iPhone 7s Said to Keep Aluminum Design as iPhone 8 Gets Glass With Stainless Steel Frame

[ValO]

It's not hard to be simple compared to the android lineup. All I'm asking is that all features are included in each size device. Why can't we just pick our preferred screen size and be able to enjoy the features enjoyed by those who prefer a larger screen? Seems like common sense to me.

Yes, but it isn' t technical/physical possible.
A double camera in a 4 inch iphone? The same dpi in a 4 inch iphone? It would have about 3 hours of battery life. Perhaps with oled on all models next year, it wil be possible that the 4.7 inch will have all the features of the 5.5/5.8 inch. For now, you are actually saying apple should cripple their bigger iphones because you want the same features in a 4 inch.
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Best iPhone design - 4S - Period

Yeah, big chins and bezels, lovely....
At the time it was a very nice design, but it looks really dated now.
I liked the materials and feel of the iphone 4/s , though...

 

[Thunderhawks]

I would argue that each previous version of the iPhone or any Apple product has improved with every update. By your logic, Apple should increase the price of the iPhone every year just because they improve it and add new technology. Um...no. It doesn't work that way. If Apple did that, eventually they'd price themselves out of reach for most consumers. It's not a question of continually charging more for each update. It's a question of Apple keeping up with current technology & competition. Consumers are used to paying relatively the same price for each update.

It's not THAT easy.

The every year improvements were most likely for the most part covered in whatever Apple calculates within a certain range.

Say memory of 16GB and flash memory for 32 GB costs X $$$.

That configuration can be bought in volume, because that technology is matured.

Now, if one wants to go to 64 GB memory and 64 GB flash, it probably cannot be bought for the same price UNTIL production is at a point were yields and costs are almost the same for 32GB vs. 64GB. Hence, Apple always seem stingy with memory configurations.

As one goes higher the customer pays the difference for whatever Apple doesn't consider "BASIC" in their calculation.

For every new item they put in of course an older item is removed, so the difference is only the price between A vs. B component.

While making the phones there is also a constant review which technical changes and production shortcuts will yield more saving. That probably doesn't happen with the first few millions, but by 50 million they have it figured out.

Thinner shields or no shield, cheaper plastic formulations, new suppliers, positioning parts , so less connectors are needed or removing connector by soldering. The list of where to look for savings is quite long.

The reverse is also possible . A part calculated as X may cost more because of bad yields or miscalculations.

My guess is Apple has a cost/margin/budget range they operate in.

Once that range is no longer attainable, they will charge more.

For now, if OLED technology costs more , new camera lenses, additional battery part , new processor with less yields
etc. are involved it may fall outside their budgeted range.

In that case we will see higher prices for an iPhone.

Anybody who buys one for $ 969 plus tax is already over $ 1,000, so another $ 100 or $ 150 doesn't matter at that point. Probably a business or wealthy person anyway.

I don't see Joe Blow needing a $ 1,000 phone, so the outrage is kind of manufactured.

They'll all buy whatever Apple comes out with.

 

[admob71]

They'll all buy whatever Apple comes out with.

....and wonder why folk call.it a cult!!

 

[CrownVic]

This is why there needs to be a sarcasm emoji.
Most of the time my posts make me look like an ass when really, only 83% should be taken as literal.

As for the original topic, I really didn't even need to get the 7+. I had a 6+ that was perfectly fine and only got the 7+ because for some reason, I felt I "needed" the latest and greatest. Something about Apple lately has seemingly cured me of this need. My 7+ will do me fine until it dies, just like my 4S did.

I completely agree!! People do the same to me when I write on Facebook. I either write sarcastically, or in satire

 

[alexgowers]

My guess is this will be apples final mistake. We are going to see 7s with no design overhaul.

iPhone 8 is not ready for this year but Apple has to pull the date foward due to abysmal sales of 7s.

With the competition literally at the bezeless stage apple is going to get fcuked this year. I don't want it to be so because the richest company in the world with some of the best design should not be being beat out by the Chinese and Koreans.

 

[DhobiWanKenobi]

Yes, but it isn' t technical/physical possible.
A double camera in a 4 inch iphone? The same dpi in a 4 inch iphone? It would have about 3 hours of battery life. Perhaps with oled on all models next year, it wil be possible that the 4.7 inch will have all the features of the 5.5/5.8 inch. For now, you are actually saying apple should cripple their bigger iphones because you want the same features in a 4 inch.
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Yeah, big chins and bezels, lovely....
At the time it was a very nice design, but it looks really dated now.
I liked the materials and feel of the iphone 4/s , though...

Are you seriously telling me that Apple didn't put a double lens in the smaller model because of design constraints? Think it's more of an incentive to upgrade.

 

[ValO]

Are you seriously telling me that Apple didn't put a double lens in the smaller model because of design constraints? Think it's more of an incentive to upgrade.

Yes, you think that...
But are you familiar with the difference in size of the 2 different camera modules?
Did you ever investigate that? I didn' t.
But i could imagine it would take more internal space.
That, together with the 7plus 400+ dpi screen in a 4 to 4.7 inch iphone and the 3gb of the 7+ will limit battery space/size and battery life.

 

[I7guy]

My guess is this will be apples final mistake. We are going to see 7s with no design overhaul.

iPhone 8 is not ready for this year but Apple has to pull the date foward due to abysmal sales of 7s.

