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Agree 100%

It's interesting that I'll be sidestepping this whole period of port spec uncertainty suggested by the article simply by having bought a quality pair of BT headphones. And I didn't even decide to go for BT for this particular reason at the time.

Considering the less than stellar experience with an AVR and Apple TV I had recently, I'm glad something's going my way when it comes to AV gear.

I'm not one of the audiophiles referred to in the article, but I also don't fall with the lot getting shafted by these changes. Makes it easier for me to personally to agree with moving away from the 3,5mm jack, even though I can appreciate that's not the case for everyone.
 
mock all you want. But truth is, killing the headphone jack is a dealbreaker for me.
"because a few weirdos are angry they will have to buy an adapter. Same morons who complained when lightning came around"
Do you remember when bulletproof iphone cases first started being a thing? And people had to get little headphone jack extenders to use their fancy Etymotics or Grados or whatever? Did you ever experience how frustrating it was when you left that little 2 inch long adapter at home?
It's just stupid to force your loyal customers to have to buy an adapter in the first place.
Fix what is broken Apple. Stop breaking what already works. That is not innovative.

And yeah, I will jump to Samsung over this, if Samsung deigns to keep headphone jacks.

I agree.

I'm certain though apple are going to make an exception on this and include a free adapter in the box with the '7' to keep yourself, myself & literally millions of others happy. To put common business long term sense before short term profit on a £25.00 adapter costing them approx £2.50

apple just cant afford to alienate so many of us especially if android switchers are the future as the approx 10% of android who dont use their included earbuds is a lot more than the approx 10% of apple users.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-v-android-market-share-2016-1

does anyone know how many total smartphones are being used worldwide at present? 10% of that would be a huge number of users.
I'm sure apple are ditching 3.5mm so potentially very scary times this for apples decision for the future of the company.

If this figure (link below) is to be belived this is 140,000,000 approx andoid switchers (who may use non standard earphones) that apple are alienating
http://m.androidcentral.com/google-says-there-are-now-14-billion-active-android-devices-worldwide

add the apple users & WOW that is a staggering amount.
 
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Quite happy for removal of the 3.5mm Jack. From what I gather will result in better quality audio if you want to have a wired headphone through lightning port, which surely is a better thing. Additionally there is bluetooth headphones also. Of course there will be the transition period for consumers who won't like it just like with previous changes. Would be good if Apple included some headphones of course but I doubt they will. The only disadvantage of using lightning port for headphones is how will you charge your phone at same time if required - which is where the smart connector rumours may then happen.
 
Quite happy for removal of the 3.5mm Jack. From what I gather will result in better quality audio if you want to have a wired headphone through lightning port, which surely is a better thing. Additionally there is bluetooth headphones also. Of course there will be the transition period for consumers who won't like it just like with previous changes. Would be good if Apple included some headphones of course but I doubt they will. The only disadvantage of using lightning port for headphones is how will you charge your phone at same time if required - which is where the smart connector rumours may then happen.

Audio through the Lightning port (whether it's better or not) is available in the here and now. You don't need to remove the 3.5mm audio jack to obtain it.
 
Would be good if Apple included some headphones of course but I doubt they will.

surely you mean headphone adapter included in box? as I remember uproar over the 1st gen having a recessed 3.5 so you had to awkwardly mod your 3.5 plug or buy apple earbuds or an adapter.
Apple have upset folks before with the 3.5 it was nine years ago.
But in the 3g and every model after I believe earbuds have been included in the box.

2nd gen:
http://gizmodo.com/5015424/whats-in-the-iphone-3g-box-not-as-much-as-you-think

cheers

Deany
 
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surely you mean headphone adapter included in box? as I remember uproar over the 1st gen having a recessed 3.5 so you had to awkwardly mod your 3.5 plug or buy apple earbuds or an adapter.
Apple have upset folks before with the 3.5 it was nine years ago.
But in the 3g and every model after I believe earbuds have been included in the box.

