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There are too many set up screens in the current iOS. It used to be so simple, straightforward and fast to set up.

Apple needs to make a stand on what features its products offer as default. Simple features should be set up from the get go. If users don't like them, then they change them in settings.

Apple's job is to make simple software and hardware. When it starts asking users lots of questions, then it misses the mark entirely. In some cases, new users don't even understand the questions or the context.

Whatever happened to it "just works"? Today it works, but only after a big unnecessary quiz.

You only have to do it once and it makes the phone more functional. The stuff people complain about here is really unbelievable sometimes.

If a one-time set up for something you'll use every day for the next year or two is too much for you then just stay inside, the world is too difficult for you to navigate.
 
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Again, you are the one deciding what is or isn't necessary or which of Apple's design standards are the best for everybody. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, as am I. What I'm saying is that what is best for you clearly isn't best for everybody.

And, nice try, but you missed again on the analogy. Giving users the option to choose the feedback on the home button would be akin to a restaurant asking their customers what types of meals they would like to see on the menu, or how they want their meat cooked (both of which restaurants do on a regular basis)...not their opinion on how the ink feels.

As for your "standard" that all of your devices be perfectly set up from the instant they're turned on, or that you achieve nirvana in three screens or less, you must be disappointed a lot. Either that, or you never buy anything more complex than a paperback book.
It's not about what I say. There is good design, and there is bad design. Let's set up the initial volume, or let's set up the initial camera mode, let's set up 3d touch pressure, or how about let's set up every other item in the Settings, just because. Good design cuts the extraneous.

You can get your 200 item menu at Android Cafeteria, but at Apple it's a much more refined experience, a smarter experience, at least in previous years that has been the case.
 
There are too many set up screens in the current iOS. It used to be so simple, straightforward and fast to set up.

Apple needs to make a stand on what features its products offer as default. Simple features should be set up from the get go. If users don't like them, then they change them in settings.

Apple's job is to make simple software and hardware. When it starts asking users lots of questions, then it misses the mark entirely. In some cases, new users don't even understand the questions or the context.

Whatever happened to it "just works"? Today it works, but only after a big unnecessary quiz.
Really? Are you completely blind to your surroundings? Setting up should NOT be short and quick. Most people do this once per every few years, when they buy a new device. When you set up your device, you should be given all necessary options from the beginning, because a person has no time or patience going around all Settings panels finding what they want (they probably wouldn't even think of doing it anyway). It shouldn't be complicated, but it should be highly customisable. Which is what the iOS setup is. It's really not complicated and isn't any more than how it was a few years ago.

Compare this to setting up a computer, which requires more steps as a whole. And compare this to actually building a PC and setting up Windows on it. Fun for a nerd like me, but for a customer? Pfft.
 
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You only have to do it once and it makes the phone more functional. The stuff people complain about here is really unbelievable sometimes.

If a one-time set up for something you'll use every day for the next year or two is too much for you then just stay inside, the world is too difficult for you to navigate.
Why isn't the phone more functional without user intervention? That's the point I'm trying to make. There is no need to ask this question about the home button, it should just work properly from the outset.
 
Really? Are you completely blind to your surroundings? Setting up should NOT be short and quick. Most people do this once per every few years, when they buy a new device. When you set up your device, you should be given all necessary options from the beginning, because a person has no time or patience going around all Settings panels finding what they want (they probably wouldn't even think of doing it anyway). It shouldn't be complicated, but it should be highly customisable. Which is what the iOS setup is. It's really not complicated and isn't any more than how it was a few years ago.

Compare this to setting up a computer, which requires more steps as a whole. And compare this to actually building a PC and setting up Windows on it. Fun for a nerd like me, but for a customer? Pfft.
No joke, I feel like I've just logged on to Windows world or planet Android. (Am I in the right forum?)

With respect, set up should give users only the essential options. The set up screens have been growing with every iOS release. It's ridiculous. Apple is paid great sums to sort out the best user experience. Fresh new Macs only require about three or so questions to be answered after switching on for the first time, and that's how it should be.
 
Why isn't the phone more functional without user intervention? That's the point I'm trying to make. There is no need to ask this question about the home button, it should just work properly from the outset.

