me how they could have fit everything they did into the case they were using while making it waterproof.

ask how everyone else who have managed to waterproof their phones were able to do so with 3.5mm headphone jacks intact?

are you claiming Apple's engineers aren't up to the same quality as other companies engineers?

the 3.5mm port has been capable of being water proofed for years.

 

[840quadra]

I'll have to see where I end up going. I used to hate apple products, but got pulled in with the iPod back in 2003 and slowly began to buy into their ecosystem because I liked where they were headed with things. But I have always been a multiplatform user. I use a Windows desktop that I built myself for gaming and heavy workloads. Ever since Steve passed, apple has slowly been moving away from the company I had begun to really like and turn into just another tech company. They still make some really good products, but I think I am more saddened just watching a company that used to have vision just start going after the easy money rather than the user experience. Honestly, I think this is the beginning of the end for me and apple.

Tech diversity is always a good thing, as well as keeping up to speed on using it all. I am by no means an Apple only Zealot. I have a gaming PC / Hackintosh that boots into 3 OS’s, (Mac, Linux, Windows 10), Android and iOS phones, and various classic MacOS machines in my little collection. It is fun to be able to switch on the fly, and enjoy different aspects of the various other environments.

I am also a strong believer in voting with a wallet, so if there is a feature you dislike on a given platform, don’t buy it. My stance hasn’t changed much on the new Touchbar MBP, I am still holding onto my 2015 model until I decide on my next purchase. But, that is for a different thread.

 

[dilbert99]

That's like me modding my 2017 MacBook with a CD drive.

Not really, with a 2017 macbook, you can plug in a CD drive.
With an Iphone without a headphone jack, you can't charge it in your car and connect it to the AUX port at the same time.
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He really HAD so be in Shenzhen to make this..... NOT.

And such a pointless waste of time..

And point out that Apple could have kept the headphone port.
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Okay, could you continue with why you think this is a greed move and not an internal space issue?

to sell wireless headphones

 

[NecroKill]

The vast majority of people always choose the official adapter/cable/charger. Hence going proprietary is all about money grabbing - it is self-explanatory and doesn't need much explanation.

How would I make it waterproof ? Why don't you ask the guy in the article who already did it instead of believing everything apple throws at us as a dogma. Alternatively you may ask a number of other smartphone manufacturers that made waterproof devices long before apple did, while maintaining the headphone jack. How did they do it ?

I guess according to apple, going with the dumb and proprietary thunderbolt port instead of usb-C is also the only way to be waterproof ? I also guess that the fact that you cannot listen music and charge at the same time on an iPhone (something that is a given for almost everybody else) is considered a futuristic feature or something ?
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That is complete nonsense. Flash was never in iOS because it was a battery-eater. Jobs himself explained that. Other than that, Apple is well known for locking things up. Who exactly is benefited by the proprietary thunderbolt connector ? Certainly not you or me as consumers. Heck, you cannot even connect an apple phone to an apple computer.

Changes are good, as long as they are done under a specific condition: they have to be better than the one they are replacing. Apple is so good of doing the opposite lately.

Actually it's not nonsense. There was an article recently about that which i can't find saying that the reason MAIN Jobs decided against Flash wasn't battery or performance.

http://bgr.com/2016/12/12/steve-jobs-iphone-adobe-flash-testing/

 

[Michael Goff]

The vast majority of people always choose the official adapter/cable/charger. Hence going proprietary is all about money grabbing - it is self-explanatory and doesn't need much explanation.

How would I make it waterproof ? Why don't you ask the guy in the article who already did it instead of believing everything apple throws at us as a dogma. Alternatively you may ask a number of other smartphone manufacturers that made waterproof devices long before apple did, while maintaining the headphone jack. How did they do it ?

I guess according to apple, going with the dumb and proprietary thunderbolt port instead of usb-C is also the only way to be waterproof ? I also guess that the fact that you cannot listen music and charge at the same time on an iPhone (something that is a given for almost everybody else) is considered a futuristic feature or something ?
[doublepost=1504874850][/doublepost]

That is complete nonsense. Flash was never in iOS because it was a battery-eater. Jobs himself explained that. Other than that, Apple is well known for locking things up. Who exactly is benefited by the proprietary thunderbolt connector ? Certainly not you or me as consumers. Heck, you cannot even connect an apple phone to an apple computer.

