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iPhone 7 no headphone Jack Petition
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OK cool, here's the thing though, nothing you guys are complaining about here is going to change what Apple does. Don't buy the product if you dislike the change.
Small adapters get lost. The one venue I take care of, we keep an assortment of 6' cables. 1/4 to 1/4. 3.5 to 3.5. 1/4 to 3.5. They never walk away. And then we're back to the play and charge issue.
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Yep. Just moved from Android. Still miss some stuff about it. I have this 6S for 2 years. I'll see then, but that's one strike against Apple.
Congrats, Lenomoto already started the process there with the Moto Z or whatever it was this week.
And they're getting questioned why on XDA.
http://www.xda-developers.com/killing-the-port-how-simple-is-changing-into-needlessly-complicated/
Of course we won't change what Apple does, because there are so many Apple fanboys that readily follow any Apple spins. There is nothing to gain for us - the users. Only Big Apple will make millions on new beats-headphones, adapters and license fees. And we are told whatever necessary to pay happily for Apples greediness.
That's right. People who post their conspiracy theories about how Apple has no reason other than to gouge the customer for Lightning license fees, and profit off needless adapters, are simply overlooking the fact that even Apple isn't arrogant enough to make such a huge unilateral move if their competition weren't in the exact same boat. And Moto is seemingly proof that the future of the flagship smartphone is going to be free of the 3.5mm headphone jack to better utilize the limited space on such a small design.
And I have to laugh that the "unable to charge while you listen meme" is even still being repeated by anyone at this juncture. The technology to solve this problem has been around since electricity was invented! But desperate and cynical people will say anything to mislead others into believing that Apple is the evil organization they'd have you believe it is with their tin-foil hat ideologies. And who doesn't love the implied claim that Lightning adapters will be so much harder to keep track of than analogue adapters?
Look before I even say anything else, putting pro in quotes is a just plain childish thing. I could run down my pro bona fides but it does not matter.
I've been in pro work that uses headphones off and on since the 90's. Okay little man?
As far as a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter, that is not even an issue. They arecheap, tiny, captive adapters. I leave one plugged into the front of all my MOTU units in case I need to troubleshoot. I have a couple in the pencil can on my desk. There are one or two in my messenger bag, and in my camera bag and in my stage box. Because they are cheap as a bottle of water, and like a bottle of water you can find them almost anywhere. Radio Shack, Walgreens, B&H Photo, Guitar Center, Monoprice etc.
They are also passive components. You can wash a 1/4-1/8th adapter with your jeans and not even worry.
Now a lightning to 1/8th adapter will be an active device. Will cost more than $1, by a fair bit. And will only be available from Apple and a few other places. It will likely be bigger than a 1/4-1/8" adapter. And wont take to being washed in your jeans.
More important. If I leave the house to ride the train in to town and forget my 1/4 to 1/8" adapter I am not stressing, my phones plug right in. I only need those adapters next to the kind of big heavy things that have 1/4" headphone jacks. Mixers, high end hifi, my old DAT machine for when I need to play an old DAT
. When you need the adapter just to hear your phone that is kind of dumb.
Also, how about my mom, and your uncle and Billy-Bob over there that dont care about audio or listening to music on their phones. They just want to plug in headphones while they talk on the phone. Now they need special headphones?
I had a hard enough time selling my mom on the idea of stepping up to UrbanEars over the $2.99 garbage CVS sells.
Forced obsolescence is nothing new from Apple. (Magsafe wasn't that much bigger than Magsafe2). But nothing is wrong with 1/8" jacks.
Frankly I dont get why Apple is always fixing things that aren't broken when Xcode still crashes pretty regularly, and just about every new IOS update screws the pooch in some regard. I still cant get over that they shipped the current Mac Pro with no Kensington Lock Slot. Yeah great, my $10k computer that fits in a backpack, cant be secured to a desk? Seems like Marketing is driving the car.
Look before I even say anything else, putting pro in quotes is a just plain childish thing. I could run down my pro bona fides but it does not matter.
I've been in pro work that uses headphones off and on since the 90's. Okay little man?
As far as a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter, that is not even an issue. They arecheap, tiny, captive adapters. I leave one plugged into the front of all my MOTU units in case I need to troubleshoot. I have a couple in the pencil can on my desk. There are one or two in my messenger bag, and in my camera bag and in my stage box. Because they are cheap as a bottle of water, and like a bottle of water you can find them almost anywhere. Radio Shack, Walgreens, B&H Photo, Guitar Center, Monoprice etc.
They are also passive components. You can wash a 1/4-1/8th adapter with your jeans and not even worry.
Now a lightning to 1/8th adapter will be an active device. Will cost more than $1, by a fair bit. And will only be available from Apple and a few other places. It will likely be bigger than a 1/4-1/8" adapter. And wont take to being washed in your jeans.
More important. If I leave the house to ride the train in to town and forget my 1/4 to 1/8" adapter I am not stressing, my phones plug right in. I only need those adapters next to the kind of big heavy things that have 1/4" headphone jacks. Mixers, high end hifi, my old DAT machine for when I need to play an old DAT
When you need the adapter just to hear your phone that is kind of dumb.
Also, how about my mom, and your uncle and Billy-Bob over there that dont care about audio or listening to music on their phones. They just want to plug in headphones while they talk on the phone. Now they need special headphones?
I had a hard enough time selling my mom on the idea of stepping up to UrbanEars over the $2.99 garbage CVS sells.
