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Smartphones have peaked say some, will iPhone 7 mark the slow decline in sales?

Expensive, a lookalike, same as the rather tired iPhone 6 series, this could mark a slow downward trend for Apple.

What say you?

Smartphones have peaked, but the ip7 will still do reasonably well. Not 2015 sales numbers well, but reasonably well.
 
End of the day the iPhone 7 sales will decline. Unless Apple sells them for less than normal. The average Joe will look at it and see it the same is the 6 and 6s. The average Joe wants it to look different from what they currently have or they wont see it as an upgrade. A lot of them wont care and just upgrade when they can. A guy at my work just upgraded to a 6s 2 weeks ago. I asked him why he didn't wait till the 7 but he didn't seem bothered.
They will decline because every Tom Dick and Harry knows that the iPhone 8 blows away the iPhone 7 thanks to the leaks
 
Guys cmon.....be happy....the best iPhone ever is coming up in a few days....don't you feel excited :)
 
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Smartphones have peaked, but the ip7 will still do reasonably well. Not 2015 sales numbers well, but reasonably well.
Agreed, all phones have peaked we are entering a time of relatively stable sales. Replacements, people changing back and forth, and a moderate increase due to increasing market size. Nothing of series note, simply stabilization of market as early and mid range adopters know have a phone.

Apple has huge cash reserves and still garners highest profit margins on high end market. Growth is simply stabilizing.
 
Based on product maturity curves readily available from business schools. All product sales go through phases. Early adoption, rapid growth, leveling off during maturity as unit sales become based on replacement rather than new adoption. Adding abilities, and trade off with completion will create spikes, but by and large overall phases will be seen.

Nothing new or startling in what I have stated. By opening new markets, China, India for instance Apple has attempted to continue the phenomenal sales growth it experienced in United States. The disposable income and fierce local competition from business as well as government protectionism have curtailed these efforts to some extent. Again this has been well documented, Feel free to hunt down the news articles.

As to what functions the hand held computer devices perform, I should think it rather self evident to any user. Beyond that not sure what "actual data" you refer to. Predictions are just that, data from future is not readily available, as crystal balls and time machines don't exist. So by the very nature of the topics, educated conjecture based on observations and past experiences are all Anyone can go on.

i'd be happy to entertain and discuss any alternative conjecture. Our hand held computing devices could be the one exception to past product sales. Perhaps people will continue to buy this product totally beyond need, replacing it continuously with ever increasing ferocity. Spurring growth to ever newer heights each year. Or sales could decline to a point the viability of Apple will become in question. But I strongly doubt either of these extremes will come to pass.
I quoted a person saying the majority of people buy iPhone as a status symbol. Your response was rather detailed but had not much to do with backing that statement. I just don't think there is any evidence pointing towards the fact that the majority of iPhones are purchased as a "status symbol", as the person I quoted had said.
 
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Sales have already started to decline with the 6S. There's no reason to think the 7 (or basically the 6SS) will buck the trend with no redesign for the clueless masses.

I read a recent poll that basically puts cost above anything else. Functions was second. OS was dead last. Manufacturer was second to last. And if that's the case, then it's no wonder they're flocking to Samsung's shiny OLED phones.

Obviously, if Apple wants to reignite sales, they're going to have to make people care about iOS as well as shiny. That's marketing. And probably futile if they haven't gotten people to care by now. With the same design, it's an uphill battle for the next year. I guess camera and waterproofing will be the focus for now, but Samsung already beat them to it.
 
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When you work with teenagers, you'll know what I mean. It's so bad that they rather walk around with an iPhone with a cracked screen rather than put a case on it just in case others can't tell that they own an iPhone!
Let's not forget the rants from spoiled brats after Christmas that post on YouTube about how they hate their lives and their parents don't love them cause they didn't get an iPhone!
So you've concluded that most iPhone sales go to teenagers who buy them as status symbols based on your personal experience? I don't see it but I'll respect that opinion and carry on.
 
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Pro-Apple bloggers *cough*imore*cough* will mock the decline of smartphones, but the iPhone is moving past its peak. The discussion shouldn't be "Oh look, the iPhone is in decline" but "what will Apple do next?".

The smart watch just isn't there and Apple continues to be sorely behind in services.
 