Changes are good, as long as they are done under a specific condition: they have to be better than the one they are replacing. Apple is so good of doing the opposite lately.

Are we talking about the guy in the article that took the barometric vent off and damaged the device? Oh yeah, I'll totally ask him.

ask how everyone else who have managed to waterproof their phones were able to do so with 3.5mm headphone jacks intact?

are you claiming Apple's engineers aren't up to the same quality as other companies engineers?

the 3.5mm port has been capable of being water proofed for years.

You mean all those guys who don't have a giant taptic engine in their phones? Sure, I'll ask them.

 

[LordVic]

Are we talking about the guy in the article that took the barometric vent off and damaged the device? Oh yeah, I'll totally ask him.



You mean all those guys who don't have a giant taptic engine in their phones? Sure, I'll ask them.

A giant taptic engine to replicate a button.. that is a replacement for the button. so that the new "button" can replicate the identical functionality of the button it replaced.

yes. That's a completely nonsensical move. again, proves that Apple did not need to remove the headphone jack. They could have left the home button as a regular button (again, buttons can be, and have been waterproofed)

the new homebutton reminds me of the old Mighty mouse, where Apple instead of actually making the mouse ball click, put a tiny speaker in the mouse to make the click sound instead. it's completely unnecessary complications for the sake of complications. Defies the "KISS" mentality of using the simplest method of accomplishing a goal.

 

[NecroKill]

A giant taptic engine to replicate a button.. that is a replacement for the button. so that the new "button" can replicate the identical functionality of the button it replaced.

yes. That's a completely nonsensical move. again, proves that Apple did not need to remove the headphone jack. They could have left the home button as a regular button (again, buttons can be, and have been waterproofed)

the new homebutton reminds me of the old Mighty mouse, where Apple instead of actually making the mouse ball click, put a tiny speaker in the mouse to make the click sound instead. it's completely unnecessary complications for the sake of complications. Defies the "KISS" mentality of using the simplest method of accomplishing a goal.

The sense of entitlement and lack of reason on your part is mind boggling.

 

[Michael Goff]

A giant taptic engine to replicate a button.. that is a replacement for the button. so that the new "button" can replicate the identical functionality of the button it replaced.

yes. That's a completely nonsensical move. again, proves that Apple did not need to remove the headphone jack. They could have left the home button as a regular button (again, buttons can be, and have been waterproofed)

the new homebutton reminds me of the old Mighty mouse, where Apple instead of actually making the mouse ball click, put a tiny speaker in the mouse to make the click sound instead. it's completely unnecessary complications for the sake of complications. Defies the "KISS" mentality of using the simplest method of accomplishing a goal.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what the taptic engine does.

 

[Burger Thing]

Yes, people have repeated the same nonsense. But in the shell they chose, and I doubt they chose the shell just to remove the headphone jack, there was no way. They made the taptic engine bigger and made the phone waterproof. That meant the barometer needed the vent that the man removed.

It has been repeated, ad nauseam, that there was a space issue. This has been said by Apple's engineers, showed off by iFixit, and commented on by multiple people in the indusry.

How naive are you? Seriously, I have to ask the question?

What do you expect? That Apple left a big glaring hole in the inside of the shell to prove to the world that they removed the port for profits sake? Are you taking everyone for gospel Schiller and Co are telling you? Bigger Taptic Engine and Barometric Vent... LMAO. You sound like Apple was forced to stick to that design stigma. Maybe they could have used the the Taptic Engine which is used in various Android devices which manage to provide the same (if not more functionality) as the iPhone PLUS a headphone jack? Looking at you, old obsolete Sony Xperia. I liked your Taptic Engine. Strong. Did I mention that it had a headphone jack and was waterproof?

Watch out for the iPhone 10. Maybe they make the Taptic Engine as big as a 5 € coin and include a windsock and anenometer. The speakers (old technology anyway, it's analog) will have to go. Functionality will be provided by an externally available adapter.

Michael Goff will be cheering and arguing Apple didn't have a choice. After all the Taptic Engine got bigger. Plus the Anenometer!

