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I agree. I'm still getting prompted to set up Apple Pay. Shouldn't they know I live in a country were it is not available? So why the prompt?
This is exactly the point. For features that aren't supported in a particular country, there should never be a prompt for it.
It's like clicking an 'Ok' button and being told that option isn't available.
 
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After reading about the 'scratchability' of the Jet Black, I changed my mind and went with matte. Even Apple notes that scratches 'may' happen on the Jet Black.

"The high-gloss finish of the jet black iPhone 7 is achieved through a precision nine-step anodization and polishing process. Its surface is equally as hard as other anodized Apple products; however, its high shine may show fine micro-abrasions with use. If you are concerned about this, we suggest you use one of the many cases available to protect your iPhone."
When you read that quote, did you do it with Jony Ivy's voice?
 
I was soooo amped for the Jet Black during the keynote. I didn't get it because I don't need that much storage. I'm glad I didn't get it due to scratching.

If you're going to get a case, why get the jet black and hide it? If you don't though, it'll look like the original iPhones and be scratched to hell in a month.
 
Touch ID, where there are millions of different fingerprints to code, and also relates to device security, is more useful and important a question than setting the parameters of the home button that should have been set at the factory. Do the light switches in our houses need their own settings so that we can adjust their feedback and feel? It's ridiculous stuff here regarding the home button.
I'm just advocating a simpler approach, where as you are advocating a complex approach, with more screens.

Yes, but for people who have no use for Touch ID, making that a mandatory step in the initial setup process is, by your words, a waste of time and a more complex approach with more screens.

As for the sarcastic comment about light switches, the last time I checked, there were no haptic feedback light switches on the market, so that was a senseless analogy. However, now that you've started down that road, I'll share a relevant analogy.

I was at my local Home Depot this past weekend and saw a new product...an LED light bulb with multiple color/Kelvin options. The color (3000K, 4000K or 5000K) can be set by turning the light on and off in quick succession, and the last setting is remembered for the next single on-off switch flip. It is also changeable at any time by going through the setup steps.

It was about $9, which is high, even for an LED bulb. However, given that it effectively serves the purpose of three different light bulb options, it could be considered a good deal for people who want options...despite the requirement of having to program a light bulb.

So based on your logic, that is a completely wasteful thing for GE to have brought to the market because it isn't "simple." But having seen two people buying them that very same day, I would counter that it isn't, and reassert my point that neither you, nor anybody else, can speak for everyone regarding what choices are necessary or wanted.
 
Good to hear at least some progress is happening. :)
Regardless if I stick with Apple or not, hopefully smaller languages will get much more attention in near future.
Just thought of this; does Latvia have official Apple resources? This was a relatively recent development in Hungary and in wondering if that has sown thing to do with the Chang e
 
Way more visible finger prints on the matte in that video. Maybe he didn't touch the jet black because he thinks it'll have prints? Or matte actually gets more finger prints.
 
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Yes, but for people who have no use for Touch ID, making that a mandatory step in the initial setup process is, by your words, a waste of time and a more complex approach with more screens.

As for the sarcastic comment about light switches, the last time I checked, there were no haptic feedback light switches on the market, so that was a senseless analogy. However, now that you've started down that road, I'll share a relevant analogy.

I was at my local Home Depot this past weekend and saw a new product...an LED light bulb with multiple color/Kelvin options. The color (3000K, 4000K or 5000K) can be set by turning the light on and off in quick succession, and the last setting is remembered for the next single on-off switch flip. It is also changeable at any time by going through the setup steps.

It was about $9, which is high, even for an LED bulb. However, given that it effectively serves the purpose of three different light bulb options, it could be considered a good deal for people who want options...despite the requirement of having to program a light bulb.

So based on your logic, that is a completely wasteful thing for GE to have brought to the market because it isn't "simple." But having seen two people buying them that very same day, I would counter that it isn't, and reassert my point that neither you, nor anybody else, can speak for everyone regarding what choices are necessary or wanted.
Just because the button is haptic, doesn't mean it's okay to invite customizations. It should be fine from the get go.
So touch id relates to device security and setting up a unique fingerprint. Setting the feel of a home button that should just work out of the box no questions is just pure insanity. Light, medium heavy, who cares, just make it work heavy until the user wants to change it, don't ask me unnecessary questions.

I view set up as a very simple process, what gets me from opening the box to sending my first message or downloading my first app. That's why I say 3+/- screens. Clearly you view it differently and long questionnaires for setup are better in your view and using the device should be an activity for another day.
 
Just thought of this; does Latvia have official Apple resources? This was a relatively recent development in Hungary and in wondering if that has sown thing to do with the Chang e

As far as I know, none of the Baltic countries have official Apple presence or a single store. Which is unfortunate and also automatically means we don't get anything resembling proper Apple customer service here (the certified resellers are ok, but it's definitely not the same). Apple could definitely do more in this region (and I don't believe for a second they wouldn't be profitable here - it's just a matter of not bothering with "unimportant" regions).
 
As far as I know, none of the Baltic countries have official Apple presence or a single store. Which is unfortunate and also automatically means we don't get anything resembling proper Apple customer service here (the certified resellers are ok, but it's definitely not the same). Apple could definitely do more in this region (and I don't believe for a second they wouldn't be profitable here - it's just a matter of not bothering with "unimportant" regions).
I see. Well, maybe in time. Lack of Siri support in Hungarian frankly doesn't surprise me. that said I haven't looked into Cortana or even Google options. Perhaps I should. My mom would certainly love it.
 