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Guys cmon.....be happy....the best iPhone ever is coming up in a few days....don't you feel excited :)
I do....a little. Should be wicked fast phone.
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I quoted a person saying the majority of people buy iPhone as a status symbol. Your response was rather detailed but had not much to do with backing that statement. I just don't think there is any evidence pointing towards the fact that the majority of iPhones are purchased as a "status symbol", as the person I quoted had said.
Kinda hard to flesh out motivation. Suspect even the buyer may not fully comprehend their own motivations. Most likely mixed. Self dillusional is the most powerful dillusional of all.
 
They will decline because every Tom Dick and Harry knows that the iPhone 8 blows away the iPhone 7 thanks to the leaks
There are those who will buy this years model and next years model, like me. And those who will do something different. Hard to predict, don't you think. It's like trying to predict the weather, if every day, you say it will rain, eventually you will be right. (even in a desert)
 
When you work with teenagers, you'll know what I mean. It's so bad that they rather walk around with an iPhone with a cracked screen rather than put a case on it just in case others can't tell that they own an iPhone!
Let's not forget the rants from spoiled brats after Christmas that post on YouTube about how they hate their lives and their parents don't love them cause they didn't get an iPhone!
You've brought up a very good point.

Teenagers and a very large number of others buy iPhones as a status symbol to show off with... To boost their self esteem. We see it here on the forum in threads like show off your...

These kinds of threads don't have anything to do with a discussion, but rather it's all narcissistic posturing and posing. Bragging about their shiny iPhone and what color it is.

Playing into Apple's hands, they open mommy and daddy's wallets to buy or finance the iPhone they lust after. Young adults go into debt to have the latest iPhone. Anything to be seen as cool.

This is the brilliance of Apple marketing, they have positioned themselves as purveyors of fashionable shiny devices. Selling colors brings far greater profits than spending R&D money to improve the product and keep it contemporary.

Steve Jobs was a brilliant salesman that convinced the masses he was a tech guru. He made Apple appeal to fellow narcissists and the general public as well. Brilliantly played.
 
You've brought up a very good point.

Teenagers and a very large number of others buy iPhones as a status symbol to show off with... To boost their self esteem. We see it here on the forum in threads like show off your...

These kinds of threads don't have anything to do with a discussion, but rather it's all narcissistic posturing and posing. Bragging about their shiny iPhone and what color it is.

Playing into Apple's hands, they open mommy and daddy's wallets to buy or finance the iPhone they lust after. Young adults go into debt to have the latest iPhone. Anything to be seen as cool.

This is the brilliance of Apple marketing, they have positioned themselves as purveyors of fashionable shiny devices. Selling colors brings far greater profits than spending R&D money to improve the product and keep it contemporary.

Steve Jobs was a brilliant salesman that convinced the masses he was a tech guru. He made Apple appeal to fellow narcissists and the general public as well. Brilliantly played.
It is great marketing. And upon the release of the new ones, the students get rougher with their older ones. They kick it around or throw it at walls so they can get a replacement.
I feel pretty bad for their parents!
After Christmas, some more around for a couple of weeks cause they got a Moto G instead of an iPhone or some cheapo tablet instead of an iPad!
 
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I think it's very hard to predict.

Android enjoys a huge market share worldwide. With a massive array of models in every size and price they have a bright future.


iPhone has fiercely loyal customers who are fashion conscious. With millions of stylish cases and a vast third party accessory industry it's a self esteem builder for many.

It'll be interesting.

Android is hurting too with decreased sales. Android is for the masses while iPhone is for the decerning owner who wants quality and a phone that will not blow up and catch fire while charging.

Apple will do will no matter what.
 
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When you work with teenagers, you'll know what I mean. It's so bad that they rather walk around with an iPhone with a cracked screen rather than put a case on it just in case others can't tell that they own an iPhone!
Let's not forget the rants from spoiled brats after Christmas that post on YouTube about how they hate their lives and their parents don't love them cause they didn't get an iPhone!


More internet myths like the cat in the microwave
 
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It is great marketing. And upon the release of the new ones, the students get rougher with their older ones. They kick it around or throw it at walls so they can get a replacement.
I feel pretty bad for their parents!
After Christmas, some more around for a couple of weeks cause they got a Moto G instead of an iPhone or some cheapo tablet instead of an iPad!
Since anecdotal experiences supposedly mean something on a wider scale (at least according to some it seems), I'll throw in my anecdotal experiences of seeing more and more younger people with Android and other non-Apple devices in recent years, meaning that the iPhone isn't really much of a symbol of anything for them and just another smartphone, which their generation is taking for granted these days like many other things that aren't treated as status symbols.
 