But in the meantime: since the iPhone 8 won't have a home button and therefore would not need a huuuuge Taptic Engine: can we a have the headphone jack back? Please?

 

[LordVic]

I'm starting to think you don't understand what the taptic engine does.

great "gatekeeping" there. The Taptic engine is to provide haptic feedback to interactions with the device with a linear actuation motor.

However, where you're failing again is that the iPhone 7 wasn't the first iphone with the Taptic engine. The iPhone 6s included it, while still having a physical home button and a headphone jack.

the reason that the Taptic Engine is larger in the 7 is to emulate the home button clicking. this functionality is a replacement for a real home button.

The question you have to ask is why did Apple decide to rid themselves of a physical clicking button, only to replace it with a mock physical clicking button, that forced them to compromise internal layout.

The decision to use the taptic engine as replacement for the physical home button didn't add any new functionality or interaction to the iPhone. So why did Apple go this route?

you keep repeating the Apple line of thinking, but you don't, or aren't willing to show critical analysis of the decision.

The sense of entitlement and lack of reason on your part is mind boggling.

Nice ad-hominem. Instead of saying i'm acting entitled, or not using reason, how about actually refuting the claims?


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The simple fact, that both of you keep stickin your fingers in your ears was there was no technical reason that Apple needed to make the iPhone 7 the way they did. There was no necessity to replace the home button with a mock home button, forcing them to expand the taptic engine that already was in the iPhone, and then leaving space in the phone un-used. it seems like Apple purposely over-engineered the taptic engine/button replacement for the sake of it, and then used that as an excuse for "courage" to remove the most used audio jack in the world. Especially when competitors have managed to provide haptic response in their phones, physical homebuttons, headphone jacks and waterproofing all together.

this leads me to believe that this decision was either a rush job that wasn't well thought out by Apple, or Apple intentionally was looking for an excuse to remove the headphone jack in order to monetize and drive users to their own revenue sources (Beats/Airpods/MFI based devices).

 

[NecroKill]

great "gatekeeping" there. The Taptic engine is to provide haptic feedback to interactions with the device with a linear actuation motor.

However, where you're failing again is that the iPhone 7 wasn't the first iphone with the Taptic engine. The iPhone 6s included it, while still having a physical home button and a headphone jack.

the reason that the Taptic Engine is larger in the 7 is to emulate the home button clicking. this functionality is a replacement for a real home button.

The question you have to ask is why did Apple decide to rid themselves of a physical clicking button, only to replace it with a mock physical clicking button, that forced them to compromise internal layout.

The decision to use the taptic engine as replacement for the physical home button didn't add any new functionality or interaction to the iPhone. So why did Apple go this route?

you keep repeating the Apple line of thinking, but you don't, or aren't willing to show critical analysis of the decision.


Nice ad-hominem. Instead of saying i'm acting entitled, or not using reason, how about actually refuting the claims?


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The simple fact, that both of you keep stickin your fingers in your ears was there was no technical reason that Apple needed to make the iPhone 7 the way they did. There was no necessity to replace the home button with a mock home button, forcing them to expand the taptic engine that already was in the iPhone, and then leaving space in the phone un-used. it seems like Apple purposely over-engineered the taptic engine/button replacement for the sake of it, and then used that as an excuse for "courage" to remove the most used audio jack in the world. Especially when competitors have managed to provide haptic response in their phones, physical homebuttons, headphone jacks and waterproofing all together.

this leads me to believe that this decision was either a rush job that wasn't well thought out by Apple, or Apple intentionally was looking for an excuse to remove the headphone jack in order to monetize and drive users to their own revenue sources (Beats/Airpods/MFI based devices).

There is nothing to refute here. It is what it is and if you can't man up and just live according to that then i feel sorry for you. In the mean time normal and reasonable people who by the way have been using wireless headphones for many years before this just continued to live their lives without obsessing about insignificant things like these. Oh and also you got your minijack to lightning dongle, so you have everything the same as it was with a little port change and while you can't listen and charge at the same time this does not come up so often to be a real point. You can't do many thing while doing something else, that's life. Man up, suck it up or vote with your wallet and stop wasting my time.