With the competition literally at the bezeless stage apple is going to get fcuked this year. I don't want it to be so because the richest company in the world with some of the best design should not be being beat out by the Chinese and Koreans.

The 7s is being sold?

 

[Radon87000]

My guess is this will be apples final mistake. We are going to see 7s with no design overhaul.

iPhone 8 is not ready for this year but Apple has to pull the date foward due to abysmal sales of 7s.

With the competition literally at the bezeless stage apple is going to get fcuked this year. I don't want it to be so because the richest company in the world with some of the best design should not be being beat out by the Chinese and Koreans.

The 7S is just so that the remaining LCD panels at Foxconn get utilised before OLED supply stabilises and Apple goes all in on OLED next year . As a bonus they get to charge astronomical prices and raise the ASP as it's getting harder and harder to maintain record profits every quarter

But yeah this is Apple just catching up with Android. Samsung has already switched all 3 of their flagships to curved edge OLED

 

[ChrisChaval]

I would love to see an updated iPhone SE that takes the design from the iPhone6 line

I own one , it's called iPod touch

It is stylish but it has a really limited battery capacity due to its small form factor coupled with a slim design. The battery drains quickly on wifi without even wasting energy on a cellular connection ...

 

[I7guy]

The 7S is just so that the remaining LCD panels at Foxconn get utilised before OLED supply stabilises and Apple goes all in on OLED next year . As a bonus they get to charge astronomical prices and raise the ASP as it's getting harder and harder to maintain record profits every quarter

But yeah this is Apple just catching up with Android. Samsung has already switched all 3 of their flagships to curved edge OLED

Apple won't go all oled next year, guaranteed. And you can have a curved screen, don't want it. As far as record profits, you gotta admit they do it.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple won't go all oled next year, guaranteed. And you can have a curved screen, don't want it. As far as record profits, you gotta admit they do it.

Its almost a certainty. The reason LCD is even sticking around is that the OLED is in short supply considering iPhone demand. If Apple used OLED on the 7S and 7S Plus, hardly anyone would be able to buy it because there would be very less supply. Hence they charged an astronomical price to limit demand and developed the non premium iPhone as a budget model. Meanwhile, Samsung and the others should be able to nail down the supply chain for Apple in the current and next year , just in time for the iPhone 9 to be all OLED.

Apple doesnt care what you want. A curved OLED iPhone with inductive wireless charging and a glass back and no bezels (basically everything you dislike and everything I like) is releasing this year like it nor not.And LCD is as good as phased out next year. The only flagship Apple product using LCD in the current year is the iPad and even that is going to be phased out by 2019 as supply for large OLED screens goes mainstream.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/15/kuo-10-5-ipad-pro-2017/

I suggest you better get used to HTC and Sony if you want LCD to stick around as they are your last hope

And I said its difficult to maintain record profits. Who knows if Q1 2017 may just as well be a repeat of Q2 2016? Dont forget the 2 disastrous quarters Apple faced. They have lost their 10 year momentum. Have they regained it? We will need another 4 quarters of record profits to confirm it.

Meanwhile I hope Samsung comes out with their foldable displays and bezeless Note 8 having an optical fingerprint sensor.Someone's gotta lead the charge

 

[I7guy]

Its almost a certainty. The reason LCD is even sticking around is that the OLED is in short supply considering iPhone demand. If Apple used OLED on the 7S and 7S Plus, hardly anyone would be able to buy it because there would be very less supply. Hence they charged an astronomical price to limit demand and developed the non premium iPhone as a budget model. Meanwhile, Samsung and the others should be able to nail down the supply chain for Apple in the current and next year , just in time for the iPhone 9 to be all OLED.

I don't think so. Apple will hedge it's bets to ensure their customers don't return their phones en-masse due to the inherent issues with oled, such as burn-in. While you're (incorrect) postulation is profits first, customers second. It makes good rhetoric, but that's not how it all works in reality.

Apple doesnt care what you want. A curved OLED iPhone with inductive wireless charging and a glass back and no bezels (basically everything you dislike and everything I like) is releasing this year like it nor not.And LCD is as good as phased out next year. The only flagship Apple product using LCD in the current year is the iPad and even that is going to be phased out by 2019 as supply for large OLED screens goes mainstream.

Apple doesn't care what you want either(which is why you are threatening to leave them). They will not be making a generic looking phone as a Galaxy( or other android). It will be a uniquely identifiable phone.

I suggest you better get used to HTC and Sony if you want LCD to stick around as they are your last hope

It's sticking around because:

1. they will hedge their bets due to burn-in
2. there will be two tiers

And I said its difficult to maintain record profits. Who knows if Q1 2017 may just as well be a repeat of Q2 2016? Dont forget the 2 disastrous quarters Apple faced. They have lost their 10 year momentum. Have they regained it? We will need another 4 quarters of record profits to confirm it.

You're right, how high do the profits have to do before the exceed the gdp of the united states. Most companies would give anything to get apples revenue on a bad quarter. Nobody really cares about 1 quarter, it's about the fiscal year. Notice the trend.

Meanwhile I hope Samsung comes out with their foldable displays and bezeless Note 8 having an optical fingerprint sensor.Someone's gotta lead the charge

To bad it's never Samsung. Apple is the master of soc design, integration and innovation. Maybe that is why their revenue looks like the above. But whatever Samsung does, it hope if fares better than the Note 7.

