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I would be overjoyed and would certainly upgrade my iPhone 7 if Apple finally gets a 1080p screen resolution display! Even $200 smartphones now have 1080p displays on Amazon! It about time Apple step up and use a 1080p display in the 2017 4.7" anniversary model!
 
Why would u pay less for a better product..?

I go with A.. incremental updates... Apple would break its trend of "taking time" I've never seen Apple just change every product all at once.... without taking a breath..

Tim would pass out.
 
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Sorry, we disagree and you are using an entitlement viewpoint in that Apple owes us new designs and improvements at always the same price, no matter what they do with the next generation of iPhones and what they have done in the past.

We do not know if the OLED displays cost more, we do not know whether there will be new camera component which will cost more. It seems there is another battery strip in it and we do not know if the assembly yields are different and assembly the costs more. There maybe other components which now cost more.

That's only mentioning a few possible price accelerators.

Now, since everybody is crying that the " assembly slaves" should be paid fair wages, Apple may have agreed to that and as we all know things get more expensive over time.

There is way to much info missing to call them greedy or forcing anybody.

Forcing is clearly the wrong word, when there are so many alternatives out there.

People need to start separating emotions and mostly WANT vs. NEED and their lives would be much easier.

As QUEEN used to sing: W
Although named iPhone it is not a phone. It is a computer, albeit quite small.
The trend of getting more and more for the same price cannot continue endlessly.
I don't know their margins and frankly I don't care. If they are indeed huge (and who is the judge of what is huge),
good for them.

What I go by is the value a product presents for me. Any product.

The 2016 MBP is not what I would want , so I won't buy one. If they adjust pricing and put 1TB and 32GB in it ,maybe
I'll get one in 2020.

As a long time Apple user you know that the revise many products after about 3 to 5 months. Usually quietly.

Since it's all a rumor and we don't know what is coming I prefer to wait and see.

One thing I don't do is consider any company greedy, just because they make a lot of money.

I wish I had a money machine like they have. Besides running it for for max profit, I would also do a lot of good with it
as in charity, developing nations etc. But then that's me. A corporation owned by share holders can't think like that.

A superior product experience deserves extra. For me the iPhone does give me that.

The few quirks has in a non perfect world I can live with.
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Yes. The constantly same price over many years for more tech will finally or possibly increase:)
Agreed. At the end of the day, consumers will be forking over wads of cash to purchase the premium device regardless of higher cost, build materials, and advanced tech, ubiquitous or not.
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Please no more fragmentation. Keep it simple for the customer!
Can we stop with the fragmentation argument already? The iPhone lineup is actually pretty simple and straight-forward compared to Android. And iOS remains a consistent experience across all Apple mobile devices.
 
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Agreed. At the end of the day, consumers will be forking over wads of cash to purchase the premium device regardless of higher cost, build materials, and advanced tech, ubiquitous or not.
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Can we stop with the fragmentation argument already? The iPhone lineup is actually pretty simple and straight-forward compared to Android. And iOS remains a consistent experience across all Apple mobile devices.

It's not hard to be simple compared to the android lineup. All I'm asking is that all features are included in each size device. Why can't we just pick our preferred screen size and be able to enjoy the features enjoyed by those who prefer a larger screen? Seems like common sense to me.
 
It's not hard to be simple compared to the android lineup. All I'm asking is that all features are included in each size device. Why can't we just pick our preferred screen size and be able to enjoy the features enjoyed by those who prefer a larger screen? Seems like common sense to me.
Common sense yes, completely agree, but Apple dictates the rules and knows how to drive sales of the more expensive device. Like it or not. I'm guessing that if a $1,000 iPhone comes out pushing build materials and tech that the 7S doesn't possess, there will be a lot of angry posts on this site. And at the end of the day, this more premium device will still sell a million units+ in the first year, or as supplies last.
 
Common sense yes, completely agree, but Apple dictates the rules and knows how to drive sales of the more expensive device. Like it or not. I'm guessing that if a $1,000 iPhone comes out pushing build materials and tech that the 7S doesn't possess, there will be a lot of angry posts on this site. And at the end of the day, this more premium device will still sell a million units+ in the first year, or as supplies last.

Of course, absolutely. Kind of makes me wonder what our current devices are classed as if they're not premium.

But anyway, what I'd love to see is two or three models of different screen sizes, but all with the same specs and all with the same construction.
 