 

[LordVic]

There is nothing to refute here. It is what it is and if you can't man up and just live according to that then i feel sorry for you. In the mean time normal and reasonable people who by the way have been using wireless headphones for many years before this just continued to live their lives without obsessing about insignificant things like these. Oh and also you got your minijack to lightning dongle, so you have everything the same as it was with a little port change and while you can't listen and charge at the same time this does not come up so often to be a real point. You can't do many thing while doing something else, that's life. Man up, suck it up or vote with your wallet and stop wasting my time.

I'm being critical that's all. At the end of the day, you're right. Either buy it and llive with the shortcomings, or move on.

I have chosen to not buy any phone that does not come with a headphone jack.

all i'm discussing in this thread is that the reasons that those I responded to, are factually wrong.

the often repeated excuses are:
1. Waterproofing
Again, verifiably false as waterproof phones exist that still have the headphone jack. As well, the home button could have also been made waterproof as evidenced by many of the other devices.

2. Taptic Engine made larger
Again, not a real good reason when the only reason it was enlarged was to provide identical functionality they already had previous with no added functionality or user interaction, making this "upgrade" a useless upgrade.

3. Barometric pressure sensor:
Another item that have been implmented without the need for a giant gap in the device covered by a rubber block.


repeating any of these 3 things as excuses as to why it was necessary to drop the headphone jack is disingenous at best, or out right ignorant at worst. I'm going to believe that it's not intentional misleading people.

I still stand by that the iPhone 6S is the current best iPhone you can buy because it features all features. has a taptic engine, and headphone jack. the only thing to watch out for is the lack of optical image stabilization in the 6s' camera.

 

[NecroKill]

I'm being critical that's all. At the end of the day, you're right. Either buy it and llive with the shortcomings, or move on.

I have chosen to not buy any phone that does not come with a headphone jack.

all i'm discussing in this thread is that the reasons that those I responded to, are factually wrong.

the often repeated excuses are:
1. Waterproofing
Again, verifiably false as waterproof phones exist that still have the headphone jack. As well, the home button could have also been made waterproof as evidenced by many of the other devices.

2. Taptic Engine made larger
Again, not a real good reason when the only reason it was enlarged was to provide identical functionality they already had previous with no added functionality or user interaction, making this "upgrade" a useless upgrade.

3. Barometric pressure sensor:
Another item that have been implmented without the need for a giant gap in the device covered by a rubber block.


repeating any of these 3 things as excuses as to why it was necessary to drop the headphone jack is disingenous at best, or out right ignorant at worst. I'm going to believe that it's not intentional misleading people.

I still stand by that the iPhone 6S is the current best iPhone you can buy because it features all features. has a taptic engine, and headphone jack. the only thing to watch out for is the lack of optical image stabilization in the 6s' camera.

Who the **** cares? The decision has been made to remove it and it has been removed. What are the shortcomings you speak about? Wireless works the same way as it has always worked, and wired still works as it has always worked. I will repeat again normal and reasonable people didn't think about this for a second, because there is nothing to think about.

If you don't like it then great go buy something else it's a free market, if enough people do that maybe Apple will revisit this "removed feature", but i have a feeling you shouldn't have high hopes about that happening.

 

[LordVic]

wired still works as it has always worked

except it doesn't. that was the only point I was trying to make before the people i responded to started making up BS.

with the ipHone 7, removal of the headphone jack, usage of the wired audio is more capable of being monetized by Apple. Previously, any 3.5mm headphone would work nativly without adapter or any revenues towards Apple.

Without the 3.5mm jack, you either have to use an adapter (potential revenues for those who lose the one that comes with the phone), or an MFI based wired device which requires royalty payments to Apple to use the MFI licensing.


the original discussion wasn't on the merits of the headphone jack, but the purpose to why Apple removed it. it's gone. i'm not bitching about bringing it back. I'm just stating that the decision to remove it was more rooted in monetization than in user benefits (to which there are little to none)

 

[Michael Goff]

How naive are you? Seriously, I have to ask the question?

What do you expect? That Apple left a big glaring hole in the inside of the shell to prove to the world that they removed the port for profits sake? Are you taking everyone for gospel Schiller and Co are telling you? Bigger Taptic Engine and Barometric Vent... LMAO. You sound like Apple was forced to stick to that design stigma. Maybe they could have used the the Taptic Engine which is used in various Android devices which manage to provide the same (if not more functionality) as the iPhone PLUS a headphone jack? Looking at you, old obsolete Sony Xperia. I liked your Taptic Engine. Strong. Did I mention that it had a headphone jack and was waterproof?