 

[Radon87000]

I don't think so. Apple will hedge it's bets to ensure their customers don't return their phones en-masse due to the inherent issues with oled, such as burn-in. While you're (incorrect) postulation is profits first, customers second. It makes good rhetoric, but that's not how it all works in reality.

Their position and mind marketing is such that they can force any sort of change in the industry. No one returned the iPhone 7 due to hiss gate or yellow tint or the most controversial omission of the headphone jack and no one will return the phone due to burn in. You dont want to anger the customers who are contributing to the absurd price increase by buying that overpriced phone or they will be a laughing stock for those who bought the $650 iPhone for half the price with no issues. Looking at the S7 and the reports of yellow tint its fair to say Apple is going to have one of the most reliable flawless displays on the market. I can already hear Timmy and Schiller raving on about how they have invented wireless charging and the best display EVAR in an iPhone while the iPhone 7S LCD model gets an iPad Mini 4esque single slide in the keynote

16GB when almost all the competition was on 32 and no SD card

Taking an eternity before offering the same wireless charging and curved edge OLED and charging ATROCIOUS prices for old tech.They even copied LG's second screen concept

Using the same rehashed design for 4 years and when they finally make a new design which looks like a beauty they charge 1.3k and give the non premium iPhone throwaway components.

No way do they care about customers more than profits

Apple doesn't care what you want either(which is why you are threatening to leave them). They will not be making a generic looking phone as a Galaxy( or other android). It will be a uniquely identifiable phone.

Actually they did care about what I wanted . Many of my pain points have been addressed in the iPhone 8. My only issue is that they grossly overpriced the phone. If it was 1K and at least 128 gigs I would have bought it in a heartbeat. The fact that they expect me to pay double for essentially a Samsung OLED they are grossly mistaken. I would rather get it directly from the maker at almost half price

Generic? The S7 Edge is THE most beautiful phone on the market and is distinctively Samsung. You definitely wont confuse a Samsung for an Iphone even upclose. OTOH we have Apple with bezels from 2011 and the same now stale design for 4 years in a row.

And the moment they used a curved edge display they copied Samsung. Samsung is in fact a step ahead. They have altogether dumped the flat screen version in the S8. All 3 flagships will be curved OLED so thats one less fragmentation amongst their lineup.The only difference between the S8 Edge the S8 and the Note 8 is the screen size and S Pen. Now THATS respecting customer price points and offering almost the same experience across the board.The $969 Note 8 will offer almost the same experience as the $700 S8.

It's sticking around because:

1. they will hedge their bets due to burn-in
2. there will be two tiers

1. They didnt give a hoot about the amount of Touch Disease phones which far surpass any number of potential burn in units in the wild. They also dont care about the yellow tint on their LCD displays. Its gotten to the point I thank my stars when I power on a new iPhone and it doesnt have tint

2. What do you mean 2 tiers? The LCD model is only sticking around because of supply issues. It takes a lot of time and much more cost to manufacture an OLED and for Apple's requirments it would need Samsung at least 2 years to get their supply straightened up. Heck Apple was having the 7 Plus with an LCD in short supply for months let alone the OLED iPhone.

ou're right, how high do the profits have to do before the exceed the gdp of the united states. Most companies would give anything to get apples revenue on a bad quarter. Nobody really cares about 1 quarter, it's about the fiscal year. Notice the trend.

If there were 2 black sheep in a field its still concerning as it points out that there are chinks in the iPhone armor. The momentum of a decade has been broke.We need more time to assess if its resumed

To bad it's never Samsung. Apple is the master of soc design, integration and innovation. Maybe that is why their revenue looks like the above. But whatever Samsung does, it hope if fares better than the Note 7.

The MacBook is better than 90% of Windows laptops yet its still outsold.I wonder why?

Curved edge OLED,Wireless charging,S pen Iris scanner. Who took these mainstream?

As I said I dont look at balance sheets as I buy from companies which respect the customer more than they respect profits as the 2 are mutually exclusive

 

[I7guy]

Their position and mind marketing is such that they can force any sort of change in the industry. No one returned the iPhone 7 due to hiss gate or yellow tint or the most controversial omission of the headphone jack and no one will return the phone due to burn in.

Not really, I've already proved people return tvs due to burn in and Apple doesn't want a black eye in a fairly flawless 10 year iPhone run.

You dont want to anger the customers who are contributing to the absurd price increase by buying that overpriced phone

Those customer contributed to record profits.

or they will be a laughing stock for those who bought the $650 iPhone for half the price with no issues. Looking at the S7 and the reports of yellow tint its fair to say Apple is going to have one of the most reliable flawless displays on the market. I can already hear Timmy and Schiller raving on about how they have invented wireless charging and the best display EVAR in an iPhone while the iPhone 7S LCD model gets an iPad Mini 4esque single slide in the keynote

Great hyperbole I got a kick out of it.

16GB when almost all the competition was on 32 and no SD card

Really didn't matter.

Taking an eternity before offering the same wireless charging and curved edge OLED and charging ATROCIOUS prices for old tech.They even copied LG's second screen concept

Nope no curved screen, there will be bezels in the iPhone. It will not be a generic looking phone like the galaxy.

Using the same rehashed design for 4 years and when they finally make a new design which looks like a beauty they charge 1.3k and give the non premium iPhone throwaway components.