Apple users are the biggest complainers around. Millions of people would be complaining that the haptic feedback is too strong, or it's too weak. There's an easy way to avoid this: let the user decide. What other parts of the setup do you find unnecessary? iCloud login? Pretty important. Finger print sensor? I'm not sure how that would work without a setup. Really, I can't think of one thing in the iPhone setup that isn't necessary to a lot of users. It literally takes a few minutes.
 
It's not about what I say. There is good design, and there is bad design. Let's set up the initial volume, or let's set up the initial camera mode, let's set up 3d touch pressure, or how about let's set up every other item in the Settings, just because. Good design cuts the extraneous.

You can get your 200 item menu at Android Cafeteria, but at Apple it's a much more refined experience, a smarter experience, at least in previous years that has been the case.

You just contradicted yourself. You said, "It's not about what I say," implying that you aren't trying to decide for everyone. But in the very next sentence, you said, "There is good design and there is bad design," implying that you get to choose what designs are good or bad for everybody.

Which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
 
Thanks, but no issues this end. The issue is about maintaining design standards and what makes Apple great. Less unnecessary options the better.
To use your restaurant example, getting an opinion on the feel of the haptic feedback is like asking a restaurant customer their opinion on the feel of the ink on the menu. It's pointless.

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True, there is hyperbole there. My point is the device should take zero time to set up and be ready to go from powering on. That's the standard, and if that can not be met, then 3 screens to set up, no more.

Really? "Zero time to set up and be ready to go from powering on." You are of course being facetious, right? What smart phone can you use the first time you power it on...I'll hold my breath waiting for the list. What TV can you use the first time you power it on? What computer can you use immediately after powering it on? Even the last home phone I bought (which has not been used for years now) required set-up and it is no smart phone. Cars today require owner involvement the first time you drive it, at least if you want to use any of the electronics.

And further to the point of your being ridiculous, this is, in case you forgot, something you only do once when you buy a new iPhone? If your time is so completely filled that you can't be bothered with taking a couple of minutes to set up a new iPhone (including the fully wasteful picking a haptic feedback setting), I feel really sorry for you...Wait, you just spent the time writing about wasting your time having to choose a setting in a new iPhone. Isn't writing to complain about it a waste of time? Because certainly no one on here can or would do anything about it.

Maybe you should just go to an Apple store and refuse to click through this portion of the set-up. Tell a store employee that this process is a waste of your time and you just won't choose an option. They need to do it for you and if you happen to not like what they pick, then just take your brand new iPhone 7 (or 7+) and send it to me in the postage paid box I will send to you - problem solved.
 
Anyone else slightly disappointed by the EarPods being in a cardboard frame instead of the nice case they came with in the 6-series phones?
That is a bit disappointing. I'm guessing two possible reasons: further marginalization of wired earphones, and, if they've found that some large percentage of the people never even take them out of the iPhone box (I've got at least one set still in the box like that), then it's saving yet more renewable resources to not put them in a plastic case, and they are trying very hard to cut back on non-renewable packaging. I wonder, if one buys Lightning EarPods as a separate item (once they're available that way), if they'll come with a plastic case (as, at that point, it's pretty clear you'll definitely use them).
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On an article that I didn't think would warrant any complaints, the two top comments are... complaints. Amazing.
Complaints are the new black. Uh, or something like that. I really feel that there is a percentage of the readers who are here to complain, and any new article is just grist for the mill.
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I feel for you.
The effort to select and tapping your choice within 3 seconds is just too much to handle.
"But I want an Oompa Loompa NOW, daddy!"
 
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Finally just wanted to add - sorry for being a bit rude about all this, but it truly is a big deal. ESPECIALLY for those smaller languages - good technological support could even be a deciding factor if the language can survive at all in our modern globalised world.
This is precisely the sort of “right thing” Tim so loves to talk about. Like supporting people with disabilities, language support should also be treated not from the perspective of cold profit.

Apple is an American company and while they are represented worldwide they do not think that way. I used to be in Export Marketing and had to collect at times 12 languages for multiple product inserts.

What a pain and always guessing that the translations weren't sophisticated or what one really wanted to say.

Sometimes the subsidiaries would send in translations from a secretary, who knows if that person was creative enough.

So, for your language it may be as simple as the fact that they do not have a local presence other than a distributor.
Whatever the set up is, as somebody suggested, I'd ask Apple to be more international.

I am pretty sure it's not about bean counting, just negligence.

Put a picture of your parents in front of their computer with it.