2nd gen:
http://gizmodo.com/5015424/whats-in-the-iphone-3g-box-not-as-much-as-you-think

cheers

Deany

No adapter in the box. Free set of Lightning headphones, but no adapter. Apple is not interested in incentivizing customers to continue using old tech. And Android will be dropping the headphone jack as well. It's already started with the new Moto. So it's not like disenfranchised Apple customers can just jump to Android. And if The only difference is that Android includes a $10 adapter in the box, then those who jump weren't really sticking around Apple for the long haul anyway.
 
No adapter in the box. Free set of Lightning headphones, but no adapter. Apple is not interested in incentivizing customers to continue using old tech. And Android will be dropping the headphone jack as well. It's already started with the new Moto. So it's not like disenfranchised Apple customers can just jump to Android. And if The only difference is that Android includes a $10 adapter in the box, then those who jump weren't really sticking around Apple for the long haul anyway.

I am with you on certain points but not convinced that 3.5mm is being dropped by android so fast.

The next Galaxy (I think this is android's best seller so the one to compare verses iPhone 7, not the Moto) has 3.5mm-

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-review

and apple I feel will miss out on possible 'android switchers' as the change over occurs.
Apple must include a free 3.5mm adapter or commit 'commercial suicide'.
cheers
 
Did the people here who complain so much every time apple removes some vestigial port or aspect to a device ever think about how selfish it is to force the entire world to continue using an obsolete, encumbering and inefficient port (1/8th inch stereo) just because they are unwilling or unable to save $20 or $30 to buy an adapter?

Sorry, but the world marches on while your legacy headphones become worthless. Too bad, so sad. Apple doesn't care.
 
Did the people here who complain so much every time apple removes some vestigial port or aspect to a device ever think about how selfish it is to force the entire world to continue using an obsolete, encumbering and inefficient port (1/8th inch stereo) just because they are unwilling or unable to save $20 or $30 to buy an adapter?

Sorry, but the world marches on while your legacy headphones become worthless. Too bad, so sad. Apple doesn't care.

I'm sure Tim Cook does care very much that the iPhone doesn't lose any more market share to android than it already has.

Alphabet must be rubbing their hands in glee if you are correct.

ps
my trusty 10 year old lifetime gaurantee Koss Porta Pros are probably worth, on eBay £2.00 and yes I use them daily with my '6' and I refuse to pay £25.00 for an adapter thank you.
cheers
 
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I'm sure Tim Cook does care very much that the iPhone doesn't lose any more market share to android than it already has.

Alphabet must be rubbing their hands in glee if you are correct.

ps
my trusty 10 year old lifetime gaurantee Koss Porta Pros are probably worth, on eBay £2.00 and yes I use them daily with my '6' and no I refuse to pay £25.00 for an adapter thank you.
cheers
Apple would be smart to make high-income customers like myself happy before they go around doing favors for Android converts who may or may not be able to afford an iPhone every year or even every two years. Sometimes people have to settle for inferior products (android) because they think of themselves as "bargain hunters". Haha. In reality, they are just subjecting themselves to misery in order to make a statement.


We hear you, Android fans. You don't like the new thing. You want the old thing, the thing you had before! Sadly, Apple is a company that makes the new thing, if you want the old thing... you have Alphabet right there! YAY!
 
Apple would be smart to make high-income customers like myself happy

Thank you for sharing that.

Okay from 2 years ago but a respected source-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2014/04/10/what-kind-of-person-prefers-an-iphone/#4b1609313e5a

''What This Data Says To Me

Both iPhone and Android people are affluent, educated, eager digital device consumers, and well-represented across the adult age spectrum up to 65.''

Android does not = poor people

quite the opposite.

Low income families are likely not to actually own a smartphone, but I hope many do.
 
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I am with you on certain points but not convinced that 3.5mm is being dropped by android so fast.

The next Galaxy (I think this is android's best seller so the one to compare verses iPhone 7, not the Moto) has 3.5mm-

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-review

and apple I feel will miss out on possible 'android switchers' as the change over occurs.
Apple must include a free 3.5mm adapter or commit 'commercial suicide'.
cheers

Beats does not currently offer a Lightning headset. Or a USB headset for that matter. Why would they if Apple doesn't have a unified solution, or market demand? Android has notoriously copied Apple every step of the way. Why would Android likewise take the risk of dropping such a significant port when Apple hasn't? That just gurantees the headphone users will jump to Apple.

