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A rumor that won't go away that I still don't believe will happen.

People - this isn't to do with thinner. It's to do with smaller.
Which one of these phones doesn't have a 3.5mm port? I don't think it's what is holding Apple back from a smaller/better ratio iPhone.

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And the fact that Apple kept a pathetic 16GB as the base storage was ridiculous two years ago. In the year 2016 though, it would be absolutely jaw-droppingly stupid. NAND prices have taken an incredible dive over the past 5 years, and there's simply no excuse for Apple to still be selling a $650 16GB device.

Yes, and they FORCE you to buy it! :confused:
 
very pleased they are waiting to 2017, more time for apple inc to change their mind & keep the _world standard_ 3.5mm headphone jack.
That's not what the story is saying. Noise cancelling is pushed to 2017, not the removal of the 3.5mm
 
Dual speaker would be great for watching things on my phone if I used it without headphones. I'm not that worried about a lightning only headphone solution as long as I can still charge at the same time.
 
Apple is likely to wait until 2017 and the "iPhone 7s" to introduce noise-canceling headphones, according to a Barclays analyst report posted today.

Sure, so if your '6s' iteration sales do not surpass your '6' iteration because many people feel 'nothing's changed', what you do? You save some features from the '7' just so that you can include them in '7s'.
 
Which one of these phones doesn't have a 3.5mm port? I don't think it's what is holding Apple back from a smaller/better ratio iPhone.

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I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of not all of those phones are volumetrically larger than the 6S.
 
being slightly cynical, but also hoping they keep the 3.5mm jack, as the new setup will upset a _lot_ of people.

It will upset people, but Apple are like a religion. People will lambaste Apple endlessly that they've ditched the 3.5mm jack, but they'll buy the iPhone anyway and then preach about how analogue connectors are so pointless and how everyone else should 'get with the times'.

And Apple will have huge iPhone sales and massive profits.

The same happened with Flash, the DVD drive, removable batteries in Macs, the multi-pin iPhone connector... History repeats itself.
 
Exactly...now you'll have your "iPhone headphones". They can't even connect to your Mac.

If Apple is hell-bent on looking to remove dated tech, they should remove mechanical harddrives from all their Macs and use SSDs.

While I'm not the end all example here, I use different headphones for all my devices. All of which use different connections.
On my PC I use an optical connection (Turtle Beach X-Ray), iPhone at work I use Bluetooth (Jaybird Bluebuds X), and my iPad in bed with the standard iPhone EarPods. So I'm used to a device-specific audio solution.
 
This is an opportunity for Apple to sell multiple quality levels of Lightning to 3.5mm adaptors. The best one will, of course, only be available wrapped in a Hermès leather case.
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And the fact that Apple kept a pathetic 16GB as the base storage was ridiculous two years ago. In the year 2016 though, it would be absolutely jaw-droppingly stupid. NAND prices have taken an incredible dive over the past 5 years, and there's simply no excuse for Apple to still be selling a $650 16GB device.

Apple should reduce the base iPhone to 4GB. That would help cover the cost of removing the headphone jack and really push iCloud.
 
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This would be bad news for me. The controller on my Roland drumkit has a 3.5" line in jack. I'm able to play along with my iTunes library. It would really suck to have to purchase an external device in order to still have a 3.5" output. The Roland controller is somewhat older and has only 3.5" line in. No USB. No Bluetooth.
 
Yep because a Barclays analyst is where I go to get my Apple rumors. Slow news week indeed.
So what then, you have an Apple rumours site of your own? Must be a lot of work to maintain, what with all your superior sources to keep tabs on. How do you find the time to come here and write so many snide comments? ;)
 
Steve Jobs would have NEVER considered treating Apple customers like this no matter how high the AAPL $ potential was if he thought it was a bad idea.

I'm not really sure how your response to my post relates to that post BUT Steve Jobs would have never consider treating Apple customers how?

Do you mean he'd never sell a pretty much sealed system non-upgradable product?
Do you mean make a computer with no built-in media drive?
Do you mean he'd never charge 2-3x market price for CTO upgrades?
Do you mean he'd never push out a line of laptops with just one USB port, one video port, and one audio-in because that was the only way to keep it really thin?
Do you mean he'd never produce products with proprietary connectors? Then abandon those connectors for the sake of design?
Do you mean refuse to include an SD slot in an iPad?

I really don't know what you point is but, yes, Steve Jobs would absolutely dump headphone jack if it was needed to make the end product he wanted.

I hope you don't think that any employee in any company who is producing great a product with passion is doing it for the sake of raising a number that is pretty much unrelated to them. IMO sounds like a leader who is unaligned from his workers, not getting the most from them, and trying to lump them into a single category because human interaction is a chore (and said person is not an effective leader).

An employee may have interest in those things, but its a far cry to say that stock numbers are a driving factor in all decisions or the sole factor for any decision.

I think profit sharing and stock options have be production motivators in business for as long as businesses have been around. It's a way to attract the best talent and talent don't work for free. Yes, the talent can, must be passionate about what they do, but they also must get the coin. There has to be some benefit to being elite in your field.
 
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When buying third party headphones. :p

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The irritating thing is I get that message even when using original Apple stuff. Just because it doesn't like the outlet it's plugged into or something. I can't imagine how upset people are going to be if it happens to their headphones.
 
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No headphone jack. NO SALE
you'll buy it anyway.

