iPhone 8 Concepts Explore How Apple Could Hide or 'Embrace' the Display's Sensor Notch

[the future]

False. My symmetry theory is perfect. You see, it's my belief that the status bar black bar goes below the cutout by 1/8". It's not just the base of the cutout. The status bar will remain in a single line directly below the cutout and the left and right corners will have new elements. You cannot fit the status bar in the top left and right corners, that's a fact. The only way they could do it is if they got rid of about 80% of the possible elements that currently occupy the status bar, and once you do that, you might as well eliminate the status bar completely. This is why the status bar will remain in a single line directly below the cutout.

The bottom black bar will be symmetrical to this.

I told you already that I think it's quite possible, even relatively probable, that the top and bottom areas will be blacked out to blend in with the notch and bezels – but your "perfect symmetry" theory I will absolutely bet against. This will not happen because then the top black area would be way bigger than necessary for the status bar elements and thus a waste of valuable screen real estate. And another thing I will bet against: I'm quite sure the clock will not be in the top middle position of the screen anymore because there will be no status bar line beneath the notch. They will sooner get rid of the provider designation than waste screen real estate. And the clock can move to the bottom. So there you go – we'll see in a few weeks who's right and who's wrong.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

I’m wondering the same. I just can’t imagine a world where Apple is selling a majority of their iPhones with a four-year-old design (big bezels, LCD, etc.) at the same price point Samsung is selling phones with no bezels, AMOLED, wireless charging, iris scanning, facial recognition, etc. Either the whole lineup gets a redesign, the price for the “7s” goes down, or the “8” won’t be as expensive as everyone thinks. (Or Tim Cook is out of his mind lol)

Cook is out of his mind, that's very obvious!
They totally screwed up the MacBook Pro price tag, removed the headphone jack, kept the same design for 3 years.

The only thing iPhone is good at this moment is IOS and A10!

 

[nurban1992]

Where is the clock going to go?

In iOS 11, the lock screen and Notification Center have been merged into one unified system. When you swipe down from the “notch”, both the time and date will be accessible in large, clearly legible font. You might think pessimisticly to assume this is an inconvenience, but it is hardly so, considering that it takes a single second to swipe it down, view the time, and slide it back up. A perfectly reasonable solution.

 

[9594864]

I told you already that I think it's quite possible, even relatively probable, that the top and bottom areas will be blacked out to blend in with the notch and bezels – but your "perfect symmetry" theory I will absolutely bet against. This will not happen because then the top black area would be way bigger than necessary for the status bar elements and thus a waste of valuable screen real estate. And another thing I will bet against: I'm quite sure the clock will not be in the top middle position of the screen anymore because there will be no status bar line beneath the notch. They will sooner get rid of the provider designation than waste screen real estate. And the clock can move to the bottom. So there you go – we'll see in a few weeks who's right and who's wrong.

One of these is the premium iPhone. Enjoy
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In iOS 11, the lock screen and Notification Center have been merged into one unified system. When you swipe down from the “notch”, both the time and date will be accessible in large, clearly legible font. You might think pessimisticly to assume this is an inconvenience, but it is hardly so, considering that it takes a single second to swipe it down, view the time, and slide it back up. A perfectly reasonable solution.

No. It's not at all a reasonable solution. Think about it harder.

The time is glanceable and it absolutely has to be glanceable. Swiping down the lock screen to see the time would be a categorically inferior OS experience for all 1 billion iPhone users. It's not a slight swipe down and see it at the bottom, either, since the time is at the top, you'd have to swipe completely down and then completely back up and that would be hilariously poor design by Apple for seeing what time it is.

 

[GoldenJoe]

What is the point of making the screen bigger if you're just going to waste all that space with a huge NAVIGATION TITLE?

 

[Glockworkorange]

Lack of Touch ID would require Apple to rewrite their Apple Pay agreement, which means that every retailer and every bank would have to agree to the new one. Remember how long it took for some to get on Apple Pay in the first place? It'd be a huge problem for millions of users while we waited for all of them to accept such a change.

I just don't see them completely leaving Touch ID, especially considering they just added it to the MBP. If they were transitioning away from it to a camera-based system, why put in the work to add it to the MBP, only to remove it and have to integrate the new system a year later?