Finally why would Apple just arbitrarily drop the headphone jack if they didn't have to? And if Apple has to, then surely they know their competition has to, at least with the flagship models. It makes NO sense whatsoever that Apple would drop the headphone jack when their competition doesn't have to, whether they include a free adapter in the box or not.

So believe what you want. But my money is on no adapter in the box, and Android following Apple's lead less than a year after it happens. There's no question Apple may take a hit initially, but it will be their flagship phone which is almost always embraced by tech forward early adopters, most of whom likely won't care about the headphone jack, as they will be enthusiastic to embrace Apple's new audio introductions. And who knows what else Apple is going to include in that phone? A new camera and better processor in the same package as the 6s as rumored is not likely to sell very well anyway, much less dropping the headphone jack. So there's likely something else coming to make such a routine package more enticing, something that actually needed the extra space freed up by the removal of the headphone jack to further justify the move.

This is the logic behind it. Because if this reasoning isn't anywhere close to the reality, then Apple is doomed and they deserve to be -- unless their entire goal is to depress the stock price so much they can buy back a huge portion of it next year before they release the jaw-dropping 2017 iPhone (in which they will return the headphone jack ;-).

Apple will put a free pair of Lightning headphones in the box, which will be of higher quality than what they currently offer, because they want to demonstrate that Lightning is better than what they had before with the 3.5mm adapter. If customers try it and don't agree, Apple will sell a $20 adapter, or encourage an upgrade to better digital headphones or wireless headphones using BT 5, or some other superior wireless tech Apple introduces. Giving the customer an adapter out of the box ensures maximum inconvenience with little benefit and encourages customers to continue living with what they already have -- which is the last thing any company wants. And since I believe Apple is going to put more money into the included Lightning earbuds, they're not likely going to include an adapter that's going to cost them even more. And since Android will be following suit immediately upon Apple's heels, there's no reason for them to. Many customers switch to Apple in no small part to the quality of audio Apple offers. So I find it hard to believe Android phones are going to suddenly up their game to surpass what Apple will be offering with what purports to be marketed as the highest quality audio available on any mobile device, combined with introductions such as Apple Music streaming lossless audio that Android won't have.

So in the end, for most customers it will come down to convenience vs. quality, and at least for the initial adopters, quality is likely going to win out. The only survey I have found to back up all of this suggests most customers won't miss the headphone jack, even enough to include a free 3.5mm adapter -- which in many ways would only be an admission they've made a mistake out of the starting gate.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986
 
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Beats does not currently offer a Lightning headset. Or a USB headset for that matter. Why would they if Apple doesn't have a unified solution, or market demand? Android has notoriously copied Apple every step of the way. Why would Android likewise take the risk of dropping such a significant port when Apple hasn't? That just gurantees the headphone users will jump to Apple.

Finally why would Apple just arbitrarily drop the headphone jack if they didn't have to? And if Apple has to, then surely they know their competition has to, at least with the flagship models. It makes NO sense whatsoever that Apple would drop the headphone jack when their competition doesn't have to, whether they include a free adapter in the box or not.

So believe what you want. But my money is on no adapter in the box, and Android following Apple's lead less than a year after it happens. There's no question Apple may take a hit initially, but it will be their flagship phone which is almost always embraced by tech forward early adopters, most of whom likely won't care about the headphone jack, as they will be enthusiastic to embrace Apple's new audio introductions. And who knows what else Apple is going to include in that phone? A new camera and better processor in the same package as the 6s as rumored is not likely to sell very well anyway, much less dropping the headphone jack. So there's likely something else coming to make such a routine package more enticing, something that actually needed the extra space freed up by the removal of the headphone jack to further justify the move.

This is the logic behind it. Because if this reasoning isn't anywhere close to the reality, then Apple is doomed and they deserve to be -- unless their entire goal is to depress the stock price so much they can buy back a huge portion of it next year before they release the jaw-dropping 2017 iPhone.