Mine always sit in a way that they are both not or half way in the picture, no concept of where the camera in the eMac is.
 
Good to see Apple include this tidbit of an option on new phones. Kind of wish it was there after updating from iOS 9, but thanks to the MacRumors article I saw the other day I learned about it and changed the functionality.
 
Apple users are the biggest complainers around. Millions of people would be complaining that the haptic feedback is too strong, or it's too weak. There's an easy way to avoid this: let the user decide. What other parts of the setup do you find unnecessary? iCloud login? Pretty important. Finger print sensor? I'm not sure how that would work without a setup. Really, I can't think of one thing in the iPhone setup that isn't necessary to a lot of users. It literally takes a few minutes.
Haptic feedback set up is the only one I'm "complaining" about. Completely unnecessary.
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Really? "Zero time to set up and be ready to go from powering on." You are of course being facetious, right? What smart phone can you use the first time you power it on...I'll hold my breath waiting for the list. What TV can you use the first time you power it on? What computer can you use immediately after powering it on? Even the last home phone I bought (which has not been used for years now) required set-up and it is no smart phone. Cars today require owner involvement the first time you drive it, at least if you want to use any of the electronics.

And further to the point of your being ridiculous, this is, in case you forgot, something you only do once when you buy a new iPhone? If your time is so completely filled that you can't be bothered with taking a couple of minutes to set up a new iPhone (including the fully wasteful picking a haptic feedback setting), I feel really sorry for you...Wait, you just spent the time writing about wasting your time having to choose a setting in a new iPhone. Isn't writing to complain about it a waste of time? Because certainly no one on here can or would do anything about it.

Maybe you should just go to an Apple store and refuse to click through this portion of the set-up. Tell a store employee that this process is a waste of your time and you just won't choose an option. They need to do it for you and if you happen to not like what they pick, then just take your brand new iPhone 7 (or 7+) and send it to me in the postage paid box I will send to you - problem solved.
Who cares about other phones, I'm talking about iPhone. There are lots of devices than can be turned on without setup. I'm saying three set up screens, but no more. They've increased with each iOS release.
I'm specifically talking about the taptic setup. It's rubbish. Unnecessary. The aim is to make devices better, not bloated.
With respect, if you're not here discussing how to make things even more intuitive and better, then why comment and criticise.
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You just contradicted yourself. You said, "It's not about what I say," implying that you aren't trying to decide for everyone. But in the very next sentence, you said, "There is good design and there is bad design," implying that you get to choose what designs are good or bad for everybody.

Which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
There is good design and poor design. http://www.manifestoproject.it/ten-principles-for-good-design/
Asking for haptic setting is a nonsense, it is a non-essential, it should be set from the factory at a level most users will appreciate. Those who don't like it can change it later. 99.9% will like it if Apple gets its user testing right.
We don't get asked about how bright the screen is do we? That is set by iOS and we get to choose later if we don't like the brightness.
From power on, the fastest route to actually using the phone please. Some non tech heads don't even understand the context of these set up questions, thats also a reason to limit set up questions.
 
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Haptic feedback set up is the only one I'm "complaining" about. Completely unnecessary.
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Who cares about other phones, I'm talking about iPhone. There are lots of devices than can be turned on without setup. I'm saying three set up screens, but no more. They've increased with each iOS release.
I'm specifically talking about the taptic setup. It's rubbish. Unnecessary. The aim is to make devices better, not bloated.
With respect, if you're not here discussing how to make things even more intuitive and better, then why comment and criticise.


So you're saying that:

1. Your opinion that it is unnecessary to have the home button setup option during the initial phone set up is the only one trying to make the phone "better"
2. There should be no more than 3 screens during the entire setup process
3. Those of us who feel differently about either of those points are completely wrong and should just keep our comments to ourselves?

Fat chance.

Get over yourself.
 
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So you're saying that:

1. Your opinion that it is unnecessary to have the home button setup option during the initial phone set up is the only one trying to make the phone "better"
2. There should be no more than 3 screens during the entire setup process
3. Those of us who feel differently about either of those points are completely wrong and should just keep our comments to ourselves?

Fat chance.

Get over yourself.
It's okay to question authority, in this case, Apple.
I'm saying the phone should work absolutely fine without asking a taptic feedback question. The old home button worked without questions, why can't this new home button work fine without questions too? If it can't, then something isn't right.