I would be overjoyed and would certainly upgrade my iPhone 7 if Apple finally gets a 1080p screen resolution display! Even $200 smartphones now have 1080p displays on Amazon! It about time Apple step up and use a 1080p display in the 2017 4.7" anniversary model!
On the 4.7? Forget about it. It will be at 750P. The 5.5 will be 1080P and doubtless the 5.8 OLED iPhone will be 1600P to counter the Pentile Matrix. Apple wont give much attention to these rehashed phones as the ones they are most focused on is the OLED iPhone because of higher profit margins and higher ASP. The 7S and 7S Plus will get the iPad Mini 4 treatment at the keynote

I really hate this product fragmentation as it forces me to get a size I dont want to enjoy new features. The Note 7 is the S7 Edge with an S Pen and slightly less curved edges.The S7 Edge is just an S7 with a curved screen. Features and spec-wise all these devices are the same. But now it looks like the standard iPhone will be the "poor man's" iPhone with almost no new features (seriously the only difference between a 6 and a 7 is OSI on the camera and waterproofing) while I have shell out nearly 1300 bucks plus taxes to enjoy new features and get a screen size I dont like
 
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You have to? Really.. I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head..
I want OLED, wireless charging and iOS. I also cant just dump my Apple Watch 1st gen. The only way to do that is to get the phone with the bigger screen which would cost 1.3k. In fact I would have reconsidered my 7 Plus purchase if the 7 also came with a 1080P resolution screen,a bigger battery and dual lens camera. Hence Apple made my decision for me by not giving the smaller phone some love. This is one of the shortcomings of iOS and one of the biggest advantages on Android
 
Exclusive means a handful of people the world over, somehow I don't think the iPhone 8 no matter what they charge is ever gonna be exclusive.
Your mindset by the way is soooooooo intriguing.. you seem more interested in having what no one else has above all else. But you still.choose the common as muck iPhone that every 2 bit hustler has in his back pocket mistakenly thinking it brings an air of elegance to his sad life..
Then you say you want the best, which the iPhone most certainly isn't. Talk about a state of confusion..
Do you want to talk.about it fella..

Exclusive doesn't mean it has to be limited to a handful of people the world over. For me, it means almost nobody in my local area is carrying the model of phone I have. I don't care if thousands of people elsewhere in the world who I will never meet might own one.

For Apple to truly release an iPhone that only a handful of people will buy, it would mean they would have charge far more than a few grand. It would probably have to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, and at that price point I would definitely not be buying one. :)

I'm also not particularly bothered if I do continue to carry a model of iPhone that almost everyone else has. I'm just making the arguments why an ultra premium edition of the iPhone could be popular, and why some people (myself included) might buy one.

But for me, the underlying technology, the fact my iPhone runs on the world's most advanced mobile operating system (iOS), that is maintained by a company obsessed with protecting my privacy, that it has the best app ecosystem, and that it works seamlessly with all my other best-in-class devices from Apple - these are things I value most, and these are the reasons I will always choose iPhone.
 
It was joke bro ;):)

This is why there needs to be a sarcasm emoji.
Most of the time my posts make me look like an ass when really, only 83% should be taken as literal.

As for the original topic, I really didn't even need to get the 7+. I had a 6+ that was perfectly fine and only got the 7+ because for some reason, I felt I "needed" the latest and greatest. Something about Apple lately has seemingly cured me of this need. My 7+ will do me fine until it dies, just like my 4S did.
 
3G -> 3GS -> 4 -> 4S -> 5 -> 5S -> 6 -> 6S -> 7 -> 8???

Come on people, there's no reason to believe Apple will break the cycle. We're getting a 7S this year, and the 8 is coming next year.

The problem is that the iphone 7 feels more like iphone 6s-S than a whole new one.
 
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The problem is that the iphone 7 feels more like iphone 6s-S than a whole new one.
Not if you came from an iPhone 6.
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On the 4.7? Forget about it. It will be at 750P. The 5.5 will be 1080P and doubtless the 5.8 OLED iPhone will be 1600P to counter the Pentile Matrix. Apple wont give much attention to these rehashed phones as the ones they are most focused on is the OLED iPhone because of higher profit margins and higher ASP. The 7S and 7S Plus will get the iPad Mini 4 treatment at the keynote

I really hate this product fragmentation as it forces me to get a size I dont want to enjoy new features. The Note 7 is the S7 Edge with an S Pen and slightly less curved edges.The S7 Edge is just an S7 with a curved screen. Features and spec-wise all these devices are the same. But now it looks like the standard iPhone will be the "poor man's" iPhone with almost no new features (seriously the only difference between a 6 and a 7 is OSI on the camera and waterproofing) while I have shell out nearly 1300 bucks plus taxes to enjoy new features and get a screen size I dont like
Glad you gave it figured out. Now if you could tell me the stock price on announcement day. And no the difference between the 6 and 7 is more than osi and waterproof including worlds most accurate display. Shall I list them?
 