I love reading the posts that complain about having to click through one or two settings, because those seconds are so valuable to them that it is effecting their lives. I'm guessing they're the same people who wish their microwave oven would have a 1 minute cook cycle that lasts 30 seconds...because 1 minute is 30 seconds too much.
 
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I view set up as a very simple process, what gets me from opening the box to sending my first message or downloading my first app. That's why I say 3+/- screens. Clearly you view it differently and long questionnaires for setup are better in your view and using the device should be an activity for another day.
Can you admit there is a little bit of hyperbole in there? Using the device is for another day? Even if it took an hour to set s phone up (which it does not come close to doing) it still wouldn't allow only for next day use.

I agree. The simpler the better. But this is still s five minute setup situation. At worst.
 
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I am so glad to see the clicky home button go away. Crunch home buttons have plagued the last 2 phones I've owned and I've constantly been cleaning them out. Good riddance.
 
Just because the button is haptic, doesn't mean it's okay to invite customizations. It should be fine from the get go.
So touch id relates to device security and setting up a unique fingerprint. Setting the feel of a home button that should just work out of the box no questions is just pure insanity. Light, medium heavy, who cares, just make it work heavy until the user wants to change it, don't ask me unnecessary questions.

I view set up as a very simple process, what gets me from opening the box to sending my first message or downloading my first app. That's why I say 3+/- screens. Clearly you view it differently and long questionnaires for setup are better in your view and using the device should be an activity for another day.

So by having more than three things to set up, you aren't able to use the phone the same day you got it?? If so, your issues are much deeper than a mere home button setup.

And you must have a helluva time going to new restaurants and seeing all those useless menu options. Or do you rant at the waiter about why they don't just offer one meal everybody will want and save you all that precious time so that you can eat your meal the same day you go to the restaurant?

I'm not buying a new phone this year, but I can virtually guarantee that if I did, the extra 30 seconds it takes to set up the home button wouldn't change my life a bit. But clearly you've got better things to do with all that spare time, so you should never buy another new iPhone. Or at least not until Apple comes to their senses and does away with all the options that you deem useless.
 
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Anyone else slightly disappointed by the EarPods being in a cardboard frame instead of the nice case they came with in the 6-series phones?

Actually, yes. That was the very first thing I noticed.

As rarely as I ever use the headphones (pretty much when I'm on a plane or something), I liked the little plastic case they came in before. Perfect for travel.
 
Just go with Gala

i was preparing to get one also..but than i heard about the Galaxy S8 coming early this year! so I will wait..
I'd take the reports about the Galaxy S8 with a grain of salt. The last time Samsung rushed a phone to market, it blew up in their faces (almost literally). I think they will be VERY careful to make sure that the S8 roll out goes smoothly.
 
So by having more than three things to set up, you aren't able to use the phone the same day you got it?? If so, your issues are much deeper than a mere home button setup.

And you must have a helluva time going to new restaurants and seeing all those useless menu options. Or do you rant at the waiter about why they don't just offer one mean everybody will want and save you all that precious time so that you can eat your meal the same day you go to the restaurant?

I'm not buying a new phone this year, but I can virtually guarantee that if I did, the extra 30 seconds it takes to set up the home button wouldn't change my life a bit. But clearly you've got better things to do with all that spare time, so you should never buy another new iPhone. Or at least not until Apple comes to their senses and does away with all the options that you deem useless.
Thanks, but no issues this end. The issue is about maintaining design standards and what makes Apple great. Less unnecessary options the better.
To use your restaurant example, getting an opinion on the feel of the haptic feedback is like asking a restaurant customer their opinion on the feel of the ink on the menu. It's pointless.

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Can you admit there is a little bit of hyperbole in there? Using the device is for another day? Even if it took an hour to set s phone up (which it does not come close to doing) it still wouldn't allow only for next day use.

I agree. The simpler the better. But this is still s five minute setup situation. At worst.
True, there is hyperbole there. My point is the device should take zero time to set up and be ready to go from powering on. That's the standard, and if that can not be met, then 3 screens to set up, no more.
 
Never thought a debate about one extra step, taking only a few seconds longer, on a start up screen that you only see one time, would go on this long. Lol we desperately need something new to talk about.

Personally, i think it's a good idea to include it in the startup screen because the home button is completely new to all iPhone users. I didn't even know it was customizable like that until I read this. Maybe once it's the norm in iPhones it will be redundant, but for now I think it's wise to include it during setup.
 
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The screen that asks me if i want zoomed or standard is more annoying. I say set to standard and let those with bad eyes go into options and adjust.
 
Thanks, but no issues this end. The issue is about maintaining design standards and what makes Apple great. Less unnecessary options the better.
To use your restaurant example, getting an opinion on the feel of the haptic feedback is like asking a restaurant customer their opinion on the feel of the ink on the menu. It's pointless.

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True, there is hyperbole there. My point is the device should take zero time to set up and be ready to go from powering on. That's the standard, and if that can not be met, then 3 screens to set up, no more.


Again, you are the one deciding what is or isn't necessary or which of Apple's design standards are the best for everybody. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, as am I. What I'm saying is that what is best for you clearly isn't best for everybody.

And, nice try, but you missed again on the analogy. Giving users the option to choose the feedback on the home button would be akin to a restaurant asking their customers what types of meals they would like to see on the menu, or how they want their meat cooked (both of which restaurants do on a regular basis)...not their opinion on how the ink feels.

As for your "standard" that all of your devices be perfectly set up from the instant they're turned on, or that you achieve nirvana in three screens or less, you must be disappointed a lot. Either that, or you never buy anything more complex than a paperback book.
 
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