I'm saying limit the screens, 3 plus or minus is a good aim. Mac setup can do it in just a few questions, so could iOS.

No, I'm not saying you should keep you comments to yourself. BUT think it through, would you like to just turn on a new device and not have to walk through the hoops? I think if you answered honestly you'd say you'd prefer to switch it on and just launch the new camera, or switch it on and send a new message effect, etc.
 
Why on earth do users even need to customize a taptic Home button? It should just work great without user intervention right out the box, should it not?

It does work right out of the box...and Apple gives people the choice of how they want it to work, just like they give you the choice to connect to your wifi network during set-up and choose to use Apple Pay, etc. You're arguing that choice is a problem and that is just ridiculous. If Apple didn't give people the choice of how to set up something new, THEN we would hear the complaints, but you're going the other direction - and getting me and several others to engage in your shenanigans is a waste of everyone's time.
 
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It's okay to question authority, in this case, Apple.
I'm saying the phone should work absolutely fine without asking a taptic feedback question. The old home button worked without questions, why can't this new home button work fine without questions too? If it can't, then something isn't right.

I'm saying limit the screens, 3 plus or minus is a good aim. Mac setup can do it in just a few questions, so could iOS.

No, I'm not saying you should keep you comments to yourself. BUT think it through, would you like to just turn on a new device and not have to walk through the hoops? I think if you answered honestly you'd say you'd prefer to switch it on and just launch the new camera, or switch it on and send a new message effect, etc.

Actually, I prefer the startup options. I'd like to customize my experience right out of the gate rather than assuming Apple knows what I want. In fact, it would be MORE time consuming for me to go hunt for each individual setting later rather than have Apple lay them out for me right from the getgo. It's bad design to throw someone into a brand new device with zero setup.

I get it- you dislike startup settings. That's OK and understandable. But honestly all it does it take a couple of minutes, and then you never have to touch those settings again if you don't want to. It's one time. One time. Sure, maybe it would be best of both worlds if Apple made a "Skip First time Setup" button, but you're really making mountains out of mole hills.
 
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It's okay to question authority, in this case, Apple.
I'm saying the phone should work absolutely fine without asking a taptic feedback question. The old home button worked without questions, why can't this new home button work fine without questions too? If it can't, then something isn't right.

I'm saying limit the screens, 3 plus or minus is a good aim. Mac setup can do it in just a few questions, so could iOS.

No, I'm not saying you should keep you comments to yourself. BUT think it through, would you like to just turn on a new device and not have to walk through the hoops? I think if you answered honestly you'd say you'd prefer to switch it on and just launch the new camera, or switch it on and send a new message effect, etc.


Believe me, I've thought it through, and I can say with 100% honesty that I prefer having certain things asked of me immediately, so that I don't have to dig through settings to find them later on, even if that means asking me more than three things.

I would much rather spend 10 seconds choosing the feedback option initially, then spend a couple of minutes trying to figure out which setting menu controls it...because it isn't like everything has it's own category that the settings menu is completely intuitive.

As consumers demand more out of our devices and manufacturers make them more complex, the logical progression is that will take a little longer to set up than a version from 5+ years ago.
 
I keep them perfect for the next owner when i sell it. ;)

Smart move. I can't tell you enough how many buyers have been happy I never used the headphones when I sold the iPhone. It's almost as if they were even more eager to purchase the iPhone because of this.
 
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It's okay to question authority, in this case, Apple.
I'm saying the phone should work absolutely fine without asking a taptic feedback question. The old home button worked without questions, why can't this new home button work fine without questions too? If it can't, then something isn't right.

I'm saying limit the screens, 3 plus or minus is a good aim. Mac setup can do it in just a few questions, so could iOS.

No, I'm not saying you should keep you comments to yourself. BUT think it through, would you like to just turn on a new device and not have to walk through the hoops? I think if you answered honestly you'd say you'd prefer to switch it on and just launch the new camera, or switch it on and send a new message effect, etc.

Are we really questioning options during set-up? Hasn't that been a major complaint with Apple throughout the years--to proprietary with this phone?

I think its completely awesome to customize the phone to your touch and how YOU would like to receive feedback from that touch. Would that step in the option take more than 60seconds out of your life?

Just seems a bit reaching to me. But I guess everyone is different. :rolleyes:
 
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