I don't know if this is true, but if it is, has anyone read the Apple Pay agreement with banks? Do we know if it confines payments to Touch ID only?
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That third image is the best way forward. A phone no longer needs to display the time as the Apple Watch now has that responsibility.

Yes, I am sure Schiller will take to the stage and say people should just buy the watch if they want to know the time at a glance. Courage.

 

[Uni Grad]

I honestly don't think that Apple's going to "embrace the notch".
Also, Jony likes symmetry and so there is most likely going to be a balanced header and footer (in terms of bezel). I also think they might go with the pre-iPhone 5S home button icon, which will serve as a virtual home button, but will be compact enough as to not take a lot of space.

I also do not see Apple doing rounded-off screen corners, it serves no purpose.

Here is what I think it will look like:

 

[Wildhope]

Will there be a iPhone 7S plus the new iPhone 8 Pro? I like the design of the pro

 

[Glockworkorange]

I honestly don't think that Apple's going to "embrace the notch".
Also, Jony likes symmetry and so there is most likely going to be a balanced header and footer (in terms of bezel). I also think they might go with the pre-iPhone 5S home button icon, which will serve as a virtual home button, but will be compact enough as to not take a lot of space.

I also do not see Apple doing rounded-off screen corners, it serves no purpose.

Here is what I think it will look like:

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I think it will look more like this, but without the white square box signifying the home screen.

 

[nurban1992]

Cook is out of his mind, that's very obvious!
They totally screwed up the MacBook Pro price tag, removed the headphone jack, kept the same design for 3 years.

The only thing iPhone is good at this moment is IOS and A10!

Cook is hardly out of his mind. Have you followed Apple’s latest quarterly reports? They’ve increased their margins in every market they’re in, even against the odds. Cook is taking Apple, as a business, to new heights. More people are buying and enjoying Apple products than ever before.

The MacBook’s pricing is still rational; haven’t really become extortionary as you’re implying — as evidenced by the fact that Mac sales are actually increasing amidst an overall PC market that is shrinking. Apple charges what people are willing to pay — people are clearly willing to pay what Apple is asking.

The headphone jack was removed because Apple is working toward a wireless future. Such a future is inevitable and indeniably ideal. I’m not sure why you’d want to be bound to a wire if the technologies exist such that you don’t have to be. What that is... is being afraid of change; limiting our embrace of future innovation.
In the box, Apple includes the necessities to continue use of wired headphones, and there are also many third party accessory solutions they return the capacity to charge and listen with wired headphones simultaneously. That said, Apple’s AirPods are an incredible example of the potential of wireless earbuds. I have a pair and I love them to pieces; many others who own them, even those who were skeptical of them, have admitted that they are very well designed and functional as expected. They are widely considered by many as being a product worthy of the “Apple magic” monicker. Apple is handing their removal of the headphone jack very well. If you are displeased, it is because you are not considering that there are ways to continue using wired headphones, or that you are being too stubborn to explore the wireless headphone market.

The iPhone’s lack of design change is clearly not negatively impacting reception of their product. People love the iPhone 7/7 Plus — especially the 7 Plus for its camera, which is lauded as the best smartphone camera, hands down. Even a former Google employee (executive? Forgot their position) openly admitted that the iPhone 7 Plus’ camera is years ahead of anything available on any android device in terms of raw image and capture quality. The lack of a design refresh is not necessary to ship a product that satisfies market expectations. Not to mention that this year’s super cycle iPhone is going to more than make up for the 7’s lack of design change.

All of these things, to my perfectly rational mind, are signs that Cook’s leadership is strong, and is still rooted by the long term goal to create products that satisfy customers and working toward forward-thinking innovations. Just because you don’t seem to understand the ideals they are embracing doesn’t mean that they are failing. Because, *factually*, they are doing everything but failing.

 

[Uni Grad]

I think it will look more like this, but without the white square box signifying the home screen.

Yeah the square box home icon is just my take on it. I think it looks better than a small circle and Apple tends to bring back designs that they've used in the past. But again, its just my personal spin on how they'll incorporate a home button for navigation.