Apple will put a free pair of Lightning headphones in the box, which will be of higher quality than what they currently offer, because they want to demonstrate that Lightning is better than what they had before with the 3.5mm adapter. If customers try it and don't agree, Apple will sell a $20 adapter, or encourage an upgrade to better digital headphones or wireless headphones using BT 5, or some other superior wireless tech Apple introduces. Giving the customer an adapter out of the box ensures maximum inconvenience with little benefit and encourages customers to continue living with what they already have -- which is the last thing any company wants. And since I believe Apple is going to put more money into the included Lightning earbuds, they're not likely going to include an adapter that's going to cost them even more. And since Android will be following suit immediately upon Apple's heels, there's no reason for them to. Many customers switch to Apple in no small part to the quality of audio Apple offers. So I find it hard to believe Android phones are going to suddenly up their game to surpass what Apple will be offering with what purports to be marketed as the highest quality audio available on any mobile device, combined with introductions such as Apple Music streaming lossless audio that Android won't have.

So in the end, for most customers it will come down to convenience vs. quality, and at least for the initial adopters, quality is likely going to win out. The only survey I have found to back up all of this suggests most customers won't miss the headphone jack, even enough to include a free 3.5mm adapter -- which in many ways would only be an admission they've made a mistake out of the starting gate.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

All very valid well thought out points appreciate your reply, especially the 'encourages customers to continue living with what they already have' and not wanting to appear 'they've made a mistake out of the starting gate'

good stuff thanks
 
Thank you for sharing that.

Okay from 2 years ago but a respected source-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2014/04/10/what-kind-of-person-prefers-an-iphone/#4b1609313e5a

''What This Data Says To Me

Both iPhone and Android people are affluent, educated, eager digital device consumers, and well-represented across the adult age spectrum up to 65.''

Android does not = poor people

quite the opposite.

Low income families are likely not to actually own a smartphone, but I hope many do.
I never once mentioned "poor people"... whatever that is... but it is telling that you are so insecure about android users financial status.

If you had actually read my post, you'd have seen that I gave a simple explanation for why android users make such dubious decisions about tech purchases: They consider themselves to be "bargain hunters"... people who know "where to get the best deal". Sadly, in their zeal to save every last penny, they end up buying a new "top of the line" android handset on discounts or those idiotic "40% off Galaxy S7! Plus buy one get one free! Plus a crappy new VR headset for a PS4 you might own!" deals samsung runs every year nobody buys their crap product...


And that's the story of why you don't know what you're talking about here... You aren't even on topic!
 
I never once mentioned "poor people"... whatever that is... but it is telling that you are so insecure about android users financial status.

If you had actually read my post, you'd have seen that I gave a simple explanation for why android users make such dubious decisions about tech purchases: They consider themselves to be "bargain hunters"... people who know "where to get the best deal". Sadly, in their zeal to save every last penny, they end up buying a new "top of the line" android handset on discounts or those idiotic "40% off Galaxy S7! Plus buy one get one free! Plus a crappy new VR headset for a PS4 you might own!" deals samsung runs every year nobody buys their crap product...


And that's the story of why you don't know what you're talking about here... You aren't even on topic!

really!
 
Beats does not currently offer a Lightning headset. Or a USB headset for that matter. Why would they if Apple doesn't have a unified solution, or market demand? Android has notoriously copied Apple every step of the way. Why would Android likewise take the risk of dropping such a significant port when Apple hasn't? That just gurantees the headphone users will jump to Apple.

Finally why would Apple just arbitrarily drop the headphone jack if they didn't have to? And if Apple has to, then surely they know their competition has to, at least with the flagship models. It makes NO sense whatsoever that Apple would drop the headphone jack when their competition doesn't have to, whether they include a free adapter in the box or not.

So believe what you want. But my money is on no adapter in the box, and Android following Apple's lead less than a year after it happens. There's no question Apple may take a hit initially, but it will be their flagship phone which is almost always embraced by tech forward early adopters, most of whom likely won't care about the headphone jack, as they will be enthusiastic to embrace Apple's new audio introductions. And who knows what else Apple is going to include in that phone? A new camera and better processor in the same package as the 6s as rumored is not likely to sell very well anyway, much less dropping the headphone jack. So there's likely something else coming to make such a routine package more enticing, something that actually needed the extra space freed up by the removal of the headphone jack to further justify the move.