Yup, because Apple has a monopoly on iOS smartphones. They know you'll take what they give you in the end.
Same as with Macs. You'll buy what Apple offers in hardware even if it's not what you want, because there are no alternatives if you want to run OSX. Isn't competition great? Thank god the clone program was ended by Steve.
 
Going USB-C this fall would start the push for a universal headphone jack that could replace 3.5mm.

Staying with Lightning only delays that.

The good news here (assuming it actually happens) is that Apple will include a second speaker on the bottom. I'd prefer dual firing front facing speakers but this is better than what the iPhone currently offers.
 
The irritating thing is I get that message even when using original Apple stuff. Just because it doesn't like the outlet it's plugged into or something. I can't imagine how upset people are going to be if it happens to their headphones.

Exactly, same with 3rd party accessories that Apple sells on it's own site. Apple really needs to do something about that. And it might get worst, if or when iOS devices use USB-C.
 
I went to an apple store the other day. For service on my water damaged iPhone. And i took the opportunity to spontaneously rally the weirdness of only having 16GB. The clerk said: "Quite many users don't use more than that". I guess they know...? But weird nonetheless.

And the fact that Apple kept a pathetic 16GB as the base storage was ridiculous two years ago. In the year 2016 though, it would be absolutely jaw-droppingly stupid. NAND prices have taken an incredible dive over the past 5 years, and there's simply no excuse for Apple to still be selling a $650 16GB device.
 
And when I want to use all the wired headphones I've already invested in, the Lightning to 3.5mm jack from Apple will only cost me $49.99!

Nope. I doubt it'll cost more than $20 from Apple, and a LOT less from other manufacturers. What's your basis for that claim?

The second speaker rumor would be nice if it came in stereo.
I will gladly give up the headphone jack for stereo speakers.
This gives Apple room to add a stereo speaker
The good news here (assuming it actually happens) is that Apple will include a second speaker on the bottom. I'd prefer dual firing front facing speakers but this is better than what the iPhone currently offers.

A second speaker in an iPhone is the LAST thing they will do. They are eliminating the 3.5mm jack to make room for other features, larger battery, etc. The quality of a speaker the size required in an iPhone is so low, not to mention the spatial separation being so close, as to make the inclusion of a second speaker pointless.

If they really do drop the standard headset jack, I might already have my last iPhone. Sad because I've been using them since the second generation.

Apple is not dropping the jack arbitrarily. They need the extra space taken up by a single function redundant connector to add new features. I'll wager that if Apple really drops the 3.5mm jack, that the other manufacturers are in exactly the same boat (running out of room in their phones to add new features without removing anything), and they will drop the headphone jack within a year of Apple doing it. They only reason they haven't yet is because they don't have the balls that Apple does, or the customer loyalty. So if Apple does it, you're going to have a hard time finding any phone with a standard headset jack.

I'm not inclined to believe just yet that they'll really get rid of the jack entirely. Besides using it for headphones, a lot of self-employed people / small businesses are using the Square reader via their headphone jack. Make that disappear and suddenly a lot of the user base basically gets pushed out =/

Not the main market for the iPhone. The current 3.5mm credit card readers will likely work using a Lightning adapter too. Moreover, the credit card reader companies, or the customers banks might actually give them an adapter specific to the port for free to prevent them jumping to a competitor if they buy a new one. And as has been pointed out elsewhere, if someone hasn't upgraded to a contactless, or chip equipped reader, then they can just buy one with the correct connector. This is likely a non-problem.

This is where switching to USB-C would be nice - it would allow for a much wider range of accessories and also open the door for cheaper accessories that don't have to license the lightning port.
Regarding Lightning-based headphones, I do agree that Apple needs to streamline tech across all platforms simultaneously. And if they are going to go the proprietary route, bring that to the Mac, too. Imagine if they simply used a Lightning connector on the new MacBook instead of USB Type-C? Or if Type-C is so great, why not drop Lightning entirely and just use C across all products? It's this patchwork connector tech that creates the mess and consumer confusion.
Going USB-C this fall would start the push for a universal headphone jack that could replace 3.5mm.
Staying with Lightning only delays that.

USB-C is a larger connector INTERNALLY than the Lightning port. So that doesn't save them as much room, which is clearly why they are getting rid of the 3.5mm connector in the first place. Moreover, using USB-C could create a lot of confusion. Apple doesn't allow a lot of desktop peripherals to work with iOS now via the Camera connection kit. If there's a universal port on an iPhone, you're going to have the average consumer plugging desktop peripherals into the iPhone and complaining when they don't work, or worse, if they cause damage. And, Apple's iOS USB-C peripherals won't work on PCs, which might possibly damage them as well. It could be disastrous, but confusing at best.

No matter how well BT headphones are made, they will never be as good as a wired connection. Bluetooth simply doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle audio without some level of compression.

NEVER is a long time. Ethernet is a far superior connection to WiFi, yet which one is most widespread? And it's not like Wifi is without it's problems. Which a customer use all depends on the situation and need. Likewise for wireless headphones. And who says the future of wireless lossless audio is BT? The average consumer is experiencing compression from start to finish in the typical audio path. If they are happy with Bluetooth compression what's the problem. There will be other solutions for people who demand better. But the idea wireless will NEVER, ever be as good as a wired connection is kind of short sighted.

Which one of these phones doesn't have a 3.5mm port? I don't think it's what is holding Apple back from a smaller/better ratio iPhone.

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How many of those phones have 100% of the identical features to the iPhone 6S?
 
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