 

[Applestock]

I told you already that I think it's quite possible, even relatively probable, that the top and bottom areas will be blacked out to blend in with the notch and bezels – but your "perfect symmetry" theory I will absolutely bet against. This will not happen because then the top black area would be way bigger than necessary for the status bar elements and thus a waste of valuable screen real estate. And another thing I will bet against: I'm quite sure the clock will not be in the top middle position of the screen anymore because there will be no status bar line beneath the notch. They will sooner get rid of the provider designation than waste screen real estate. And the clock can move to the bottom. So there you go – we'll see in a few weeks who's right and who's wrong.

You could also make the bottom area much smaller. No need for a tall round home button when you're not using TouchID.

 

[341328]

The round corners better all be the same radius

 

[themorioles]

If the status bar is white (flush with the content), what will it look like when it scrolls? Will the content scroll underneath the status bar? Mockup with the white status looks good statically, but will it work in practice?

 

[RedGala]

Yes, the time at the top is somewhat important, so I was about to ask the same

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If it is removed, I can't wait to see all the spin on how this is good for the consumer.

I for one, will be sad to see it go.

I will be pissed if I have to hold up my phone near my face to unlock the phone after giving Siri a command. Some things require the phone to be unlocked with TouchID.

 

[Mascots]

Lack of Touch ID would require Apple to rewrite their Apple Pay agreement, which means that every retailer and every bank would have to agree to the new one. Remember how long it took for some to get on Apple Pay in the first place? It'd be a huge problem for millions of users while we waited for all of them to accept such a change.

I've seen this said but absolutely no shred of evidence of it other than "it sounds plausible and complicated"

The contracts that leaked about Apple Pay to banks vaguely described metrics of security, not the exact implementation of: Apple is not required to have them all sign again based on the verification method used to enable Apple Pay from anything I've seen.
Plus the merchant contracts lack this clause about metrics of security entirely... so there's nothing for retailers to do.

I expect that was done from the start to keep their options open (planning for new auth methods and devices!).

 

[ges]

True but Apple Watch is an extension of Touch ID using PIN entry. I think so long as Apple includes Touch ID, there is no issue but removing Touch ID might require all new agreements. Hope you're right.

Isn't TouchID an extension of PIN entry, rather than vice versa? i.e. You can use a PIN without TouchID but you can't enable TouchID without a PIN. This is because your fingerprint is stored (mathematically) in the secure enclave of the chip, but behind your PIN. That's why you have to enter your pin on restarting the phone.

 

[jarman92]

Cook is out of his mind, that's very obvious!
They totally screwed up the MacBook Pro price tag, removed the headphone jack, kept the same design for 3 years.

The only thing iPhone is good at this moment is IOS and A10!

Well I don't know too much about the MacBook pricing, but the removal of the headphone jack was a great move in my book (never really used it anyway, was an ugly gaping hole in the phone, etc.). But a 4th year of iPhone 6 design—even with a new design "special edition" or whatever at the top price point—just seems like too much.

 

[santaliqueur]

Where is the clock going to go?

It's currently so tiny, maybe we forgot it was even there. When something is on the screen the clock is SO SMALL.

I wish Apple would standardize some of this stuff. A locked iPhone without any audio playing displays a large clock, maybe 30% of the height of the screen. A locked iPhone playing audio has a HUGE album art photo (unable to change this), large audio controls, a large text display of the audio, and a TINY clock. Barely even noticeable unless you know it's there. When the iPhone is unlocked, the clock is tiny because the icons take up much of the screen, but when it's locked, most of the time I want to know the time. I understand if I might be in the minority (even though I doubt I am), but can't we have options with some of this stuff?

 

[Michael Scrip]

Where is the clock going to go?

Maybe the clock could go in the top-left where the signal strength and WIFI indicators are. And you'd swipe to switch between them.

Honestly... do you need to see how many signal bars you have and the name of your carrier... all the time?

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Cook is hardly out of his mind. Have you followed Apple’s latest quarterly reports? They’ve increased their margins in every market they’re in, even against the odds. Cook is taking Apple, as a business, to new heights. More people are buying and enjoying Apple products than ever before.

The MacBook’s pricing is still rational; haven’t really become extortionary as you’re implying — as evidenced by the fact that Mac sales are actually increasing amidst an overall PC market that is shrinking. Apple charges what people are willing to pay — people are clearly willing to pay what Apple is asking.