This is the logic behind it. Because if this reasoning isn't anywhere close to the reality, then Apple is doomed and they deserve to be -- unless their entire goal is to depress the stock price so much they can buy back a huge portion of it next year before they release the jaw-dropping 2017 iPhone (in which they will return the headphone jack ;-).

Apple will put a free pair of Lightning headphones in the box, which will be of higher quality than what they currently offer, because they want to demonstrate that Lightning is better than what they had before with the 3.5mm adapter. If customers try it and don't agree, Apple will sell a $20 adapter, or encourage an upgrade to better digital headphones or wireless headphones using BT 5, or some other superior wireless tech Apple introduces. Giving the customer an adapter out of the box ensures maximum inconvenience with little benefit and encourages customers to continue living with what they already have -- which is the last thing any company wants. And since I believe Apple is going to put more money into the included Lightning earbuds, they're not likely going to include an adapter that's going to cost them even more. And since Android will be following suit immediately upon Apple's heels, there's no reason for them to. Many customers switch to Apple in no small part to the quality of audio Apple offers. So I find it hard to believe Android phones are going to suddenly up their game to surpass what Apple will be offering with what purports to be marketed as the highest quality audio available on any mobile device, combined with introductions such as Apple Music streaming lossless audio that Android won't have.

So in the end, for most customers it will come down to convenience vs. quality, and at least for the initial adopters, quality is likely going to win out. The only survey I have found to back up all of this suggests most customers won't miss the headphone jack, even enough to include a free 3.5mm adapter -- which in many ways would only be an admission they've made a mistake out of the starting gate.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986
I agree with you. I can't remember apple putting an adapter in the box, if they define that technology outdated. But I believe that they will regard wireless Bluetooth headphones as the appropriate device for listening to music with iPhone, if they drop the old jack. Their strategy is wireless. You can see with the macbook. The only purpose to attach a cable between the device and the headphones in apples view will be for initial pairing and charging the headphones battery or if the battery runs low. Just like ApplePencil.
The whole thing would mean a major change in several product categories (beats, iPhone, iPad, Mac). Most important would be the availability of compatible headphones. So it may take an other product cycle to really drop the 3.5 jack. Or they will provide a good quality pair of Bluetooth earphones in the box. But that would be too expensive and not all customers would really want or need them. In my opinion there will be neither any adapters nor any earphones in the box.
 
Did the people here who complain so much every time apple removes some vestigial port or aspect to a device ever think about how selfish it is to force the entire world to continue using an obsolete, encumbering and inefficient port (1/8th inch stereo) just because they are unwilling or unable to save $20 or $30 to buy an adapter?

Sorry, but the world marches on while your legacy headphones become worthless. Too bad, so sad. Apple doesn't care.

No one is forcing anyone to use an obsolete, encumbering and inefficient port. The lightning port has been on the iPhone since the iPhone 5, the fact that people here did not choose to switch to a lightning connecter version of headphones before now doesn't make the people who prefer a 3.5mm port selfish.

Actually quite the contrary. People that want there to ONLY be a lightning port even though they have it now but aren't using it are the ones that should be labeled selfish.

Personally I don't care at this point. I use Bluetooth for headphones and other none audio devices (professional devices and credit card readers) have bluetooth counterparts. I just feel compelled to point this out to people that are happy to be paying the same amount of money for less hardware even though they are gaining NOTHING that they don't already have.... selfish haha....
 
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Beats does not currently offer a Lightning headset. Or a USB headset for that matter. Why would they if Apple doesn't have a unified solution, or market demand? Android has notoriously copied Apple every step of the way. Why would Android likewise take the risk of dropping such a significant port when Apple hasn't? That just gurantees the headphone users will jump to Apple.

Finally why would Apple just arbitrarily drop the headphone jack if they didn't have to? And if Apple has to, then surely they know their competition has to, at least with the flagship models. It makes NO sense whatsoever that Apple would drop the headphone jack when their competition doesn't have to, whether they include a free adapter in the box or not.