They know what their customers want, which is why they have had record breaking quarters.

No way do they care about customers more than profits

Nice hyperbole, but it's not like that in real life.

Actually they did care about what I wanted . Many of my pain points have been addressed in the iPhone 8. My only issue is that they grossly overpriced the phone. If it was 1K and at least 128 gigs I would have bought it in a heartbeat. The fact that they expect me to pay double for essentially a Samsung OLED they are grossly mistaken. I would rather get it directly from the maker at almost half price

How's your iPhone 8 on iOS 11?

Generic? The S7 Edge is THE most beautiful phone on the market and is distinctively Samsung. You definitely wont confuse a Samsung for an Iphone even upclose. OTOH we have Apple with bezels from 2011 and the same now stale design for 4 years in a row.

Yes generic. The iPhone is an iconic design, while the galaxy looks like all other androids. Looks are subjective of corse.

And the moment they used a curved edge display they copied Samsung. Samsung is in fact a step ahead. They have altogether dumped the flat screen version in the S8. All 3 flagships will be curved OLED so thats one less fragmentation amongst their lineup.The only difference between the S8 Edge the S8 and the Note 8 is the screen size and S Pen. Now THATS respecting customer price points and offering almost the same experience across the board.The $969 Note 8 will offer almost the same experience as the $700 S8.

Can you prove any of this? Take a picture of your iPhone 8?

1. They didnt give a hoot about the amount of Touch Disease phones which far surpass any number of potential burn in units in the wild. They also dont care about the yellow tint on their LCD displays. Its gotten to the point I thank my stars when I power on a new iPhone and it doesnt have tint

Don't know what Touch disease is. If you're referring to issues iPhones have all phones (all products)have issues, other manufacturers have worse issues.

2. What do you mean 2 tiers? The LCD model is only sticking around because of supply issues. It takes a lot of time and much more cost to manufacture an OLED and for Apple's requirments it would need Samsung at least 2 years to get their supply straightened up. Heck Apple was having the 7 Plus with an LCD in short supply for months let alone the OLED iPhone.

2 tiers just what I said. They will hedge their bets due to oled issues and provide another tier of phone.

If there were 2 black sheep in a field its still concerning as it points out that there are chinks in the iPhone armor. The momentum of a decade has been broke.We need more time to assess if its resumed

Their revenue can only go so high, nownits time for the stock to go up.

The MacBook is better than 90% of Windows laptops yet its still outsold.I wonder why?

Better is subjective.

Curved edge OLED,Wireless charging,S pen Iris scanner. Who took these mainstream?

Not sure but it wasn't Samsung. All of these existed in some form for 20 years

As I said I dont look at balance sheets as I buy from companies which respect the customer more than they respect profits as the 2 are mutually exclusive

But you spend a lot of time commenting on timmys Pay and declining quarters. So do you or don't? Do you buy from Apple or not? I buy what's fits me and look at the price value equation. I could care less what the company makes off me as long as I'm getting benefit to the product. It seems you are concerned with the former, to each their own.

 

[jezbd1997]

You mean worse battery then then SE?

No, heaps better. Couple of hours longer

 

[Radon87000]

Not really, I've already proved people return tvs due to burn in and Apple doesn't want a black eye in a fairly flawless 10 year iPhone run.

The very same article confirms that smartphones and tablets don't suffer from burn in

Those customer contributed to record profits.

Exactly and now imagine if burn in develops on the phones. Apple laughed their way to the bank. The budget users are laughing because they got a perfect (albeit some yellow tint) phone for half price while the OLED users are left with a brick in their hands for 1.3k . Doesn't sound good for the iPhone 9. Hence Apple will have taken care of that problem and looking at the S7 reports there may not be any problem to begin with

Great hyperbole I got a kick out of it.

That is the harsh reality. Expect to see a single slide in Apple's 2 hour keynote dedicated to the iPhone 7s. Most of the focus will be the OLED iPhone

Really didn't matter.

Ah but it does. Have you used a 10 gig phone?I have. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 10 minutes of 4K video , 2 games 8 apps and your phone is finishes. And this is when 32GB NAND costs a mere 2 dollar more. Milking the customers dry and a textbook example of putting profits over customers. I don't even wanna know how those poor 8GB iPhone 5c owners managed things

Nope no curved screen, there will be bezels in the iPhone. It will not be a generic looking phone like the galaxy.

Kuo and many other Analysts disagree and considering between your claims and his track record I will take Kuo's claims over yours . No bezels as he home button (iconic look gone) is now eliminated just like on the Galaxy

They know what their customers want, which is why they have had record breaking quarters.

So did Samsung. Samsung (inspire of the Note fiasco) posted a record quarter and forecasting yet another record quarter in this year. And this is despite the customer outrage against the Note 7. Seems record quarters and customer requirements don't seem to be linked .In other words companies like Samsung and Apple are just so big that anything they do will get a pass

Nice hyperbole, but it's not like that in real life.

That is the fundamental principle on which a business works and Apple is e textbook example.

http://www.publishyourarticles.net/...ective-of-the-business-is-to-earn-profit/561/

How's your iPhone 8 on iOS 11?

Ask Kuo. He told me what I know. Seems he already has inside information on the iPhone 8

Yes generic. The iPhone is an iconic design, while the galaxy looks like all other androids. Looks are subjective of corse.

