Fortunately for Apple,Samsung handed them 2016 on a platter.Several people I know who own a Samsung (not the Note 7 particularly) are looking at Apple as Samsung has been branded dangerous.The iPhone 7 series got a considerable boost in sales,courtesy Samsung
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First its NOT just the IPHONE... your title should be "APPLE the decline"... What has apple REALLY come out with that is ground shaking and in much demand... THE WATCH... Ha... Oh wait the appleTV version 4... Oh forgive me .... The last and final version of the IPOD touch.... Or a GREAT new MacBook pro with removable touch screen...
Ive been on the sideline waiting for apple to make me buy something... But I go in the store and say I have what works and this is Better I'll give them that, but nothing that Compels me to buy something...
APPLE the great decline... Going the way of the BlackBerry....
This is very easy to say. How many companies have done even ONE product that was as successful as the iPad? How about when you add in the iPad, iPhone, MacBook? Pretty solid. We've come to a place where we've reached certain limitations in what can be done technologically. If there's any company that can push the envelope I think it's Apple. Could that change in the next 5 years? Certainly, but I don't see it yet.
I've come to learn that Apple is a company that makes products you either like or don't like. Like Marmite in other words. You sound like you are very critical from the off so convincing you to buy a product is going to be hard before you even start. If you are finding alternatives that are in your mind better, then perhaps that is the way forward.
Apple are not showing any considerable signs of decline and for now their iPhone is a self marketing product due to it being a cult brand. Unless they produce something incredibly poor, I can't see it slipping into decline. Even the iPhone 7 was disappointing enough for me personally not to buy it, but I'm under no illusion it will sell well just like its predecessors.
Indeed, what a terrible mistake from Samsung. We all lose....
Yes, Apple has been doomed for years and years. That's why they are simply not doing well at all and their products are simply not in demand.
It's going to affect the S8 series too.Like idiots they once again put out the "we are investigating" line yesterday.The longer they drag this out the closer it gets to the S8 series which will have people examining it with a microscope
Yes indeed. Apple received a gift of massive proportions. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it.
And Android forums are full of Android fans.
Ford forums are full of Ford fans.
Not too surprising, really.
Apple have always done well out of the iPhone though. This year the Note 7 farce will help with sales of the iPhone 6S Plus and 7 Plus but won't make much difference to the smaller models as phablets aren't for everybody anyway. Unless the Samsung brand has been tarnished and sales of the S7 have also been affected?
It might even tarnish android. Completely anecdotal information here but my own mother and my friends mother asked if they had to return their phones. My mom has an iPhone 6s. Friends has a Moto X.
I can see people wanting to steer clear of Samsung for a bit. Apparently they have some washers and maybe even fridges also lighting on fire. Certainly think they'll recover but there may be a decent slump.
Yet every year sales records are set with the new iPhone. I think a lot of people are waiting for the huge new design refresh in 2017 so the iPhone 8 (or whatever it will be called) will really break sales records.
With that said, there will probably not too many innovations coming on the hardware side, and most changes in the future will come on the software side and integration to external devices.
With that said, there will probably not too many innovations coming on the hardware side, and most changes in the future will come on the software side and integration to external devices.
The average consumer doesnt care about the specifics of each case.A particular family of devices facing an issue within a brand is associated with the brand itself.Pretty sure there may also be customers who went into the carrier store not knowing jack about the Note exclusive features and demanded the best Samsung phone out there.For these people,if Samsung phones are exploding then the next best thing is Apple.Case in point being the SouthWest case.Dude wnet from a 5.7 inch OLED to a 4.7 iPhone.I expect Apple to get a substantial boost in sales because of this
EDIT-And its begun
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ung-considers-scrapping-note-7-brand.2005933/
Apple Shares Hit New High for 2016 as Samsung Considers Scrapping Note 7 Brand
Meanwhile, Apple stock closed on Monday up 1.9 percent at $116.05 per share, its highest value this year. Apple is now trading at levels not seen since December 2015 and has jumped 20 percent over the past three months, partly on renewed optimism over iPhone 7 sales, but also in response to its arch rival's woes.
"The Apple share price was doing nothing for over a year - it was considered ex-growth - now it's possibly the only game in town when it comes to buying a mobile phone," said Michelle McGrade, chief investment officer at TD Direct Investing.
However, with last week's launch of its own-branded Pixel smartphones, Google is also expected to benefit.
"From Google's perspective the timing couldn't have worked out better for them in that they're essentially trying to compete now in the premium sector against the likes of Apple and Samsung," said Creative Strategies analyst Ben Bajarin, speaking to the BBC.
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The Note has never outsold the S series here in the UK to my knowledge so this has definitely affected the brand rather than the particular model ranges reputation. Apple always seem to do well but this will help and is indeed doing so. It isn't the reason they are doing well though, that much is obvious but it's created a nice little buffer for them. I would imagine heads are rolling at Samsung, they've messed up big time.
I don't loose. I don't care what Samsung does or doesn't do. Copying the iPhone, lawsuit Samsung continues to loose by the way, is not being innovative in my eyes. And since I would never even consider a Samsung phone I will wait and see what company comes up with a groundbreaking product that takes over the market like iPod did, like iPhone did, like iPad did. All the rest have simply copied. Sure a screen here or feature there may appear first on other brands. I'll wait till Apple gets it right and puts it on their product.
Truelly innovative products come along rarely. Once the iPod came along replacing ALL other music players with internal disk drive then replaced by solid state memory, that was it. Any further changes were fine tuning and preference not innovative.
