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iPhone 7 Series Said to Feature 60FPS 4K Video Recording Capability

Freida said:
Can someone explain to me what is the use of 60fps, please?
Cinema format is 24fps, TV is 30fps in US and 25fps in Europe
48fps on Hobbit wasn't really well received so that only reason for 60fps I see is to have slow motion effect in which 60fps doesn't really give you that much slow motion anyway.

So, what is the real and true benefit to someone wanting to shoot 60fps? Cinema was on 24fps for ages and apparently there was always reason for it so what am I missing?
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Off the top of my head....

1. Very smooth, slow motion video clips. Great for sporting shots etc
2. AR / VR software that feels more fluid and immersive with less motion sickness due to higher FPS and Resolution.
3. Lower resolution at increased FPS, e.g. 120 or 240 fps for even slower motion captures.

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upthetoffees said:
Although I am interested in a new phone, the 4k is not going to be a selling point for 99% of the folk. We are simply not ready for 4k, there is no need at this point, not enough media. It's like being sold a curved 40" tv. Or 3D. Probably higher than 99% actually.
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The 4K is a huge selling point, people actually bought into it in terms of YouTube/TV. It's 2016, and 1080p is on a steep decline. Curved and 3D tech never had wide adoption. Keep in mind that assuming people keep their phones for 2 years, this is expected to last until *2018*.
 
jadAce said:
The 4K is a huge selling point, people actually bought into it in terms of YouTube/TV. It's 2016, and 1080p is on a steep decline. Curved and 3D tech never had wide adoption. Keep in mind that assuming people keep their phones for 2 years, this is expected to last until *2018*.
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There's almost nothing to watch in 4k. How can it be a huge selling point. Most (the 99%+) people that make movies with their phones do not want huge files and ridiculously high resolution quality, 1080 is fine, it's actually ridiculous to suggest 4k 'has arrived' - it really hasn't.
 
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jadAce said:
No idea how you get by with that tiny ass display, horrible camera, outdated processor, soon-obsolete iOS version, etc but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Really, horrible camera? 8MP, it's not horrible. Tiny display? 4s is 640px wide, 6/6s is 750px wide, so hardly tiny!

I think there is a great deal of exaggeration as to how great 6/6s are and what 7 will be. I've played around with 6/6s and they are better, but they are not supremely better. They are bulky beasts however.

4s still works, and well. I wait and hope for Apple to deliver a 4-inch all-new iPhone sometime soon.
 
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Freida said:
Can someone explain to me what is the use of 60fps, please?
Cinema format is 24fps, TV is 30fps in US and 25fps in Europe
48fps on Hobbit wasn't really well received so that only reason for 60fps I see is to have slow motion effect in which 60fps doesn't really give you that much slow motion anyway.

So, what is the real and true benefit to someone wanting to shoot 60fps? Cinema was on 24fps for ages and apparently there was always reason for it so what am I missing?
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Smoother video such as when the camera is moving and thus everything on screen will be moving. I shoot a lot of sports at 60fps. Among other things, it yields a less jerky motion when the camera is panning left & right or up & down.

Cinema format at 24fps was not a quality-driven choice. It was chosen because it was about the slowest they could go and still have what seemed to be smooth motion. In other words, 24fps was a decision driven by cheapest (for the studios), not best (for the movie watchers)... as in "what can we get away with to make this production as cheap as possible?" instead of "what is the very best end result we can possibly deliver to our viewers?"
 
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Mr. Dee said:
If I were Apple, I would just start taking orders today.
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Sounds like a great idea... o_Oo_Oo_O

"Would you like to pre-order the iPhone 7, sir?"

"Well, please tell me about it so I know what I'm buying."

"We can't do that sir, the reveal is tomorrow."

"Oh."
 
upthetoffees said:
There's almost nothing to watch in 4k. How can it be a huge selling point. Most (the 99%+) people that make movies with their phones do not want huge files and ridiculously high resolution quality, 1080 is fine, it's actually ridiculous to suggest 4k 'has arrived' - it really hasn't.
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Let's make the (incorrect) assumption that it hasn't arrived (I assume you don't watch Netflix). Does that mean the feature just shouldn't be there? lol that makes no sense. 99% of people "get by" with features from 2010 and yet here we are. 4K isn't being forced on people, it's an option for high end users and people who do professional or higher grade work in terms of recording.
 
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Just curious: Do most of you decide to buy a new iPhone based on 1 or 2 new features / selling points? Or based on the entirety of new features? I have a 6 and looking at the features probably being announced tomorrow - and the features that came with the 6s - it seems like a good list.
I should add that I do not care much about the exterior design, I use a case anyway, so perhaps that makes focusing on internal features and elegance of use easier for me than for some of you - for whom a new exterior would be an important factor.
 
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Personally, I hope this rumor is true. 4K 60fps would be a terrific feature upgrade on a mobile device that is going to have a camera and shoot 4K anyway. Having a 4K 60fps camera in your pocket at about all times facilitates the opportunity to capture any big or little moment at high resolution and silky smooth.

It doesn't force anyone to ONLY shoot 4K60fps but it is a terrific option for the video quality hounds- like me- who would rather capture even life's little moments at "overkill" quality because I know I can't come back in the future when this quality of video & fps might be the norm and reshoot those same moments.

