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And yet, Apple's recently released Apple TV cannot play back 4K video ... and most of their macs have integrated video cards incapable of properly editing 4K video.

If you need them features buy a higher end Mac and a media player that can do 4K (I'd highly recommend the Nvidia Shield).

4K is still in its infancy. Even on the 6s the setting to enable 4K recording is off by default. Every single person I know who doesn't spend time on tech forums did not know this. Even after telling them and explaining the size to quality tradeoffs most opted to leave it off.

Give you just enough to stay on the top but never enough that you dont need to upgrade for 5 years.

My 5 year old 2011 MacBook Pro says hi.

Which is why I am opting for 128 GB as my minimum. With 4K and Live Photo's, the additional space is crucial for me.

I'm thinking exactly the same thing, and with the dual lens camera on the 7 Plus, it will probably take up more storage per photo.

This is a losing strategy long term. On board storage is not the way forward for me personally. Thinking 128GB for 4K 60FPS will be enough because you had 64Gb in the past may not quite work out file size per minute:

1080p @ 30fps: 130MB
1080p @ 60fps: 200MB
4K @ 30fps: 375MB

And as SMIDG3T points out:

60FPS 4K would take up, roughly, 700MB per minute.

At that rate even with a 128GB phone you're not able to store a lot of video locally.

I use iCloud Photo Library and optimise storage on my iPhone. This way I can have access to my entire library (over 40,000 photos and 1,500 videos) at all times. I have a 64GB iPhone 6 and I currently use about 44GB (I also have about 120 apps).

While my solution is not for everyone, in the UK I have good cellular data and WiFi pretty much everywhere so my system works for me - I would think about how you guys store your media going forward.

As an additional backup to iCloud, a few years ago I bought a NAS - the Synology companion app for the iPhone (DS Photo) automatically uploads all my media to the NAS when I'm on my home network. I can also download certain photos and videos to my phone for offline viewing. You could even maybe use Dropbox - and mark your favourite photos albums available for offline viewing. Lots of options out there, it may be a shrewd move to save money on the handset storage and invest in local storage or a cloud service that can provide more space than your phone will.

With the use of cloud services I'm thinking about dropping down to the 32GB iPhone next time (I've been on 64GB models since 2012).

The SE is already here......

And it comes with a magical feature - a dedicated headphone socket!

Or for me a useless feature as I've moved to Bluetooth. Good job we have options as I'd take Bluetooths limitations over wires each and every time.

I've got an iPhone 6 but I have no desire to upgrade to this whatsoever.

I'm on the fence, I prefer internal upgrades over look. And there are a lot of nice improvements with the 7. For example iOS 10 with 3D Touch alone is a huge jump in UX for me. However I keep thinking I should wait for next years iPhone... I buy my handsets off contract so I'm in no rush - especially as my 6 is holding up really well.
 
VERY unlikely, I should say. VERY few? No? other dedicated high(er)-end action cameras offer 4k@60, let alone phone cameras.

That is, I'm 100% sure it won't have true 60 fps at 4k.
 
Friday 9th preorder and delivery on the 16th *Fingers crossed*

Definitely pre-orders this Friday but will we have to wait an extra week last like year? There have been some years when the iPhone went on sale the following week. I hope that's the case this year.
 
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I think we can expect an updated version of AppleTV with 4K support this fall.
It doesn't make sense to sell iPhones capable of shooting 4K video and not being able to play them on the Apple TV.
Exactly. Apple TV in need of an update.
 
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Because it looks great. I'm used to seeing all my iPhone videos in 60fps. If I record anything at 30fps it looks really bad to me, it depends on what you're used to I guess.
That is not the constructive argument I was looking for. If that was the case we would have all movies in cinema now on 60fps and not on the old 24fps.
So again, can someone with MORE knowledge please explain to me what is really the benefit of having 60fps (except slow mo effect) when we have cinema format 24fps, and tv 25&30fps?
 
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But many users don't make 4K video.
32GB as the base option is finally a good storage value, you can have a lot of apps and images.
I'd buy the second tier though, I have about 50GB of data on my phone
But many users don't make video.

There fixed it for you. I've never shot any Video on my phone or my DSLR. It does not interest me in the slightest.
Therefore, my use case is very different to yours. I wish people would consider that other people may use their device in a different manner to they do before posting.
 
Apple will be force to upgrade the smaller iPhones to have 1080p just show that it equal to cheap Chinese knock offs selling at a third of the iPhone. Recording video at 4K but smaller I phones can only show it at 750p to the user is useless since it will be crappy looking due to limits of the 750p resolution!
 
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Exactly. Apple TV in need of an update.

The Apple TV uses a A8, it can playback 4K h264 content, but Apple "disabled" it. Most likely it won't ever get to play 4K and they will make a new model that does 4K h265 Main10.
 
Will be keeping my 4s for sometime longer. Still rocks everything well.

No idea how you get by with that tiny ass display, horrible camera, outdated processor, soon-obsolete iOS version, etc but whatever floats your boat I guess.
 
That's nice, but Apple needs to give us separate control of frame rate and resolution. I have an iPhone 6, so maybe it's different for the newer models. But my options are 720p30, 1080p30, and 1080p60. I would rather use 720p60, because that's what I shoot and edit in with my camcorder.
 
Then use 1080p at 30 fps. Nobody is making you use 4K
Nobody implied 4K/60fps was required. What did you read?

But then again, you aren't force to shoot in 4k 60fps. You can still shoot in 1080p and enjoy double the capacity.

What was in that quote that led you to assume the poster was implying 4K/60fps was required or forced?
 
I think we can expect an updated version of AppleTV with 4K support this fall.
It doesn't make sense to sell iPhones capable of shooting 4K video and not being able to play them on the Apple TV.

And yet, that is exactly what Apple did in the latest :apple:TV rollout. In fact, in the very same session they lauded 4K capabilities for other Apple devices and then rolled out new :apple:TV without 4K.

BUT, I'm right with you in hoping that maybe this is a catalyst for an :apple:TV hardware upgrade so it can play back 4K shot, edited, rendered & stored on the rest of the Apple product lineup. It is the only link in an all-Apple chain between 4K video creation and easily displaying that 4K on a 4K TV.
 
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Although I am interested in a new phone, the 4k is not going to be a selling point for 99% of the folk. We are simply not ready for 4k, there is no need at this point, not enough media. It's like being sold a curved 40" tv. Or 3D. Probably higher than 99% actually.
 
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