Forced obsolescence is nothing new from Apple. (Magsafe wasn't that much bigger than Magsafe2). But nothing is wrong with 1/8" jacks.
Frankly I dont get why Apple is always fixing things that aren't broken when Xcode still crashes pretty regularly, and just about every new IOS update screws the pooch in some regard. I still cant get over that they shipped the current Mac Pro with no Kensington Lock Slot. Yeah great, my $10k computer that fits in a backpack, cant be secured to a desk? Seems like Marketing is driving the car.
So you're familiar with Xcode, likely meaning your a developer. Could you point to the last complex app you released to millions of users that didn't have a bug?
People are so quick to get in a jab at each thing being buggy yet forget that it is entirely IMPOSSIBLE to fix every bug that people find later on in the initial build. If you're a developer, you of all people should be able to grasp this simple concept. Why hold Apple to an impossible standard when no one else is expected to live up to it?
The idea that so many of you can't see past your own ideology is mind boggling, especially in our time where at times technology exists SIMPLY because someone wanted it to exist. If you don't like the concept, vote with your wallet. Not to mention the thing you are all so angry about is nothing more than a rumor, Apple has not confirmed that they are removing the jack.
Which lightning headphones are you guys using that has you so sold on the idea?
Oh the irony in this post.
Talking about a product that doesn't exist based on a rumor you're all crying about. First world problems if I've ever heard of it.
Edit : I admit when I am wrong, they do have lightning based headphones but per the post below I do not own any.
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None, and I don't know why anyone has the belief I own one as I never even hinted I did. I pointed out you guys are complaining about a rumor, nothing more than a rumor.
Nothing like bringing out a strawman and beating the stuffing out of it when they're losing their cynical argument.
It's really like the pro smartphone keyboard people asking before the iPhone came out, "what touch screen smart phone are you using that has you so sold on the idea?". This is the same logic that says 'Apple shouldn't make a round Watch, because round is not as good as square -- a fact proven by Android which already has several on the market and they're not very good'.
Always best not to feed the trolls.
Well to be fair if the topic is manipulated to fit your agenda then of course you'll win. Lets keep in mind this is a no headphone jack petition thread. Which being the main topic no one has been able to give any worthwhile reasons for removing it (headphone jack).
Lightning audio doesn't sound any better without a headphone jack. Nor are the people that prefer to keep a standard arguing that lightning connected headphones don't possibly sound better (when comparing like for like).
Two best ideas, thinner and better waterproofing has already been done by the competition while maintaining the headphone jack....so those are out....
However we are confronted with people that feel removing the 3.5mm is a good thing for the consumer and for some reason need to make this a Lightning headphone is better discussion as if one thing has something to do with the other.
And when I ask a simple question to the people that advocate lightning headphones the most....they have literally less experience with them than I do (Arguing for the sake of arguing based on nothing, yet we are trolls? ooookkkaaayyy). Or my favorite "Don't like it...leave", or "Apple will do what they do whether you like it or not".
My question was serious as it was simple. Earlier in this thread I asked someone about bluetooth headphones and I ended up buying a pair of Jaybirds X2. I highly question whether they weren't full of crap too because they are "meh" for phone calls although great at the gym. I found the Samsung Level U to be a little bit better for strictly phone calls due to its dual mics and mic placement in case anyone is curious.
BTW your analogy doesn't work...at all. Lightning headphones have been available for quite a long time (over a year) plenty of time for a proponent of the tech to have acquired a pair. I'm not sure there is even logic behind that Apple Watch part to even be similar to any other form of logic.
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The part of this I find so amusing is that the goal posts keep moving for these guys who are so opposed to dropping the headphone jack. On the one hand, having to use an adapter is going to be a huge inconvenience. But on the other, it's not such a huge problem to use 1/4" or 1/8", or XLR analogue adapters because they are so inexpensive and readily available at the local Radio Shack. What is completely overlooked here is that Lightning cables are going to be easier to find than USB-C cables at this point, and it completely ignores the fact that 30-pin dock connectors could be found everywhere, and inexpensively too prior to Lightning being introduced. As Lighting adapters start to flood the market to take advantage of the 500 million iPhone users worldwide, the same phenomenon is likely as well. Not to mention in this specific instance, I have never been in a "pro" audio environment where they did not have every manner of adapter required for an Apple device on hand, and this goes back to the original Macintosh and the 8-pin serial cables. Then there's the 'old folks who just want to use a phone' meme, which seems to discount the fact that Apple traditionally gives a pair of free headphones with their iPhones, and that's likely to continue to be true once they change to Lightning. If they don't like the Apple headphones, I'd be surprised if a pair of voice quality Lightning headphones from China would cost more than about $10 -- and that's initially, not after demand and competition drives the price down even lower, once all mobile phone makers move to digital headphones.
Post 269 in a way I hate being right there are other posts if you read on, but I felt strongly on this one - just shows apple do read this site,
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-jack-petition.1948735/page-11#post-22986131
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-jack-petition.1948735/page-11#post-22986131
I still don't agree with them doing it. Especially since they didn't include a 3.5mm source to Lightning headphone adapter. It only encourages customers to continue using their old headphones, and not to use the Lightning headphones which aren't compatible with anything else but recent iOS devices.
At $9 Apple priced it perfectly so as not to be an issue for anyone. I was predicting twice that, which might have been for some. At the end of the day, what's going to ultimately matter here is what kind of quality it offers -- anything less than the performance of the 6s and it will just be a total waste all around.