So believe what you want. But my money is on no adapter in the box, and Android following Apple's lead less than a year after it happens. There's no question Apple may take a hit initially, but it will be their flagship phone which is almost always embraced by tech forward early adopters, most of whom likely won't care about the headphone jack, as they will be enthusiastic to embrace Apple's new audio introductions. And who knows what else Apple is going to include in that phone? A new camera and better processor in the same package as the 6s as rumored is not likely to sell very well anyway, much less dropping the headphone jack. So there's likely something else coming to make such a routine package more enticing, something that actually needed the extra space freed up by the removal of the headphone jack to further justify the move.

This is the logic behind it. Because if this reasoning isn't anywhere close to the reality, then Apple is doomed and they deserve to be -- unless their entire goal is to depress the stock price so much they can buy back a huge portion of it next year before they release the jaw-dropping 2017 iPhone (in which they will return the headphone jack ;-).

Apple will put a free pair of Lightning headphones in the box, which will be of higher quality than what they currently offer, because they want to demonstrate that Lightning is better than what they had before with the 3.5mm adapter. If customers try it and don't agree, Apple will sell a $20 adapter, or encourage an upgrade to better digital headphones or wireless headphones using BT 5, or some other superior wireless tech Apple introduces. Giving the customer an adapter out of the box ensures maximum inconvenience with little benefit and encourages customers to continue living with what they already have -- which is the last thing any company wants. And since I believe Apple is going to put more money into the included Lightning earbuds, they're not likely going to include an adapter that's going to cost them even more. And since Android will be following suit immediately upon Apple's heels, there's no reason for them to. Many customers switch to Apple in no small part to the quality of audio Apple offers. So I find it hard to believe Android phones are going to suddenly up their game to surpass what Apple will be offering with what purports to be marketed as the highest quality audio available on any mobile device, combined with introductions such as Apple Music streaming lossless audio that Android won't have.

So in the end, for most customers it will come down to convenience vs. quality, and at least for the initial adopters, quality is likely going to win out. The only survey I have found to back up all of this suggests most customers won't miss the headphone jack, even enough to include a free 3.5mm adapter -- which in many ways would only be an admission they've made a mistake out of the starting gate.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

I will bet my entire fortune to you that not every single Android OEMs will drop 3.5mm on EVERY PRODUCT they produce(at least in 5 years) If using phone with 3.5mm jack means lower end phone, then I will take it. I will absolutely refuse buy any phone without 3.5mm jack.

If the future is no 3.5mm headphone jack, then I will use 6S as long as possible. I have boatload of Android phone and iPhone with 3.5mm, it could take me while for all my current phone stops working.

P.S. I mean you can use lighting headphone now if you want or you can settle with Bluetooth. Why forcing everyone to adopt something else. I like my 3.5mm headphone and I am not planning to buy new headphone just because some company wants to eliminate 3.5 headphone jack.
 
I have nice headphones, and I'm not tossing them aside or getting tied to an adapter or some other nonsense just to have the latest and greatest minimal increment.

When Apple releases an iPhone worth the loss of connectivity, I'll consider an upgrade. Until then, the 6S Plus will stay.
 
Did the people here who complain so much every time apple removes some vestigial port or aspect to a device ever think about how selfish it is to force the entire world to continue using an obsolete, encumbering and inefficient port (1/8th inch stereo) just because they are unwilling or unable to save $20 or $30 to buy an adapter?

Sorry, but the world marches on while your legacy headphones become worthless. Too bad, so sad. Apple doesn't care.
how the bleep is it obsolete?
It is a standard port. The 1/8" jack is found on not just iphones and android phones, but pretty much every single computer built in the last 15 years, just about any camera that shoots video, quite a few LCDs and TVs. Not to mention a significant number of consumer, prosumer and pro equipment. I can buy $3 headphones and $1500 headphones with a 1/8" connector. My professional recording headphones and my personal earbuds use the same jack. So do all my Canon DSLRs, my field recorder, my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro.
I don't expect those products to change over to a proprietary, licensed connector such as Apple's lightning plug. So I'd be accommodating Apple by either buying an adapter, or buying a single pair of headphones for one product, while all my other devices can use my regular headphones.
But hey, maybe Apple will force us to use Lightning or USB-c on their computers as well. Man that would be pretty stupid.
 