Watch out for the iPhone 10. Maybe they make the Taptic Engine as big as a 5 € coin and include a windsock and anenometer. The speakers (old technology anyway, it's analog) will have to go. Functionality will be provided by an externally available adapter.

Michael Goff will be cheering and arguing Apple didn't have a choice. After all the Taptic Engine got bigger. Plus the Anenometer!

But in the meantime: since the iPhone 8 won't have a home button and therefore would not need a huuuuge Taptic Engine: can we a have the headphone jack back? Please?

The barometric vent was needed if you want a working barometer and a waterproof phone. And you're really going to tell me the haptic engine used by most Android phones is as good as the taptic engine used by Apple? Laughable.

Apple used the space for what they thought was important.

Also, nice strawman.

Learn the difference between a haptic engine and Apple's taptic engine.

great "gatekeeping" there. The Taptic engine is to provide haptic feedback to interactions with the device with a linear actuation motor.

However, where you're failing again is that the iPhone 7 wasn't the first iphone with the Taptic engine. The iPhone 6s included it, while still having a physical home button and a headphone jack.

the reason that the Taptic Engine is larger in the 7 is to emulate the home button clicking. this functionality is a replacement for a real home button.

The question you have to ask is why did Apple decide to rid themselves of a physical clicking button, only to replace it with a mock physical clicking button, that forced them to compromise internal layout.

The decision to use the taptic engine as replacement for the physical home button didn't add any new functionality or interaction to the iPhone. So why did Apple go this route?

you keep repeating the Apple line of thinking, but you don't, or aren't willing to show critical analysis of the decision.


Nice ad-hominem. Instead of saying i'm acting entitled, or not using reason, how about actually refuting the claims?


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The simple fact, that both of you keep stickin your fingers in your ears was there was no technical reason that Apple needed to make the iPhone 7 the way they did. There was no necessity to replace the home button with a mock home button, forcing them to expand the taptic engine that already was in the iPhone, and then leaving space in the phone un-used. it seems like Apple purposely over-engineered the taptic engine/button replacement for the sake of it, and then used that as an excuse for "courage" to remove the most used audio jack in the world. Especially when competitors have managed to provide haptic response in their phones, physical homebuttons, headphone jacks and waterproofing all together.

this leads me to believe that this decision was either a rush job that wasn't well thought out by Apple, or Apple intentionally was looking for an excuse to remove the headphone jack in order to monetize and drive users to their own revenue sources (Beats/Airpods/MFI based devices).

Actually, the larger taptic engine also helps with non-home button things as well. But let's go with the home button question. One step closer to their goal of just screen by getting people used to the idea of not having a physical button.

 

[NecroKill]

except it doesn't. that was the only point I was trying to make before the people i responded to started making up BS.

with the ipHone 7, removal of the headphone jack, usage of the wired audio is more capable of being monetized by Apple. Previously, any 3.5mm headphone would work nativly without adapter or any revenues towards Apple.

Without the 3.5mm jack, you either have to use an adapter (potential revenues for those who lose the one that comes with the phone), or an MFI based wired device which requires royalty payments to Apple to use the MFI licensing.


the original discussion wasn't on the merits of the headphone jack, but the purpose to why Apple removed it. it's gone. i'm not bitching about bringing it back. I'm just stating that the decision to remove it was more rooted in monetization than in user benefits (to which there are little to none)

Oh the evil adapter and the conspiracy to rob everyone of their money. In times like these i feel there is no hope for human kind.

 

[LordVic]

Oh the evil adapter and the conspiracy to rob everyone of their money. In times like these i feel there is no hope for human kind.

it's not a conspiracy. it's business.

I'm not passing judgement on that. Apple made a decision based on business goals. Just like any and all businesses typically do.

you're the one whose trying to imply bias in my statement. What I find amusing is that mentioning the business reason suddenly gets peoples panties in a knot that they start making excuses FOR Apple that just aren't true.

Apple makes business decisions. this is reality. the removal of the headphone jack was a business decision. that is all. nothing else implied, no bias intended.