By your logic then this is even better looking than the iPhone as its even more iconic

Show me 1 single Android Phone which even remotely looks like a Galaxy S7 Edge

Don't know what Touch disease is.

It's something which happened because Apple tried to save costs on manufacturing as a result of which millions of iPhone 6 have shut down or will shut down at some point in the future. And being the epitome of customer satisfaction as you claim Apple is charging customers to get it fixed

If you're referring to issues iPhones have all phones (all products)have issues, other manufacturers have worse issues.

When they have issues on a mass scale like Touch Disease, usually the customer isn't charged for getting it fixed

2 tiers just what I said. They will hedge their bets due to oled issues and provide another tier of phone.

2 tiers like I said because OLED supply hasnt stabilised and they have hedged the supply constraints against the LCD iPhone because there's tons of leftover iPhone 7 panels at Foxconn which they can use like they did for the SE. They can earn super profits of the OLED in the meantime which is their main goal

Their revenue can only go so high, nownits time for the stock to go up.

The stock is going up because of the OLED iPhone

Better is subjective

But it's a fact. Most of the Windows laptops are in the below $1k range and some of them are really crappy yet have higher revenues than the Mac

Not sure but it wasn't Samsung. All of these existed in some form for 20 years

I asked who took them mainstream. Tell me a phone which has all of these features in a usable format

But you spend a lot of time commenting on timmys Pay and declining quarters

What does that have to with me buying their products? I didn't look at that travesty of a quarter while buying my iPhone 7 Plus.

So do you or don't? Do you buy from Apple or not? I buy what's fits me and look at the price value equation. I could care less what the company makes off me as long as I'm getting benefit to the product. It seems you are concerned with the former, to each their own.

I buy after looking at the competition and seeing how the companies treat their customers. I don't buy Moto because they threw their customers away by not upgrading the Moto X to Nougat. I don't buy LG as they refused to the take responsibility for their boot loop issues. I don't buy Sony as they like Apple tried to insult the customers by offering a $700 phone with the fingerprint sensor disabled and Crap battery life. Now Apple is doing the same thing by giving us 32GB for 1K. Time to go for Samsung. If that doesn't work out than the Pixel

 

[I7guy]

The very same article confirms that smartphones and tablets don't suffer from burn in

Exactly and now imagine if burn in develops on the phones. Apple laughed their way to the bank. The budget users are laughing because they got a perfect (albeit some yellow tint) phone for half price while the OLED users are left with a brick in their hands for 1.3k . Doesn't sound good for the iPhone 9. Hence Apple will have taken care of that problem and looking at the S7 reports there may not be any problem to begin with

SEE above for burn-in issue. I hope apple, if it releases any oled solves the inherent issues. Yellow tint is a manufacturing issue, unlike burn-in which is a certainty.

That is the harsh reality. Expect to see a single slide in Apple's 2 hour keynote dedicated to the iPhone 7s. Most of the focus will be the OLED iPhone

Hyperbole <> harsh reality. Sorry.

=Ah but it does. Have you used a 10 gig phone?I have. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 10 minutes of 4K video , 2 games 8 apps and your phone is finishes. And this is when 32GB NAND costs a mere 2 dollar more. Milking the customers dry and a textbook example of putting profits over customers. I don't even wanna know how those poor 8GB iPhone 5c owners managed things

I've used an phone with low storage and driven low h.p. cars. One manages.

Kuo and many other Analysts disagree and considering between your claims and his track record I will take Kuo's claims over yours . No bezels as he home button (iconic look gone) is now eliminated just like on the Galaxy

Iconic look will remain. It's not a fact until apple announces it. And the Galaxy was a direct copy of the Sharp phone.

So did Samsung. Samsung (inspire of the Note fiasco) posted a record quarter and forecasting yet another record quarter in this year. And this is despite the customer outrage against the Note 7. Seems record quarters and customer requirements don't seem to be linked .In other words companies like Samsung and Apple are just so big that anything they do will get a pass

Ah, another comparing the entirety of Samsungs business, to the entirety of apple. Let's focus on the negative profits of the Samsung mobile division compared to the profits of the iphone 7.

That is the fundamental principle on which a business works and Apple is e textbook example.

Of course the internet is full of anything. But I have no issue in apple (or any other company) making a dime off my purchase. Companies that focus on $$$ first tend not to be around for the long haul. Not earn record profits and have copious amounts of cash in the bank. A company provides a service, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker Peter Drucker 101.

Ask Kuo. He told me what I know. Seems he already has inside information on the iPhone 8

Still all rumors, unless you decide to treat the rumors you personally like as fact.

By your logic then this is even better looking than the iPhone as its even more iconic

The look last 2 seconds, doesn't quite fit the definition of iconic, but heck, if you like that look...go for it.

Show me 1 single Android Phone which even remotely looks like a Galaxy S7 Edge

Samsung directly copied the Sharp phone. If you put all of the android phones in a line-up they all look the same.

It's something which happened because Apple tried to save costs on manufacturing as a result of which millions of iPhone 6 have shut down or will shut down at some point in the future. And being the epitome of customer satisfaction as you claim Apple is charging customers to get it fixed

Nothing that can be proven.

When they have issues on a mass scale like Touch Disease, usually the customer isn't charged for getting it fixed

Mass is 100%, you can't prove any scale at all. Or even prove what you claim.