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Exclusive doesn't mean it has to be limited to a handful of people the world over. For me, it means almost nobody in my local area is carrying the model of phone I have. I don't care if thousands of people elsewhere in the world who I will never meet might own one.

For Apple to truly release an iPhone that only a handful of people will buy, it would mean they would have charge far more than a few grand. It would probably have to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, and at that price point I would definitely not be buying one. :)

I'm also not particularly bothered if I do continue to carry a model of iPhone that almost everyone else has. I'm just making the arguments why an ultra premium edition of the iPhone could be popular, and why some people (myself included) might buy one.

But for me, the underlying technology, the fact my iPhone runs on the world's most advanced mobile operating system (iOS), that is maintained by a company obsessed with protecting my privacy, that it has the best app ecosystem, and that it works seamlessly with all my other best-in-class devices from Apple - these are things I value most, and these are the reasons I will always choose iPhone.
Am I reading a reply from a poster, or a section off the Apple website, I just can't tell with you mate.

Sorry Tim but every time you post corporate propaganda your credibility as a voice with their own valid opinion lessons. Which is a shame..
Are those few bucks Apple throws your way to write this nonsense worth it if you lose your self respect along the way.. you are better than that buddy..
 
I want OLED, wireless charging and iOS. I also cant just dump my Apple Watch 1st gen. The only way to do that is to get the phone with the bigger screen which would cost 1.3k. In fact I would have reconsidered my 7 Plus purchase if the 7 also came with a 1080P resolution screen,a bigger battery and dual lens camera. Hence Apple made my decision for me by not giving the smaller phone some love. This is one of the shortcomings of iOS and one of the biggest advantages on Android
Wasn't much of a shortcoming given the last quarter, but Apple is headed in that direction for sure.
 
Wasn't much of a shortcoming given the last quarter, but Apple is headed in that direction for sure.

You mean the holiday quarter. Let's see how the normal one does . Anyways I don't care how much money they make. I don't like the direction they are heading so I am splitting ways. Those who want to can continue to stay. I don't consider finances to be a metric of innovation in any way . Apple could literally just update the internals of the iPhone 7 and it would still sell like hot cakes. Hence they aren't bothered to push the design equation forward and sticking with the same design for the 4th year in a row because they know it will still sell .Wireless charging,OLED and glass designs are not something revolutionary to smartphones and I don't see why I have to bear a dinner plate phone and pay 1.3k for it I would rather go for the underdog who is trying real innovation and trying to earn recognition and not just fragmenting products to earn more profits rather than customer satisfaction.
 
Not if you came from an iPhone 6.
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Now if you could tell me the stock price on announcement day.



And no the difference between the 6 and 7 is more than osi and waterproof including worlds most accurate display. Shall I list them?

I have an iPhone 6 and a 7 in my hand right now. There are definitely differences in display quality. The 7 is more saturated and warmer but it's not something I would upgrade for. It's definitely not as groundbreaking as the 5s to 6 upgrade or the 3GS to 4s upgrade. In the history of iPhone releases the changes from the 6 to the 7 are the most underwhelming by far.

The only noteworthy features I found are a better battery , no antenna bands and a faster phone. I actually only use 3DT just for the cursor navigation otherwise my muscle memory forgets it's even there. Still nowhere near the upgrade features from the 5s to the 6. I am not getting the feeling of "new" I usually get with the number change release iPhone. Thats all there is to it

And for the last time. I couldn't care less if they touched record highs. I dont look at balance sheets or my stock capital gains while buying products. I look\ at what I get vs the competition. And compared to Android the choice is almost a no brainer with this new iPhone. To me now they are just a money hungry tax avoiding corporation just like how Jobs predicted back in the 90s.
 
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You mean the holiday quarter. Let's see how the normal one does . Anyways I don't care how much money they make. I don't like the direction they are heading so I am splitting ways. Those who want to can continue to stay. I don't consider finances to be a metric of innovation in any way . Apple could literally just update the internals of the iPhone 7 and it would still sell like hot cakes. Hence they aren't bothered to push the design equation forward and sticking with the same design for the 4th year in a row because they know it will still sell .Wireless charging,OLED and glass designs are not something revolutionary to smartphones and I don't see why I have to bear a dinner plate phone and pay 1.3k for it I would rather go for the underdog who is trying real innovation and trying to earn recognition and not just fragmenting products to earn more profits rather than customer satisfaction.
Sure go for the underdog attempting "real innovation". You have to do what is best for you(stating the obvious), You don't like the direction apple is taking and you have "factual" proof of the next set of iphones and are lining up your options.

