Display mate would disagree with you, I highlighted where they said exactly that.
This is much more recent then the note 7 review.
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Display mate would disagree with you, I highlighted where they said exactly that.
This is much more recent then the note 7 review.
I'm coming from a 2 y.o. Note 4, and while I don't have my 7+ MB yet to compare the displays, this is the issue that concerns me the most. I've grown very fond of the AMOLED display on my Note, color (over) saturation and all, and with all the posts regarding the yellow-ish screens and lower brightness on some units, I am worried that I'll be disappointed with the 7+ when I get it next month. I certainly want to get back into iOS (my last iPhone was a 5) because, while I've enjoyed my Note 4, the Android OS is not nearly as smooth as iOS. Plus my wife and kids have iPhones and our home desktop is an iMac, so we're pretty deep into the ecosystem.
I guess I'll be in a better position to compare the displays next month.
I guess I'll be in a better position to compare the displays next month.
How can the haptics be improved, if it's still the same form factor and materials?
OR, drop it in the pool
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That's IOS 10, my 6S does the same thingYep, not much different. It's all the little things though.
Touch ID works much faster, and I like the new home button better.
I just noticed today that I can just lift my phone up off my desk and it turns on automatically. That's neat!
Hope you can see it with your display. It's called OLED burn in.
Are you serious? What actual percentage of users have a burn in problem?
Totally agree.
It's been an issue for a long time... and the new PWM management (geared and engineered to satisfy VR applications) is no better...
See this in XDA forum. Proof is in the pics that the members took of note4 screens using high shutter DSLR. Look at page 6,7 for the pics and info on the new PWM protocol.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/screen-flicker-pwm-t2905778/page1
And Samsung wants us to put this 2" away from my face for VR? No thanks.
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This
And for you guys who are interested, (posted previously) regarding Amoled and The SUBPIXEL arrangement...
I took the time to take some pics of a new s7 and note7 when I was at Costco and here they are, labeled.
I call the issue "pixel hang"... The printing industry will call it "miss-registration".
Pls look at them with an open mind. And let me know if you can see/understand what I'm referring to.
The Google search bar I always refer to:
Look at the pixel hang/miss-registration
Pictures taken with my iPhone with a macro lens...
Do you see the pixel hang/ miss-registration?
This pixel hang is apparent on ALL hard edges, on ALL displays using the "sub-pixel". Pentile or Diamond pattern amoleds BOTH have it because of the SUBPIXEL.
Below is an example of "colour registration" they in talking about.
Then, here's the iPhone's regular Rgb IPS lcd close-up... Notice NO pixel hang/miss-registration.
Because the ips lcd displays DONT use the SUBPIXEL arrangement, there's NO pixel hang... Here's the same pic zoomed in: absolutely sharp, great looking edges.
Next photo is of the LG G4's IPS display.
As you can see in the Amoled screen close ups, the pixel hang is very apparent.
Without the macro lens, you can still see it. I can see it, can you? You have an S6 - look at the hard edges, and you will see what Samsung has been feeding people.
Now pls keep in mind, I know that Amoled screens have advantages like HDR capability because of its high contrast/Colour gamut, infinite blacks, etc
But this is a disadvantage I cannot overlook. I've always noticed it since the Gs3 and Gs5,6,7 have gotten better because of the higher res... But still noticeable.
..
I hope that when the Amoled screen is implemented into the iPhone, they find a way to NOT use a SUBPIXEL design.
Anyways,
Displaymate does have good reviews, measurements, and factual figures- yes, BUT This is an important issue (plus screen flicker) that Displaymate has forgotten to note in their reviews, therefore, their conclusion may not be accurate.
Totally agree.
It's been an issue for a long time... and the new PWM management (geared and engineered to satisfy VR applications) is no better...
See this in XDA forum. Proof is in the pics that the members took of note4 screens using high shutter DSLR. Look at page 6,7 for the pics and info on the new PWM protocol.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/screen-flicker-pwm-t2905778/page1
And Samsung wants us to put this 2" away from my face for VR? No thanks.
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This
And for you guys who are interested, (posted previously) regarding Amoled and The SUBPIXEL arrangement...
I took the time to take some pics of a new s7 and note7 when I was at Costco and here they are, labeled.
I call the issue "pixel hang"... The printing industry will call it "miss-registration".
Pls look at them with an open mind. And let me know if you can see/understand what I'm referring to.
The Google search bar I always refer to:
Look at the pixel hang/miss-registration
Pictures taken with my iPhone with a macro lens...