2 tiers like I said because OLED supply hasnt stabilised and they have hedged the supply constraints against the LCD iPhone because there's tons of leftover iPhone 7 panels at Foxconn which they can use like they did for the SE. They can earn super profits of the OLED in the meantime which is their main goal

Let them earn record profits, nothing wrong with that. People like what they buy. Apple is providing a service and people are paying for it. Nothing wrong with that. But there will be 2 tiers for people who want existing technology, such as myself.

The stock is going up because of the OLED iPhone

Can you prove why stock goes up and stock goes down in any sense for any company?

But it's a fact. Most of the Windows laptops are in the below $1k range and some of them are really crappy yet have higher revenues than the Mac

Price has nothing to do with what is considered better.

I asked who took them mainstream. Tell me a phone which has all of these features in a usable format

Oled was invented by Kodak, pencils were around on windows tablets for 20 years, fp readers and iris scanners have been around for years. The same argument that has been made about the iphone.

What does that have to with me buying their products? I didn't look at that travesty of a quarter while buying my iPhone 7 Plus.

If you don't look at balance sheets, why do you comment on Timmy's pay, as if it's a forebearer of the health of apple?

I buy after looking at the competition and seeing how the companies treat their customers. I don't buy Moto because they threw their customers away by not upgrading the Moto X to Nougat. I don't buy LG as they refused to the take responsibility for their boot loop issues. I don't buy Sony as they like Apple tried to insult the customers by offering a $700 phone with the fingerprint sensor disabled and Crap battery life. Now Apple is doing the same thing by giving us 32GB for 1K. Time to go for Samsung. If that doesn't work out than the Pixel

You should examine your values, needs, wants and spend your money appropriately. I could care less personally whether you buy another Apple product or not. Apples next phone will probably sell like hot cakes even as posters are spouting the "Apple is doomed " hyperbole.

 

[Martyimac]

With all the rumors and "guesses" on this forum, I'm sure glad I mostly only read it for the entertainment value.

 

[Raist3001]

Samsung directly copied the Sharp phone. If you put all of the android phones in a line-up they all look the same.

That was not his point. You cherry picked. Put those phones in a line up and you will understand that none of them look like the S7 edge.

Nothing that can be proven.

Nothing can be proven in regards to touch disease? How can you possibly be serious? Apple has already acknowledged the flaw and launched a multi-touch repair program. Through the program, a customer will only pay $149 to repair the malfunctioning device that shows the touch disease symptom issue as opposed to the $329 it would cost outside of warranty. The multi-touch repair program will run for five years.

 

[I7guy]

That was not his point. You cherry picked. Put those phones in a line up and you will understand that none of them look like the S7 edge.

that's not the point, they all look like generic designs, imo. And let's not be pedantic by saying there is cherry picking...there is a lot of that.

Nothing can be proven in regards to touch disease? How can you possibly be serious? Apple has already acknowledged the flaw and launched a multi-touch repair program. Through the program, a customer will only pay $149 to repair the malfunctioning device that shows the touch disease symptom issue as opposed to the $329 it would cost outside of warranty. The multi-touch repair program will run for five years.

Can you prove whatever this is called is because of a cost cutting measure by Apple as opposed to a design flaw or oversight? You missed the entire point if your going to ask me if "I'm serious".

 

[Radon87000]

Do you want me to post pics of LCD burn in?Isolated rare issues will always exist

And considering you used that article to prove that TVs have been returned that same article states smartphones are unaffected

SEE above for burn-in issue. I hope apple, if it releases any oled solves the inherent issues. Yellow tint is a manufacturing issue, unlike burn-in which is a certainty.

Doesnt happen under normal usage which is why Apple is using it. Gets rid of yellow tint with a low probability of burn in vs an LCD where a yellow tint is a certainty.

As a bonus the best display on the planet

I've used an phone with low storage and driven low h.p. cars. One manages.

And that doesnt make it any less of an awful experience. Now supposing I told you you get a high HP car with turbo at the same price as that of the low HP one?

Iconic look will remain. It's not a fact until apple announces it. And the Galaxy was a direct copy of the Sharp phone.

Once the home button is removed you have a Google Pixel which is the iPhone minus the home button and it looks bland

And how on earth is this

Similar to this

Ah, another comparing the entirety of Samsungs business, to the entirety of apple. Let's focus on the negative profits of the Samsung mobile division compared to the profits of the iphone 7.

And yet record breaking quarters to continue next season despite a complete disaster of a flagship launch.It barely scratched them

Of course the internet is full of anything. But I have no issue in apple (or any other company) making a dime off my purchase. Companies that focus on $$$ first tend not to be around for the long haul. Not earn record profits and have copious amounts of cash in the bank. A company provides a service, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker Peter Drucker 101.

You really dont understand how finances work.Its all about finance and making shareholders happy.A company exists to give high ROI to investors.

https://efinancemanagement.com/financial-management/profit-maximization

"Profit maximization is the main aim of any business and therefore it is also an objective of financial management. "

http://www.studylecturenotes.com/ma...ness-is-profit-the-sole-objective-of-business

http://www.publishyourarticles.net/...ective-of-the-business-is-to-earn-profit/561/

Every business is started to earn profits as it is essential for the survival and growth of business enterprises. Profit earning should be regarded as the main objective of business unit.

