I don't think the headphone jack comes into play here. A 8-9mm thick iPhone 7/7+ that is the size of the iPhone 5/6 in width and height would sell like hotcakes.
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None, which has nothing to do with my comment.
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iPhone 7 Predicted to Adopt Lightning Headphones Without Noise-Canceling Capabilities
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Care to elaborate then? It seems like it has everything to do with it, if your contention is that Apple has no reason to remove the 3.5mm jack.
Competition is alive and well. I didn't like what Apple were doing, so I bought a different phone. It still makes calls, sends texts, goes online etc. etc. In fact, it does pretty much anything an iPhone can do and a whole lot more.
You know, there's no reason Apple couldn't make digital headphones that interface through a 3.5mm stereo connector if they're interested in improving the listening experience for customers, and that same connector can be backwards compatible with analog headphones. Nobody is complaining about the thickness of the phone just from the headphone jack (except maybe Apple). So this move does nothing except cause force obsolesce in large amounts of accessories (how Earth-conscious!) and force headphone makers to start using a Lightning interface (I'm sure the license fee to Apple is just a coincidence).
My comment was simply directed at the claim that Apple needs to remove the 3.5mm jack to make the iPhone smaller.
Apple is a design company that has been forced to design around a 100 year old connector that is big, not waterproof and not nearly as bi-directional for power and data as lightning. To them, 3.5mm has been broken for years. Do you really want thin, futuristic phones or are you happy with the current heavy battery slabs? We will never get there by staying with old components and approaches.
So my comment was spot on. You show a bunch of models, and indicate only one doesn't have a 3.5mm jack, yet you don't indicate whether all of those phones have equivalent specs.
That make s a huge difference in your point. Do they all have batteries of the same capacity? Do they all have taptic engines? To they all have force touch? Do they all support all the radios and antennas Apple does? Are all the chips of equal size? Are there two cameras of similar quality?
I would argue that most of those phones don't offer even 80% of the features Apple does, and for the ones that do offer feature parity, they are running out of room to add anything else, and keep the phones competitively sized.
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Do you mean replace the Lightning connector with the 3.5mm jack? Basically design a 7-ring, tip, sleeve connector that passes data and audio like the proprietary connector on the iPod Shuffle based on what's connected to it?
That would be a huge port that wouldn't save Apple any room at all. Might as well leave the 3.5mm jack there.
Yet he also promoted FireWire, which was an Apple proprietary standard in all but name, and got one year of exclusivity on Thunderbolt. The latter stunted adoption of Thunderbolt until it became an alternate mode of USB-C.
Also, Apple introduced the 30-pin proprietary port for the iPod, iPhone, and iPad under Steve Jobs.
When do you get something for free with Apple instead of paying extra for it?
Neither FireWire nor Thunderbolt replaced the Mac's USB ports. Nor did they ever achieve anywhere near the same popularity as USB, even among diehard Mac users.
The iPods and iPhones never used a standard data connector. That's different from going from a standard to a proprietary one.
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We are going to disagree on this and that's fine. My ultimate point is that if Apple wanted to make the phone smaller, they could and it has nothing to do with the headphone jack.
Tim Cook,
Please go big or go home with this announcement. If you're going to release a new device, make sure it has every feature you can possibly put into it. Don't make customers buy a 7S next year so they can receive the noise canceling feature.
Apple supporters are sick of seeing milked out devices that add one new small feature and one improved feature every year because you need to save every penny. Steve Jobs added multiple new features to the iPhone every year. Why can't you do the same? And why don't you actually use your brain when approving the design for the 7?
Thanks.
Please go big or go home with this announcement. If you're going to release a new device, make sure it has every feature you can possibly put into it. Don't make customers buy a 7S next year so they can receive the noise canceling feature.
Apple supporters are sick of seeing milked out devices that add one new small feature and one improved feature every year because you need to save every penny. Steve Jobs added multiple new features to the iPhone every year. Why can't you do the same? And why don't you actually use your brain when approving the design for the 7?
Thanks.
well hopefully they'll push the removal of the 3.5mm to ∞.
Well I"m going to disagree with you until you provide ANY reason whatsoever that there's no reason to eliminate it in order to add features to the iPhone.
I'd eliminate it just to add another 240 cubic millimeters of battery, which is what we're talking. Believe whatever you want, but so far you've offered nothing concrete to back up that opinion.
You're arguing with yourself here. I never made any mention that Apple should or shouldn't keep the headphone jack.
Why would you want to use an adaptor to listen to music. SERIOUSLY, why?
So will the lightning port be changed to output analogue, or is every adapter and headphone also going to need it's own DAC?
No, my point is to run the digital audio through the 3.5 mm connector that's already there.
The phone can check what headphones are plugged in for a sign they are Apple digital phone or plain analog phone. Do you honestly think it takes 7 pins to deliver digital audio?
Apple could do them as optical digital right now. There have been Macs for years with hybrid analog/optical 3.5 mm jacks.
Also -- why is is necessary to get rid of either connector? How about Apple just release these new headphones for the lightning port that's already on the iPhone and leave the 3.5mm jack as is. What does removing the 3.5mm port accomplish? Not like they're gonna put extra battery in that space. /smirk
Dj's and musicians.
I also have a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter that lets me plug my bass and guitar into the phone
and record.
So now I'll need another adapter?
I don't like the idea of wearing a radio on my head to listen to music..
that why I like the wired phones..I don't even bring the phone up to my head.
I think this is going to hurt Apple, but we'll see.
Looking forward to lightning headphones personally. I use Bluetooth and wired pending what I'm doing. Lightning would offer pure digital audio out which is a good thing, also the aluminium body around the 3.5mm sterio jack is so thin that when I dropped my iPhone 6 onto a bamboo wooden floor the thin strip of casing between the socket and glass has split. I'm also pretty sure that the likes of Sony, Senheiser and others will be very quick of the mark to sell lightning headphones considering how many millions of potential sales they will get.
Not happy. The other day, I was chatting with the department secretary. She and her husband had bought a new iMac and she asked me whether there could be something wrong with it? It was so slow?
Some tool had sold them the base model.
They definitely notice, and they're definitely disappointed.
I know what you mean! I love it when people say 'but some people don't use more than 16GB'.
That's entirely true, but it's also a completely useless thing to say, because some people don't use 8GB, so should Apple start manufacturing an 8GB phone again?
Absolutely not.
The fact that the iPhone comes with a 4K camera makes 16GB absolutely ridiculous. If you can fill up your entire capacity with just a few minutes of video....that's patently ridiculous. Every other $600+ smartphone these days comes with 32GB for the base model, but Apple still seems stuck in the year 2011.
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Of course no one forces you to buy a 16GB smartphone in the year 2016. That's not the point. The point is that 16GB was fine in 2011, but NAND flash prices have decreased so dramatically in the last 5 years that Apple really just doesn't have an excuse. It would have cost them PENNIES (literally...pennies..) per unit to upgrade it to 32GB, but they didn't, because the unimaginative MBA school morons that run Apple these days couldn't think of a better way to get people to upgrade beyond the base model.Yes, and they FORCE you to buy it!