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Most people in North America, Europe, and other well developed areas have smartphones. Elsewhere in the world, you don't have nearly the market saturation - and most of these areas can't afford the higher end smartphones. The bottom tier is the greatest market for growth...something Apple has long ignored (and really should go after, as, while they won't make the per unit profit of the high end, it will significantly increase their base for their service revenue).
As for this year - you can't help but think that the Samsung recall, with the timing of it can only bolster iPhone 7 sales. It may be enough to keep Apple from seeing a significant dip this year.
 
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It's been incremental improvements since 2012. The iPhone 6S is fundamentally not that much more functional than an iPhone 5.
 
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I think it's very hard to predict.

Android enjoys a huge market share worldwide. With a massive array of models in every size and price they have a bright future.


iPhone has fiercely loyal customers who are fashion conscious. With millions of stylish cases and a vast third party accessory industry it's a self esteem builder for many.

It'll be interesting.
The old market share discussion. The real question is how are the individual manufacturers of android handsets going to do.

Now let's repeat, who makes out in android market share? GOOGLE.
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You've brought up a very good point.

Teenagers and a very large number of others buy iPhones as a status symbol to show off with... To boost their self esteem. We see it here on the forum in threads like show off your...

These kinds of threads don't have anything to do with a discussion, but rather it's all narcissistic posturing and posing. Bragging about their shiny iPhone and what color it is.

Playing into Apple's hands, they open mommy and daddy's wallets to buy or finance the iPhone they lust after. Young adults go into debt to have the latest iPhone. Anything to be seen as cool.

This is the brilliance of Apple marketing, they have positioned themselves as purveyors of fashionable shiny devices. Selling colors brings far greater profits than spending R&D money to improve the product and keep it contemporary.

Steve Jobs was a brilliant salesman that convinced the masses he was a tech guru. He made Apple appeal to fellow narcissists and the general public as well. Brilliantly played.
And you made money off of that salesmanship (as did others), so you can't have it both ways.
 
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They will decline because every Tom Dick and Harry knows that the iPhone 8 blows away the iPhone 7 thanks to the leaks

You mean like the 1% of people who actively follow tech sites and rumour blogs? Trust me, leaks or not, most people have no idea what's coming on the iPhone next week (if they even know that one's coming at all) let alone the one that's coming next year.
 
Android is hurting too with decreased sales. Android is for the masses while iPhone is for the decerning owner who wants quality and a phone that will not blow up and catch fire while charging.

Apple will do will no matter what.
Say what?
Android keeps growing. It's just that individual manufacturers that are suffering from decreased market share because a bunch of new players are fighting for the limelight with cheaper and high end phones. HTC and Sony and getting killed while Huawei and ZTE are rising.
Apple iPhones are at he moment still a niche product and so it can only rise so much unless carrier subsidies and installment payments come full swing to all the markets.
Also one way to regain the market would be to offer a cheaper 4.7" model. As nice as the 5SE is, this is the media consumption age and 4" is not big enough.
 
just by saying "now available in piano black" will get a swell of people declaring it the best phone ever.
 
Say what?
Android keeps growing. It's just that individual manufacturers that are suffering from decreased market share because a bunch of new players are fighting for the limelight with cheaper and high end phones. HTC and Sony and getting killed while Huawei and ZTE are rising.
Apple iPhones are at he moment still a niche product and so it can only rise so much unless carrier subsidies and installment payments come full swing to all the markets.
Also one way to regain the market would be to offer a cheaper 4.7" model. As nice as the 5SE is, this is the media consumption age and 4" is not big enough.

Overall sales of smartphones have slowed and none are selling what they expected. We seem to have hit a plateau.
 
There are those who will buy this years model and next years model, like me. And those who will do something different. Hard to predict, don't you think. It's like trying to predict the weather, if every day, you say it will rain, eventually you will be right. (even in a desert)
I will say that the 6S at least offered SOMETHING over the 6.3D Touch,Live Photos,an improved camera for the smaller variant,more RAM,slight water proofing etc

Now the only thing the iPhone 7 has is no antenna bands,headphone jack and a 3DT home button.If my iPhone 6 wasnt a laggy turtle I would have waited for the iPhone 8 which has OLED,glass body,edge display.

No one is gonna upgrade for so less features apart from Android switchers
 
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