If companies listened to these types of complaints we would still have parallel ports on every PC, etc. Things have to progress at some point.
 
If companies listened to these types of complaints we would still have parallel ports on every PC, etc. Things have to progress at some point.

The parallel port was not a universal standard. It was computer to peripheral only. And it was replaced by another industry standard. And mostly, the peripherals had both ports for a while. So did the computers. It was a very rare case where you had one device with only parallel and the other with only USB.

The 3.5mm jack is not a phone standard, not a computer standard. It's an audio industry standard. If they think it's such an obsolete port, they should lead the way to eliminate it.

It would not be quite as bad if there was not an existing port to deliver digital sound, and replacing the 3.5mm with a digital port was the only way to achieve it. But they're not adding anything. The digital output already exists.

Is immersing your phone in water such a large need/issue that every orifice needs to be water tight? The thickness of the port is not an argument at the moment. We are already constrained by physics with the required thickness of the camera lens assembly. Making the phone body thinner will only make the camera stick out further. Personally, I's rather have a smooth back and use the extra thickness for extra battery capacity.
 
If companies listened to these types of complaints we would still have parallel ports on every PC, etc. Things have to progress at some point.

Where is there progress??

how the bleep is it obsolete?
It is a standard port. The 1/8" jack is found on not just iphones and android phones, but pretty much every single computer built in the last 15 years, just about any camera that shoots video, quite a few LCDs and TVs. Not to mention a significant number of consumer, prosumer and pro equipment. I can buy $3 headphones and $1500 headphones with a 1/8" connector. My professional recording headphones and my personal earbuds use the same jack. So do all my Canon DSLRs, my field recorder, my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro.
I don't expect those products to change over to a proprietary, licensed connector such as Apple's lightning plug. So I'd be accommodating Apple by either buying an adapter, or buying a single pair of headphones for one product, while all my other devices can use my regular headphones.
But hey, maybe Apple will force us to use Lightning or USB-c on their computers as well. Man that would be pretty stupid.

It is simply stupid to drop the 3.5 mm jack
 
The parallel port was not a universal standard.....

I don't care about the technical merits of one port over another, I am simply stating that people hate change and if everyone got their way we would have a billion ports because NO ONE wants to change.

Where is there progress??

It is simply stupid to drop the 3.5 mm jack

Where is the progress? Are you seriously not able to see the progression of an analog interface to a digital one? You may not like it, and that is more than fine as each can have their own opinion, but moving to a digital interface has benefits over the analog one, the biggest being improved audio quality, I am sure there are many others.

Thankfully none of you here are involved with advancing technology or we would never go anywhere for fear of change.
 
how the bleep is it obsolete?
It is a standard port. The 1/8" jack is found on not just iphones and android phones, but pretty much every single computer built in the last 15 years, just about any camera that shoots video, quite a few LCDs and TVs. Not to mention a significant number of consumer, prosumer and pro equipment. I can buy $3 headphones and $1500 headphones with a 1/8" connector. My professional recording headphones and my personal earbuds use the same jack. So do all my Canon DSLRs, my field recorder, my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro.
I don't expect those products to change over to a proprietary, licensed connector such as Apple's lightning plug. So I'd be accommodating Apple by either buying an adapter, or buying a single pair of headphones for one product, while all my other devices can use my regular headphones.
But hey, maybe Apple will force us to use Lightning or USB-c on their computers as well. Man that would be pretty stupid.

Funny you should bring up pro equipment vs. consumer equipment. I have to use a 1/4" adapter to plug my 3.5mm equipped headphones into most pro audio boards I've worked with. Heck I have to use a 1/4" adapter to plug my headphones into many high quality consumer amps as well. And I have the opposite problem with a pair of AKG K340s which require an adapter to use with any current "standard" headphone jacks. Not sure why the prospect of an adapter to Lightning or USB-C is such a problem for a "pro".
 
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