Once flip phones, blackberrys, etc were replace by a full screen interactive display all other phones were made obsolete. Everyone copied that design or all but died as a company. Now that we all have a minicomputer in our pocket that happens to have a phone app on it any changes are preferences, fine tuning, but no longer innovative.
Once the iPad was introduced, an alternative to lap top or full screen smart phone became available. Slow to catch on pads are now used extensively with added features being included each year. Neither a pocket/phone replacement, nor a true laptop replacement they serve a useful purpose as primarily content consumption devices.
What will be the next innovative device? Hard to predict as true innovation most likely isn't a predictive or mass desired item, until it appears. Best guess usually comes from science fiction, as our current devices were seen in that venue first.
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I don't see Samsung as #1 innovator. I see them as number one copier. They copied the design of full screen, touch control, overall shape, pull down menus, home button, cameras, basically entire operating system and yes use of LI-Ion batteries. Though the execution was dismal in the Note 7 case. Samsung went so far as to distribute a 136 page document to their engineers on how to copy the iPhone pixel by pixel.
Adding larger screen or other features isn't innovative. But these incremental changes may be competitive depending on how market receives them. The innovation occurred when Apple introduced the full screen touch sensitive smart phone to replace the keyboard style phone. Which were innovative when they were introduced by Motorola. And everyone got the idea for a hand held communicator from science fiction tv show Star Trek in the first place.
Innovation in my eyes is taking a giant bold step way different than what is currently available. A step so bold everyone copies it or goes under like Blackberry. Nothing innovative has taken place in phone market since 2007 iPhone introduction. Constant incremental improvements each release by various companies yes. That's not innovation.
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I'm not quite to the point that we have reached "peak phone", but for the most part our devices will look pretty much like they do right now for the next 5+ years. Faster, lighter, thinner and with some incremental improvements in the way we communicate with them - for example 3D touch, S-pen or Siri.
The big innovations in the near term will all come from the software side and new use cases, and the ecosystem that connects to the device - such as wearables.
The big innovations in the near term will all come from the software side and new use cases, and the ecosystem that connects to the device - such as wearables.
iPhones sales in China are collapsing anyway. It was inevitable - if you make your product in authoritarian China, Chinese companies will get the technology and make their own, not as good at first, then as good, then much better. Same as Japan in the 80s. Plus, Tim Cook is an idiot who's learnt to talk the talk but can't walk the walk, so is running Apple's product line-up into the ground.
I honestly believe mobiles peaked a year or two ago.
We've reached a point where smartphones are powerful enough for their current usage, lightening quick CPUs with 2-4GB RAM. The cameras on them for the last couple of years have been fantastic, very little separates a jump on each model now.
I think this represents more of a risk to Android manufacturers, how does a Samsung or a Sony separate itself from a cheap Chinese brand when the components are so readily available.
Apple is more protected, due to locked down ecosystem, most people don't want to move away from iOS. While I switch back and forth all the time.... My parents, my sister, her boyfriend, none of them would move from iOS.
The next steps for me personally:
- True jump in battery life (solid 1-2 weeks on a single charge with moderate to high usage).
- Near changing, 30m or so.
- Internals powerful enough to be a PC. (Added bonus of being able to dock it and use it as a competent personal computer).
It's a bit like computers.... The real world difference of an i7 6700k and i7 2600k is basically nothing (5 odd years span them both), you'll run pretty much everything at the same speed... With exception very intensive CPU apps or games, which isn't often. I remember the days where you needed a new PC every 12-18 months just to run Windows and Word well....
We've reached a point where smartphones are powerful enough for their current usage, lightening quick CPUs with 2-4GB RAM. The cameras on them for the last couple of years have been fantastic, very little separates a jump on each model now.
I think this represents more of a risk to Android manufacturers, how does a Samsung or a Sony separate itself from a cheap Chinese brand when the components are so readily available.
Apple is more protected, due to locked down ecosystem, most people don't want to move away from iOS. While I switch back and forth all the time.... My parents, my sister, her boyfriend, none of them would move from iOS.
The next steps for me personally:
- True jump in battery life (solid 1-2 weeks on a single charge with moderate to high usage).
- Near changing, 30m or so.
- Internals powerful enough to be a PC. (Added bonus of being able to dock it and use it as a competent personal computer).
It's a bit like computers.... The real world difference of an i7 6700k and i7 2600k is basically nothing (5 odd years span them both), you'll run pretty much everything at the same speed... With exception very intensive CPU apps or games, which isn't often. I remember the days where you needed a new PC every 12-18 months just to run Windows and Word well....
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I would say the economy is getting ready to decline, along with everything else.
I bet the 8 will cause quite a stir no matter what.
2017 will be an interesting year for both Apple and Samsung.
Apple is, supposedly, going to do a massive refresh of the iPhone next year. Samsung, I think, has a better than even chance of being dogged by continued problems related to the fallout from the Note 7 debacle.
Samsung's biggest problem with that whole mess, in my opinion, is that they still have not found or definitively made public what the exact cause of the explosions was. Short of them finding the root cause of the problem, it's going to be difficult -- if not impossible -- for them to assuage the fear some consumers will rightfully have that a new Samsung phone could go up in flames.
Apple is, supposedly, going to do a massive refresh of the iPhone next year. Samsung, I think, has a better than even chance of being dogged by continued problems related to the fallout from the Note 7 debacle.
Samsung's biggest problem with that whole mess, in my opinion, is that they still have not found or definitively made public what the exact cause of the explosions was. Short of them finding the root cause of the problem, it's going to be difficult -- if not impossible -- for them to assuage the fear some consumers will rightfully have that a new Samsung phone could go up in flames.