 

[antonis]

Oh the evil adapter and the conspiracy to rob everyone of their money. In times like these i feel there is no hope for human kind.

Indeed, there isn't. Sheep seem to be taking over.

I've read everything in this forums. Even excuses for apple products than even apple themselves apologized for and called them a fail. There's no hope indeed.
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You mean all those guys who don't have a giant taptic engine in their phones? Sure, I'll ask them.

Well, you obviously prefer to ask the guys who make computers and phones than cannot be connected with each other due to totally unnecessary proprietary ports. Sure, your choice.
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Actually it's not nonsense. There was an article recently about that which i can't find saying that the reason MAIN Jobs decided against Flash wasn't battery or performance.

http://bgr.com/2016/12/12/steve-jobs-iphone-adobe-flash-testing/

Nice. Let's believe a random article by someone and not Steve Jobs' own public note about Flash. Let's also ignore the proven fact that Flash was a no-go from the beginning for virtually any device working on battery. And let's ignore the fact that even android phones and tablets that claimed to include flash, failed miserably at it, since it was a battery and performance disaster.

 

[Michael Goff]

Indeed, there isn't. Sheep seem to be taking over.

I've read everything in this forums. Even excuses for apple products than even apple themselves apologized for and called them a fail. There's no hope indeed.
[doublepost=1504891527][/doublepost]

Well, you obviously prefer to ask the guys who make computers and phones than cannot be connected with each other due to totally unnecessary proprietary ports. Sure, your choice.
[doublepost=1504891878][/doublepost]

Nice. Let's believe a random article by someone and not Steve Jobs' own public note about Flash. Let's also ignore the proven fact that Flash was a no-go from the beginning for virtually any device working on battery. And let's ignore the fact that even android phones and tablets that claimed to include flash, failed miserably at it, since it was a battery and performance disaster.

Yes, I prefer to ask the people that made the phone.

 

[az431]

Not nonsense at all. I think removing ports that a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ few people use is nonsense.

Fixed it for you.

 

[vvs14]

Fixed it for you.

Does using phrases like 'Fixed it for you' make you feel cool or smart? I typed what I wanted to, which is accurate and I don't need anyone to fix it. If you have an opinion of your own, mention it in a different post. Literally every person I know uses USB port, HDMI port and SD card slot. All of which is missing now.

 

[LordVic]

Fixed it for you.

just out of curiosity. do you think nobody uses USB-A devices still?

they are by far, the most prolific devices currently in the world that use USB. will this change? Hopefully. But as of right now, USB-A is the standard port that is available across virtually every single computer in the world.

I think Apple's push for USB-C is correct. But it wouldn't have killed them to make one of those 4 ports a ASB-A port for a transition period. they could have fit it. In fact, that two of the USB-C ports don't receive full PCI-E lanes to be able to use the full bandwidth of ThunderBolt-3 could have been a good set of PCI-E lanes to dedicate to a USB-A legacy port.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

In b4 "apple should have done this"

Why?
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Great, next project: add a few ports to the MacBook Pro

It already HAS the equivalent of up to 56 "Legacy" Ports; what more do you need???
[doublepost=1504893699][/doublepost]

I think it's worth noting he did remove the "barometric vent".

So if you remove that then it seems feasible to put in a headphone jack.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/...lastic-behind-where-headphone-jack-used-to-be

And screw any hope of a "height" sensor (altimeter), as well as compromise the water-seal.

Nice going! (NOT!)
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To be consistent he should start a project to add wires to AirPods.

Exactly!

And just as "smart".
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Must be fake. Apple said there was not enough room.

There isn't.
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The sound quality is still superior to wireless headphones.... and they never need to be charged. And they cost way less.

They might be superior to regular BT headphones; but not to ones that use AAC, like the AirPods.

Can't argue with your point about charging; but as far as "cost way less", you do realize, of course, that there are PUHLENTY of wired headphones/earbuds that cost WAAAAAAAY more than AirPods, right?
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Says you. They're extremely convenient to me cuz I can't be bothered to keep yet another device always charged... and I do NOT respect garbage sound quality at 3 times the price.

Seems like you don't care much for SQ.

Hmmm. You claim "Garbage Sound Quality", yet you sound like you have never tried them.