Do you see the pixel hang/ miss-registration?
This pixel hang is apparent on ALL hard edges, on ALL displays using the "sub-pixel". Pentile or Diamond pattern amoleds BOTH have it because of the SUBPIXEL.
Below is an example of "colour registration" they in talking about.
Then, here's the iPhone's regular Rgb IPS lcd close-up... Notice NO pixel hang/miss-registration.
Because the ips lcd displays DONT use the SUBPIXEL arrangement, there's NO pixel hang... Here's the same pic zoomed in: absolutely sharp, great looking edges.
Next photo is of the LG G4's IPS display.
As you can see in the Amoled screen close ups, the pixel hang is very apparent.
Without the macro lens, you can still see it. I can see it, can you? You have an S6 - look at the hard edges, and you will see what Samsung has been feeding people.
Now pls keep in mind, I know that Amoled screens have advantages like HDR capability because of its high contrast/Colour gamut, infinite blacks, etc
But this is a disadvantage I cannot overlook. I've always noticed it since the Gs3 and Gs5,6,7 have gotten better because of the higher res... But still noticeable.
..
I hope that when the Amoled screen is implemented into the iPhone, they find a way to NOT use a SUBPIXEL design.
Anyways,
Displaymate does have good reviews, measurements, and factual figures- yes, BUT This is an important issue (plus screen flicker) that Displaymate has forgotten to note in their reviews, therefore, their conclusion may not be accurate.
You would get that on many screens if you zoom in. You shouldn't see this during normal usage. Remember, these smartphones screens are often of 24-7 and often on the same screen. I've seen burn in on some of these display Galaxy smartphones. I owned the Galaxy S6 and now using the Galaxy S7 since launch day and the screen is amazing. I once placed it beside my son's iPhone 6S Plus and he was shocked to see how bad the iPhone screen looked. Not sure how much of an improvement the iPhone 7 is compared to the 6S.
So you like the saturated color look. It's the only thing that makes you go wow this display is better when it really isn't.
Totally agree.
It's been an issue for a long time... and the new PWM management (geared and engineered to satisfy VR applications) is no better...
See this in XDA forum. Proof is in the pics that the members took of note4 screens using high shutter DSLR. Look at page 6,7 for the pics and info on the new PWM protocol.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/screen-flicker-pwm-t2905778/page1
And Samsung wants us to put this 2" away from my face for VR? No thanks.
[doublepost=1474355780][/doublepost]
This
And for you guys who are interested, (posted previously) regarding Amoled and The SUBPIXEL arrangement...
I took the time to take some pics of a new s7 and note7 when I was at Costco and here they are, labeled.
I call the issue "pixel hang"... The printing industry will call it "miss-registration".
Pls look at them with an open mind. And let me know if you can see/understand what I'm referring to.
The Google search bar I always refer to:
Look at the pixel hang/miss-registration
Pictures taken with my iPhone with a macro lens...
Do you see the pixel hang/ miss-registration?
This pixel hang is apparent on ALL hard edges, on ALL displays using the "sub-pixel". Pentile or Diamond pattern amoleds BOTH have it because of the SUBPIXEL.
Below is an example of "colour registration" they in talking about.
Then, here's the iPhone's regular Rgb IPS lcd close-up... Notice NO pixel hang/miss-registration.
Because the ips lcd displays DONT use the SUBPIXEL arrangement, there's NO pixel hang... Here's the same pic zoomed in: absolutely sharp, great looking edges.
Next photo is of the LG G4's IPS display.
As you can see in the Amoled screen close ups, the pixel hang is very apparent.
Without the macro lens, you can still see it. I can see it, can you? You have an S6 - look at the hard edges, and you will see what Samsung has been feeding people.
Now pls keep in mind, I know that Amoled screens have advantages like HDR capability because of its high contrast/Colour gamut, infinite blacks, etc
But this is a disadvantage I cannot overlook. I've always noticed it since the Gs3 and Gs5,6,7 have gotten better because of the higher res... But still noticeable.
..
I hope that when the Amoled screen is implemented into the iPhone, they find a way to NOT use a SUBPIXEL design.
Anyways,
Displaymate does have good reviews, measurements, and factual figures- yes, BUT This is an important issue (plus screen flicker) that Displaymate has forgotten to note in their reviews, therefore, their conclusion may not be accurate.
How did you make these pictures? If you used a magnifying glass or a macro lens their optic may introduce all sorts of aberrations and effects.