Still all rumors, unless you decide to treat the rumors you personally like as fact.

So far anything Kuo says has always turned into facts

The look last 2 seconds, doesn't quite fit the definition of iconic, but heck, if you like that look...go for it.

Its the definition of iconic.Its the only phone which can stop a bullet and still live.Nothing can destroy it.Even if you try it will still live

This is straight from Wiki

"The Nokia 3310 is a GSM mobile phone announced on September 1, 2000,[2] and released in the fourth quarter of the year, replacing the popular Nokia 3210. The phone sold extremely well, being one of the most successful phones with 126 million units sold worldwide.[3] The phone is still widely acclaimed today,[1] and has gained a cult status due to its durability."

If you put all of the android phones in a line-up they all look the same.

There isnt a single phone in the Android market with a Edge display.How can any phone even look remotely similar. And instead of just bluffing how about you show ME ONE ANDROID PHONE which looks even remotely similar to the S7 Edge.

Nothing that can be proven.

Phone turned off by itself for millions of users.Is this black magic?

Mass is 100%, you can't prove any scale at all. Or even prove what you claim.

iFixit earned a lot outta it and even Apple was forced to acknowledge it although they greedily told customers to pay ofr it. But the fact that they even put out the notice sill means they acknowledged the issue and when Apple acknowledges a issue its obviously widespread

Let them earn record profits, nothing wrong with that. People like what they buy. Apple is providing a service and people are paying for it. Nothing wrong with that. But there will be 2 tiers for people who want existing technology, such as myself.

Apple doesnt care about old timers. Apple kickstarted the no headphone jack revolution. They were the first to remove DVD drives and floppies. LCD is next. Just like how wide color displays gradually made their way to the iPhone after the iPad, the change to OLED will be gradual before eliminating LCDs altogether

Can you prove why stock goes up and stock goes down in any sense for any company?

The stock spiralled up the moment analysts put out their expectations of the OLED iPhone. The hype is real for 2017. The way things seem this release is probably the only release which will manage to top the HUGE Iphone 6 and the original iPhone release

Price has nothing to do with what is considered better.

So how is revenue?Revenue is a function of price.Apple charges the highest prices and gets high revenue.The Windows manufacturers charge low prices and generate high revenue. Since high revenue=Better product, $300 Dell Inspiron 15> Macbook Pro Retina

Oled was invented by Kodak, pencils were around on windows tablets for 20 years, fp readers and iris scanners have been around for years. The same argument that has been made about the iphone.

I said they took them mainstream not that they invented it. They combined all that into a cohesive package which is functional

If you don't look at balance sheets, why do you comment on Timmy's pay, as if it's a forebearer of the health of apple?

Because it indicates internal performance targets were missed which further implies all is not as well as it seems

You should examine your values, needs, wants and spend your money appropriately. I could care less personally whether you buy another Apple product or not. Apples next phone will probably sell like hot cakes even as posters are spouting the "Apple is doomed " hyperbole.

They can probably generate more revenue than Windows Phone and Android manufacturers by selling the iPhone 4 boxes signed by Ive but we are talking about the long term here. After the iPod,Ipad,Mac and iPhone there hasnt been a smash hit category for Apple. And thats concerning[/QUOTE]
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that's not the point, they all look like generic designs, imo. And let's not be pedantic by saying there is cherry picking...there is a lot of that.

You call this generic?

And this is somehow better looking

 

[Raist3001]

that's not the point, they all look like generic designs, imo. And let's not be pedantic by saying there is cherry picking...there is a lot of that.

Again, that was not the point. You are still claiming all Android phones look generic, which of course they don't. The word you are looking for is opinion.

Can you prove whatever this is called is because of a cost cutting measure by Apple as opposed to a design flaw or oversight? You missed the entire point if your going to ask me if "I'm serious".

I never said it was a cost cutting measure taken by Apple. You said you never heard of touch disease and I showed you that apple has acknowledged the issue and offered a repair program. And yes it has been proven by iFixit and plenty of others where the flaw in the equipment resides. Meaning that iPhone's are not free of equipment failures simply because they are made by Apple. Touch Disease is limited to the iPhone 6 and 6+, as the 6S models moved the controller chips off the logic board and onto the display itself.

"In reality, however, the issue is caused by failures in the U2402 "Meson" and U2401 "Cumulus" chips, both of which are soldered onto the main board and act as controllers to handle the touch features on Apple's smartphone."

 

[I7guy]

Do you want me to post pics of LCD burn in?Isolated rare issues will always exist

Unfortunately oled burn in is a side effect of the technology.

And considering you used that article to prove that TVs have been returned that same article states smartphones are unaffected

Except that's not the case.

Doesnt happen under normal usage which is why Apple is using it. Gets rid of yellow tint with a low probability of burn in vs an LCD where a yellow tint is a certainty.

What is normal usage?

As a bonus the best display on the planet

But not the most accurate.

And that doesnt make it any less of an awful experience. Now supposing I told you you get a high HP car with turbo at the same price as that of the low HP one?

It wasn't as fast as a Bugatti, but if that's a benchmark everything else is awful by comparison, by your logic.

Once the home button is removed you have a Google Pixel which is the iPhone minus the home button and it looks bland

And how on earth is this

Similar to this

Both are fairly bland and generic, imo. And Apple isn't removing the home button.