I'm a satisified customer, and said previously, I will be evaluating the next set of iphones to see if I want to buy one.

And you already know of apples sales cycle, but you gotta admit with all of the doom and gloom on these forums, none of that came to pass and the stock is up; (along with BH buying more of apple)
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I have an iPhone 6 and a 7 in my hand right now. There are definitely differences in display quality. The 7 is more saturated and warmer but it's not something I would upgrade for. It's definitely not as groundbreaking as the 5s to 6 upgrade or the 3GS to 4s upgrade. In the history of iPhone releases the changes from the 6 to the 7 are the most underwhelming by far.

The only noteworthy features I found are a better battery , no antenna bands and a faster phone. I actually only use 3DT just for the cursor navigation otherwise my muscle memory forgets it's even there. Still nowhere near the upgrade features from the 5s to the 6. I am not getting the feeling of "new" I usually get with the number change release iPhone. Thats all there is to it

And for the last time. I couldn't care less if they touched record highs. I dont look at balance sheets or my stock capital gains while buying products. I look\ at what I get vs the competition. And compared to Android the choice is almost a no brainer with this new iPhone. To me now they are just a money hungry tax avoiding corporation just like how Jobs predicted back in the 90s.
Camera, SOC, ram, memory, display, 3dt, battery, stereo speakers was enough for me. 128 gig is cool to have.

As far as if you "care less" about record highs, that conversation only matters in the context of the "apple is doomed" propoganda and Timmy's pay cut. Other than that it doesn't matter.:rolleyes: But it does show not all paying customers agree with some of the assessments here.
 
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Sure go for the underdog attempting "real innovation". You have to do what is best for you(stating the obvious), You don't like the direction apple is taking and you have "factual" proof of the next set of iphones and are lining up your options.
I looked at the price and the features. Why should I pay 1.3k for 32 GB storage,Samsung's curved edge OLED, wireless charging confirmed to be using the inductive mat which the Nexus 5 had in 2013 and not the long range one and a glass back?Iris scanner has been on Lumias and galaxies for years.

Its insulting to me,the customer, to pay through the roof for last years tech. Now had this been a quantum dot/MicroLED display,foldable displays,optical TouchID THAT would make it worth it but it isnt



And you already know of apples sales cycle, but you gotta admit with all of the doom and gloom on these forums, none of that came to pass and the stock is up; (along with BH buying more of apple)
You have yet to realise till now that the "Doom and gloom" on this site are talking about the long term. We already had Timmy's pay cut, 2 NORMAL quarters of sales declines and the tanking iPad with almost half of what it was in 2013 and the lowest op margin in 7 years.

Camera, SOC, ram, memory, display, 3dt, battery, stereo speakers was enough for me. 128 gig is cool to have.
Its literally the same camera with OSI.I can post pics from both and you have to have your eyes close to the screen to even spot minor differences.Low light performance is slightly better. But this is not even close to the camera jump between the S6 and the S7 or the 5S and the 6

SOC,display,battery,RAM are something I expect of an "S" cycle update which is why I never bought the S Variants as there was nothing new practically for me. And nothing on the App Store comes even close to utilising that much power. So in practical usage I dont see any difference between an Android phone and an iPhone.In fact after turning the animations off, Android is faster

Stereo speakers.Hahaha. I dont listen to loud speaker music so its irrelevant for me. And if I want REAL stereo speakers I would turn to the HTC One M9 with front facing speakers

And what does storage have to do with this? The Galaxy S7 allows expandable storage which I can remove and reinsert on the next Galaxy without any hitches. Now thats cool


As far as if you "care less" about record highs, that conversation only matters in the context of the "apple is doomed" propoganda and Timmy's pay cut. Other than that it doesn't matter.:rolleyes: But it does show not all paying customers agree with some of the assessments here.

I repeat. Apple can take the iPhone 7,upgrade the CPU,RAM,display and battery and it would still sell. They have no incentive to innovate as the costs of innovation wont make the incremental sales benefits worth it. Which is why you are seeing features,Android phones have had for years come to the iPhone just now at an astronomical price as if Apple just invented them which I can almost assure is something Timmy or Schiller will say at the Keynote. In fact I would readily pay even 1.8K for a Surface Phone running real WIndows rather than 1.3k for this iPhone
 
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Ugh....I really don't want a giant phone to carry around, but I want the best features. And I want the new pretty design.
 
I looked at the price and the features. Why should I pay 1.3k for 32 GB storage,Samsung's curved edge OLED, wireless charging confirmed to be using the inductive mat which the Nexus 5 had in 2013 and not the long range one and a glass back?Iris scanner has been on Lumias and galaxies for years.
You don't have to pay anything and shouldnt if don't want to. Period.