More importantly, at such high magnification, it does not matter what pixel arrangement is. If you have a "regular" (there is actually nothing special or regular about it) RGB pixel arrangement you also have edge sub pixels there (for simplicity - R on the left and B on the right). The only thing that mitigate this issue is the size of subpixels (pixel density) and Samsung displays have the same or better density than iPhone displays.
iPhones have more pixel density.
http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/13/1-way-the-apple-iphone-7-plus-beats-the-samsung-ga.aspx
This is true
Thanks to the OLED Subpixel shown in my pics...
Reply to the other guys to come.
Yup, it's super easy to trick the brain into seeing exaggerated saturation, contrast, and brightness as "better", even if it isn't actually accurate. The end result is TVs that are totally out of calibration (and give all the actors in your movie sunburn) in the store, phones that are super-saturated by default, and LCD displays that have a native white point well outside of anything used to generate the content. But I honestly don't know how you sell accurate reproduction to people outside of content creation.
The Note 7 has multiple color modes precisely because they know the super-saturated stuff sells, but that there is a subset of buyers who care more about getting the accurate reproduction. Or want their video to look like the theater.
Eh, except this is one of the problems with pentile displays. Since you get shared subpixels, you will get weird effects at hard edges because the red channel may be getting driven to max because it is shared with a white pixel, and a dark shadow pixel. So you get bleed of "red" into the shadow as a result. While they've no doubt gotten better, I have an older pentile display in my smartphone graveyard that displays this without needing to zoom in. The worst cases are in text where the edges are anything but black and white. The higher density helps hide the effect in certain use cases, but it is still there no matter what the density.
A pentile display also lowers the effective resolution of the display, because these color channels are being shared between multiple pixels. So if you want to meet the resolution and sharpness of a given display using 3 sub-pixels, you do need to up the pixel density a fair bit. This is the same effect that you get with color cameras (but is moot at this point since buying a monochrome sensor is very niche). The color filters reduce the raw resolution of the camera, so tricks are used to share color data between pixels to fix it. But a monochrome sensor of the same resolution will always capture finer details than a color sensor. Much like a display with 3 sub-pixels per pixel will always get better fine detail than it's pentile counterpart at the same pixel count.
And this isn't a knock against OLED in general, just Samsung's implementation of it. LG in particular uses white OLEDs in their TVs, and color filters on the front. It avoids having each subpixel needing to be different sizes to address brightness and lifespan differences between red, green, and blue OLEDs. Not quite as power efficient though, but still beats LCD in the TV arena. Samsung may not have the option to use white OLEDs on a smartphone, and is stuck designing around one particular drawback OLEDs currently have.
There is more to it than this simple math. The light behavior and eye sensitivity depend on the color (wave length). The blue color is the least critical: "PenTile relies on the human eye design - if you reduce the number of blue subpixels, you barely reduce the image quality." (Link). So Samsung displays have higher pixel density where it matters most.
I'm not sure what you mean saturated color look. That may be so in your case due to the phone you were viewing. My Galaxy S7 screen surely doesn't look saturated and looks much better than an iPhone 6S plus and an iPhone 6S .
Everytime display technologies get discussed I see this picture, and half the time it's just you.
Hope you can see it with your display. It's called OLED burn in.
stop spreading FUD. you've been reminded, and told over and over again this is NOT typical behaviour and 99% of the the worlds users will never ever experience burn in on a modern AMOLED display.
The fact you keep digging up the identicla picture, and cannot find dozens of examples online, further indicates that you haven't a ****ing clue what you're on about and are spouting meaningless bias FUD.
1. Samsung demos a lot of their devices in stores at 100% brightness on static images. This is a prime example of what not to do with ANY DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY. such behaviour WILL burn in LCD as well (and I have seen display model burn in on iPhones too).
2. Users do not run at 100% display on static images.
3. The current life of AMOLED can be measured in 5-10 years before they will start to POTENTIALLY lose image quality. This is years past most ownership. While it's not as long as LCD, (which can go for decades), it far exceeds the life of most phones, and far exceeds the life of the batteries in use in devices (which will generally stop holding most of it's charge after about 2-4 years of cycling power.
But of course. you don't care. you keep spewing your mindless FUD and ignore reality, goes well with your post history
How can the haptics be improved, if it's still the same form factor and materials?
The Haptic engine in the iphone 7 is apparently bigger and has had a few redesigns done (but that could also just be marketting mumbo jumbo).
It's not fud, search on good images for "OLED burn in Phone" and you'll see lots of examples.
Every device will burn in 6-8 months, specifically the keyboard, Nav bar and status bar