The headphone jack was removed because Apple is working toward a wireless future. Such a future is inevitable and indeniably ideal. I’m not sure why you’d want to be bound to a wire if the technologies exist such that you don’t have to be. What that is... is being afraid of change; limiting our embrace of future innovation.
In the box, Apple includes the necessities to continue use of wired headphones, and there are also many third party accessory solutions they return the capacity to charge and listen with wired headphones simultaneously. That said, Apple’s AirPods are an incredible example of the potential of wireless earbuds. I have a pair and I love them to pieces; many others who own them, even those who were skeptical of them, have admitted that they are very well designed and functional as expected. They are widely considered by many as being a product worthy of the “Apple magic” monicker. Apple is handing their removal of the headphone jack very well. If you are displeased, it is because you are not considering that there are ways to continue using wired headphones, or that you are being too stubborn to explore the wireless headphone market.

The iPhone’s lack of design change is clearly not negatively impacting reception of their product. People love the iPhone 7/7 Plus — especially the 7 Plus for its camera, which is lauded as the best smartphone camera, hands down. Even a former Google employee (executive? Forgot their position) openly admitted that the iPhone 7 Plus’ camera is years ahead of anything available on any android device in terms of raw image and capture quality. The lack of a design refresh is not necessary to ship a product that satisfies market expectations. Not to mention that this year’s super cycle iPhone is going to more than make up for the 7’s lack of design change.

All of these things, to my perfectly rational mind, are signs that Cook’s leadership is strong, and is still rooted by the long term goal to create products that satisfy customers and working toward forward-thinking innovations. Just because you don’t seem to understand the ideals they are embracing doesn’t mean that they are failing. Because, *factually*, they are doing everything but failing.

Apple is simply selling well because of its brand. Ask someone China or Russia, if you own a Apple product you're being seen as wealthy (like wearing Polo Ralph Lauren or Rolex). People like to pay for fashion product to show their status and Apple is doing very well in this field...

You tell me... why are people not purchasing a more innovative phone like the Galaxy S8? It can do wireless headphones as good as an iPhone, yet they keep the headphone jack for the audiophiles. What about OLED, larger screen, high screen/body ratio, SD-card slot, QI charging, fast chaging, gigabit class LTE, Iris scanner, Facial scanner, better battery life, VR, IP68, cheaper than one year old iPhone 7/7 plus and the list goes on...

Most people buy iPhones like most people believe different Gods, yet the monitory was doing the right thing (the scientists)

 

[iamatourist]

Here's how I think the interface will end up looking like.

The blank spaces will be contextual / customisable, like the macOS Touch Bar.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Well I don't know too much about the MacBook pricing, but the removal of the headphone jack was a great move in my book (never really used it anyway, was an ugly gaping hole in the phone, etc.). But a 4th year of iPhone 6 design—even with a new design "special edition" or whatever at the top price point—just seems like too much.

If you don't use it because you thing it looks like a "gloryhole" it most certainly does not mean it's useless. Even tough the iPhone 7 is a great piece of technology, you do realize that most of the complain are the lack of headphone jack..... right.... right?

 

[jarman92]

First of all, I didn't say anything about a gloryhole so not sure what's on your mind . I also never said it was useless; in fact it's quite useful, and all those uses are perfectly well met by the Lightning port and/or Bluetooth. The only people who complain about it are techies and probably audiophiles. Out of tens of millions of iPhone 7 owners, I guarantee a small single-digit percentage of them ever think about the 3.5 mm jack (or lack thereof).

And the bottom of the phone looks 10x better without a dust-filled hole in it.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

First of all, I didn't say anything about a gloryhole so not sure what's on your mind . I also never said it was useless; in fact it's quite useful, and all those uses are perfectly well met by the Lightning port and/or Bluetooth. The only people who complain about it are techies and probably audiophiles. Out of tens of millions of iPhone 7 owners, I guarantee a small single-digit percentage of them ever think about the 3.5 mm jack (or lack thereof).

And the bottom of the phone looks 10x better without a dust-filled hole in it.

Forget the "gloryhole", I was a little bit dirty minded