Its insulting to me,the customer, to pay through the roof for last years tech. Now had this been a quantum dot/MicroLED display,foldable displays,optical TouchID THAT would make it worth it but it isnt
If it's insulting to you isn't great choices exist? Apple may not be for everyone.

You have yet to realise till now that the "Doom and gloom" on this site are talking about the long term. We already had Timmy's pay cut, 2 NORMAL quarters of sales declines and the tanking iPad with almost half of what it was in 2013 and the lowest op margin in 7 years.
Also with quarter after quarter of record profits since Timmy took over. And don't worry about timmys pay, next years comp package will be off the charts. And Timmy has to clean up jobs iPad mess. And what about the long term 20 years?

Its literally the same camera with OSI.I can post pics from both and you have to have your eyes close to the screen to even spot minor differences.Low light performance is slightly better. But this is not even close to the camera jump between the S6 and the S7 or the 5S and the 6
Okay, but I still bought one.

SOC,display,battery,RAM are something I expect of an "S" cycle update which is why I never bought the S Variants as there was nothing new practically for me. And nothing on the App Store comes even close to utilising that much power. So in practical usage I dont see any difference between an Android phone and an iPhone.In fact after turning the animations off, Android is faster
Well I did, and again I bought one.

Stereo speakers.Hahaha. I dont listen to loud speaker music so its irrelevant for me. And if I want REAL stereo speakers I would turn to the HTC One M9 with front facing speakers
So get an htc, in the meantime I'm enjoying my new phone.

And what does storage have to do with this? The Galaxy S7 allows expandable storage which I can remove and reinsert on the next Galaxy without any hitches. Now thats cool
It's cool not to fumble with micro-sd cards.

I repeat. Apple can take the iPhone 7,upgrade the CPU,RAM,display and battery and it would still sell. They have no incentive to innovate as the costs of innovation wont make the incremental sales benefits worth it. Which is why you are seeing features,Android phones have had for years come to the iPhone just now at an astronomical price as if Apple just invented them which I can almost assure is something Timmy or Schiller will say at the Keynote. In fact I would readily pay even 1.8K for a Surface Phone running real WIndows rather than 1.3k for this iPhone
Seems like plenty of innovation to me and some others judging by the sales figures. (And if Apple is t innovating neither is any android manufacturer) So get a surface phone, frankly you should use what you want, Apple will not miss your business I assure you.
 
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Common sense yes, completely agree, but Apple dictates the rules and knows how to drive sales of the more expensive device. Like it or not. I'm guessing that if a $1,000 iPhone comes out pushing build materials and tech that the 7S doesn't possess, there will be a lot of angry posts on this site. And at the end of the day, this more premium device will still sell a million units+ in the first year, or as supplies last.

Anybody who keeps their products for a long time should always buy the top of the line maxed out.

(I drive my cars into the ground or until they get totaled (last one at 223,000 plus sales, I use my MBPs until dead or left behind by OS X, apr. 4 years per iPhone or until it dies or is left behind by iOS, etc.etc. )
Don't always need the latest , as long as it does what I need to do.

Usually with that "long term behavior" that ends up to be the bottom configuration over the long haul.

Although, with Apple it seems to take longer than for other products:)
 
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The trend of getting more and more for the same price cannot continue endlessly.

I would argue that each previous version of the iPhone or any Apple product has improved with every update. By your logic, Apple should increase the price of the iPhone every year just because they improve it and add new technology. Um...no. It doesn't work that way. If Apple did that, eventually they'd price themselves out of reach for most consumers. It's not a question of continually charging more for each update. It's a question of Apple keeping up with current technology & competition. Consumers are used to paying relatively the same price for each update.
 
I would argue that each previous version of the iPhone or any Apple product has improved with every update. By your logic, Apple should increase the price of the iPhone every year just because they improve it and add new technology. Um...no. It doesn't work that way. If Apple did that, eventually they'd price themselves out of reach for most consumers. It's not a question of continually charging more for each update. It's a question of Apple keeping up with current technology & competition. Consumers are used to paying relatively the same price for each update.
I understand your argument and common sense tells me you are 100% correct. However, this is Apple we're talking about here under Tim Cook's guidance. The same Apple that released a $20,000 watch and hobnobbed it with the fashion elite on the runways of Milan to promote it at launch. Apple fans are litterally starved for a major overhaul to the iPhone design. When it releases, regardless of how long OLED screens and wireless charging technology have been around, consumers will be lined up with wallets open and well before day 1 to buy—even at a $1,000+ price point.

(Remember that old movie Field of Dreams?)

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