And yet record breaking quarters to continue next season despite a complete disaster of a flagship launch.It barely scratched them

What complete disaster?

You really dont understand how finances work.Its all about finance and making shareholders happy.A company exists to give high ROI to investors.
https://efinancemanagement.com/financial-management/profit-maximization

"Profit maximization is the main aim of any business and therefore it is also an objective of financial management. "

http://www.studylecturenotes.com/ma...ness-is-profit-the-sole-objective-of-business

http://www.publishyourarticles.net/...ective-of-the-business-is-to-earn-profit/561/

Every business is started to earn profits as it is essential for the survival and growth of business enterprises. Profit earning should be regarded as the main objective of business unit.

A ceos fiduciary responsibility is to maximize profits. A business is started to provide a service to a customer base.

So far anything Kuo says has always turned into facts

You can believe what rumor you want to believe.

Its the definition of iconic.Its the only phone which can stop a bullet and still live.Nothing can destroy it.Even if you try it will still live

This is straight from Wiki

"The Nokia 3310 is a GSM mobile phone announced on September 1, 2000,[2] and released in the fourth quarter of the year, replacing the popular Nokia 3210. The phone sold extremely well, being one of the most successful phones with 126 million units sold worldwide.[3] The phone is still widely acclaimed today,[1] and has gained a cult status due to its durability."

Okay, it's the Nokia is iconic to you but not to me. BMW and Ferrari are two other iconic brands other than iPhone.

There isnt a single phone in the Android market with a Edge display.How can any phone even look remotely similar. And instead of just bluffing how about you show ME ONE ANDROID PHONE which looks even remotely similar to the S7 Edge.

IMO, the phones all look alike.

Phone turned off by itself for millions of users.Is this black magic?

Nothing can be proven.

iFixit earned a lot outta it and even Apple was forced to acknowledge it although they greedily told customers to pay ofr it. But the fact that they even put out the notice sill means they acknowledged the issue and when Apple acknowledges a issue its obviously widespread

Greedily is hyperbole and cannot be proved.

Apple doesnt care about old timers. Apple kickstarted the no headphone jack revolution. They were the first to remove DVD drives and floppies. LCD is next. Just like how wide color displays gradually made their way to the iPhone after the iPad, the change to OLED will be gradual before eliminating LCDs altogether

It will be years before LCD is eliminated, imo.

The stock spiralled up the moment analysts put out their expectations of the OLED iPhone. The hype is real for 2017. The way things seem this release is probably the only release which will manage to top the HUGE Iphone 6 and the original iPhone release

You sure that's the reason, can you prove it. Maybe it's the expectation of the 10th anniversary ofnth iPhone?

So how is revenue?Revenue is a function of price.Apple charges the highest prices and gets high revenue.The Windows manufacturers charge low prices and generate high revenue. Since high revenue=Better product, $300 Dell Inspiron 15> Macbook Pro Retina

Price still has nothing to do with what is considered better.

I said they took them mainstream not that they invented it. They combined all that into a cohesive package which is functional

These were all mainstream for many years. This entire discussion is about your assertion cooks invented nothing. If cook didn't, jobs didn't, very few real inventions. Samsung took existing technology and reused it is all they did.

Because it indicates internal performance targets were missed which further implies all is not as well as it seems

So why do you care? The last quarter was a whopper and should go a long way toward restoring a heavy bonus for the next year, since your worried about him.

They can probably generate more revenue than Windows Phone and Android manufacturers by selling the iPhone 4 boxes signed by Ive but we are talking about the long term here. After the iPod,Ipad,Mac and iPhone there hasnt been a smash hit category for Apple. And thats concerning

their service revenue is very good. And iPad, watch and Mac continue to contribute to the bottom line. Buffet increased their holdings . It's all good.

You call this generic?

Yes.

And this is somehow better looking

Yes.
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Again, that was not the point. You are still claiming all Android phones look generic, which of course they don't. The word you are looking for is opinion.

Yes, isn't all of this our opinion?

I never said it was a cost cutting measure taken by Apple. You said you never heard of touch disease and I showed you that apple has acknowledged the issue and offered a repair program. And yes it has been proven by iFixit and plenty of others where the flaw in the equipment resides. Meaning that iPhone's are not free of equipment failures simply because they are made by Apple. Touch Disease is limited to the iPhone 6 and 6+, as the 6S models moved the controller chips off the logic board and onto the display itself.

"In reality, however, the issue is caused by failures in the U2402 "Meson" and U2401 "Cumulus" chips, both of which are soldered onto the main board and act as controllers to handle the touch features on Apple's smartphone."

You never said "it" directly but other posters have said Apple engineers do things in the cheapest way possible; as a cost saving measure; which can't be proved.

 

[Raist3001]

Both are fairly bland and generic, imo. And Apple isn't removing the home button.

According to many sources apple is removing the home button in favor of embedding this functionality into the OLED screen, or removing it all together in favor of retina detection, or a combination of both.

Yes, isn't all of this our opinion?

Yes, until an opinion is passed off as or implied as fact

You never said "it" directly but other posters have said Apple engineers do things in the cheapest way possible; as a cost saving measure; which can't be proved.

That's not my belief. What I do believe is that like any other company, apple will have equipment failures. And apple fans who deny these failures really do a disservice to apple and its loyal customer base. What can be proven is that the touch disease issue exists. And that has only ever been my point.