If you've ever watched old, old home movies shot on VHS or earlier on your HDTV and wished that you can have those same precious movies reshot in the much greater clarity of HD, you know the feeling of shooting with a popular (mainstream) lower quality standard of the time and then trying to make it work 10, 20, 30+ years later when the mainstream has stepped up several notches. I've got plenty of old family movies shot with the mainstream quality of the times. Obviously, they are NOT HD quality and I wish I could go back to those moments and re-shoot them at HD. But that's impossible, so I live with chips upscaling lower resolution video as good as those chips can guess what should be in the pixels they are making up. That never looks as good as native 4K or native HD source where all the guessing is not necessary.

Rendering down to current standards yields exceptional quality current standards playback. Rendering up from a lower quality shoot means a chip has to make up the details that could have been captured, but were not.

Besides, building 4K60fps into a mobile device retailing for about $1000 should get the camcorder manufacturers moving on bringing 4K60fps to their consumer models at competitive pricing. I'd definitely like to see that too.

As much as I'm so very (personally) down on ejecting the headphone jack, I'm so very up on the possibility of Apple adding 4K60fps to the new iPhone. For those gushing at the idea of the still camera improvements rumored to be coming with this phone, this is basically an optional way to bring significant improvement to the motion that can be captured through that same camera. Instead of one better still frame captured when you take a picture, it could also capture 60 better still frames PER SECOND when shooting video. WOW! WOW! WOW!
 
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smacrumon said:
4s still works, and well. I wait and hope for Apple to deliver a 4-inch all-new iPhone sometime soon.
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Good that you are still happily using the 4s, but waiting for a new 4inch phone might not seem realistic. would you not consider getting the newer 5?
 
jadAce said:
Let's make the (incorrect) assumption that it hasn't arrived (I assume you don't watch Netflix). Does that mean the feature just shouldn't be there? lol that makes no sense. 99% of people "get by" with features from 2010 and yet here we are. 4K isn't being forced on people, it's an option for high end users and people who do professional or higher grade work in terms of recording.
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It's a major selling point you say, then you are saying 'a feature' should exist to interest a niche part of audience. Which is it? Cannot be both.

So, the Netflix argument. Are you suggesting people should pay a premium for 4k tvs so they can watch a handful of titles on netflix, some demo reels from the manufacturer and some potentially shoddy home videos they made with the 4k 'feature' on their phones? Pretty expensive setup for something so trivial. I repeat, most people do not care about 4k, it's not a true selling point at all.
 
jadAce said:
To imply that the 2016 6S is "hardly better" than hardware from 2011 is pretty ignorant, unless all you're doing is iMessage. Don't even get me started with the camera improvements - I hope you realize by now that more MP doesn't mean better pictures.

Not all of us have tiny hands. Good luck with that "all new 4-inch" dream.
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You don't need to have tiny hands to want a 4-inch iPhone, just the lack of desire to carry something larger around. That 4-inch size seemed to be quite a good size from 2007-2014 and up to today.

The 4-inch dream isn't over, SE suggests the next release, next year will bring an all new iPhone 4" back into the line up from the beginning.

I know the differences in hardware from 2011 to 2016, and MP differences, it's better, but not supremely better. I'm waiting and bypassing this next model. Photos still look great on 4s. If you want supreme quality, go for a dedicated camera, not a point and shoot iPhone (or Samsung).
 
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Tompkinson said:
Good that you are still happily using the 4s, but waiting for a new 4inch phone might not seem realistic. would you not consider getting the newer 5?
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I've considered 5s and SE in the past, but they are an awful mix of newish tech in old designed packages. I'm happy to wait longer. 4S still functions well, battery still works (and side note the battery can be replaced!).
And... 4S looks supremely beautiful. No need to upgrade for the moment.
 
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Freida said:
That is not the constructive argument I was looking for. If that was the case we would have all movies in cinema now on 60fps and not on the old 24fps.
So again, can someone with MORE knowledge please explain to me what is really the benefit of having 60fps (except slow mo effect) when we have cinema format 24fps, and tv 25&30fps?
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The benefit is because it looks good. Are you saying that 60fps videos from an iPhone don't look good? They do, they look great.

Why has cinema not moved past 24fps? There are historical/technical reasons, and people think it looks weird because they aren't used to it. One day that will change though (maybe.)

Edit - a big complaint people had about the high frame rate Hobbit movie was that it looked "too real" - like they were looking at actors on a set. For a video shot on an iPhone, it looking more "real" is a good thing.
 
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smacrumon said:
Really, horrible camera? 8MP, it's not horrible. Tiny display? 4s is 640px wide, 6/6s is 750px wide, so hardly tiny!

I think there is a great deal of exaggeration as to how great 6/6s are and what 7 will be. I've played around with 6/6s and they are better, but they are not supremely better. They are bulky beasts however.

4s still works, and well. I wait and hope for Apple to deliver a 4-inch all-new iPhone sometime soon.
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Apple's camera tech from 2011 compared to today isn't nearly as sharp on detail, 8MP or not. Although it's probably serviceable enough. The 4S is also a 3.5" screen, so compared to the 4.7" and 5.5", yeah, it is tiny. Regarding an "all-new" 4-inch iPhone, I think the SE is the closest you're going to get to that, but I could be wrong. I say none of this to begrudge you your 4S, if that works for you, stick with it. My wife stuck with her 4S until the 6S, and having tinkered around with it, I definitely couldn't rock it because I need the Plus sized screen as my hands are a bit big and my fine motor skills not all that great.
 
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SMIDG3T said:
Definitely pre-orders this Friday but will we have to wait an extra week last like year? There have been some years when the iPhone went on sale the following week. I hope that's the case this year.
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Indeed, given the Samsung recall, it would be a massive kick to Samsung if Apple do a quicker launch. Could convert some of them.
 
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