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iPhone 8 Concepts Explore How Apple Could Hide or 'Embrace' the Display's Sensor Notch

OldSchoolMacGuy said:
Lack of Touch ID would require Apple to rewrite their Apple Pay agreement, which means that every retailer and every bank would have to agree to the new one. Remember how long it took for some to get on Apple Pay in the first place? It'd be a huge problem for millions of users while we waited for all of them to accept such a change.

I just don't see them completely leaving Touch ID, especially considering they just added it to the MBP. If they were transitioning away from it to a camera-based system, why put in the work to add it to the MBP, only to remove it and have to integrate the new system a year later?
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Umm, don't be so sure. Does Apple Watch have Touch ID? No. Does Apple Watch use Apple Pay? Yes. Did Apple need to renegotiate all of their agreements just for the Watch? I doubt it.

Their terms probably states that payments will be authorized with some form of secure authentication process. Apple Watch is authenticated through a passcode, and then left authenticated if skin is detected. Arguably, this is not a very secure form of authentication, as a Watch can be removed with a hand covering the back and remain authenticated.

In fact, did you ever notice the "Pay with passcode" option within Apple Pay? I'm not sure where everyone came up with this theory that Touch ID is central to the whole architecture of Apple Pay, because that's just flat out wrong.
 
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Given the iPhone '8' glyph released with the HomePod firmware, I'd say the notch (and the bottom part of the screen) will be visible most of the times.
 
Millah said:
Umm, don't be so sure. Does Apple Watch have Touch ID? No. Does Apple Watch use Apple Pay? Yes. Did Apple need to renegotiate all of their agreements just for the Watch? I doubt it.

Their terms probably states that payments will be authorized with some form of secure authentication process. Apple Watch is authenticated through a passcode, and then left authenticated if skin is detected. Arguably, this is not a very secure form of authentication, as a Watch can be removed with a hand covering the back and remain authenticated.

In fact, did you ever notice the "Pay with passcode" option within Apple Pay? I'm not sure where everyone came up with this theory that Touch ID is central to the whole architecture of Apple Pay, because that's just flat out wrong.
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Doesn't ApplePay even work with the iPhone 5/5c and Apple Watch, which didn't have TouchID? I agree with your post above, people are barking up the wrong tree here.
 
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Millah said:
In fact, did you ever notice the "Pay with passcode" option within Apple Pay? I'm not sure where everyone came up with this theory that Touch ID is central to the whole architecture of Apple Pay, because that's just flat out wrong.
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I agree, TouchID is not a contractual requirement. But its, at the very least assumed, security plus its easy of use are very important for the acceptance of Apple Pay to endusers.
 
I actually like the ears, better than mimicking the ages they have just removed.. And it makes it look at least a little less S8'y.
 
Infiniverse48 said:
What is 99% of smartphone content? 16:9 square corner content.
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16:9 phones are going away. And 99% of apps are made for the screen size, have been long before the iPhone had a 16:9 screen. If all you do is watch video, then that specific ratio matters (and even then, it's not a firm standard). But phones are more than video players, so that association isn't as important. 16:9 will fit in the same space as before, possible even larger.
 
Is there enough room to squeeze two lines of status in the notch? That would leave plenty of room for various status icons like Bluetooth, do not disturb, time, etc.
 
kdarling said:
Zillions of Android users do it. As you said, you'll get used to it, if that's what they implement.
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It could totally be that I'm not used to it yet, I've had an iPhone for the last 9 years. But regardless, that's the least of my worries when it comes to this phone.
 
I absolutely predict a dark mode, it’s a huge battery saver. And I hope the home button isn’t always on screen, it should slide up as needed or with a swipe, like the dock on the iPad.
 
DNichter said:
It is based on a leak. We know there will be a notch so it's reasonable to wonder how Apple will implement with the software.
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I’m sorry but no. Some random graphic designer speculating what Apple might/could do is not news or rumor worthy.
 
Freida said:
If there is the cutout then its a no go for me. Its either going to be visually balanced or I won't like it. Having thicker bar on the top and lower on the bottom = ugly
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Agree with you, for some reason people are crazy about bezel less screen i don't get it, it does help unto some extent i reducing over all phone size, but not at the expense of loosing convenience/ergonomics.
 
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
I just don't see them completely leaving Touch ID, especially considering they just added it to the MBP. If they were transitioning away from it to a camera-based system, why put in the work to add it to the MBP, only to remove it and have to integrate the new system a year later?
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To sell more MBPs. Duh.

Jokes aside: There is no way Apple is walking away from TouchID. Suggesting otherwise is laughable. Evolving TouchID? Sure. That's inevitable. But walking away? Not a chance. I suggest they are likely expanding the approved input methods for accessing the secure enclave to include some form of FacialID/RetinalID. And as long as these new input methods work at least as well as (if not better than) TouchID, I see no harm in additional methods. But any compromise in that trusted experience would be an absolute nightmare for Apple - one I don't see them walking into.

Regarding these mock ups: I've been digging concepts that implement a thin, black bar across the top to better "hide" the drop down area that looks to house the camera and other sensors. Leaving those awkward white spaces on either side of the drop down tab seems kludgy. Just hasn't felt right. It will be interesting to see how Apple implements an edge-to-edge screen into their UX.
 
rlmcguire said:
Where is the clock going to go?
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one word... courage. We got rid of the clock.
why look at the clock on your phone when you can buy an Apple Watch and look at it on your wrist?*


(*Apple watch needs iPhone 8 to be within 2 feet to ensure time accuracy)
 
I hope their is a "dark mode" so we can stop hearing all the whiners, about dark mode. o_O
 
jon3543 said:
The notch looks awful. So did the antenna bands, but at least they were on the back of the phone.
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The cachet of iPhone was created by devices up to iPhone 5. Imagine if Apple had only created iPhones from 6 onwards. They'd have been laughed out, and this continues that trend. This used to be the company of good taste. Smh.
 
agsystems said:
Well - Apple watch has no touch ID and it is accepted - from the bank POV what they want is tokenization and end user validation which the "Face ID" will do with a higher degree than Touch ID.
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True but Apple Watch is an extension of Touch ID using PIN entry. I think so long as Apple includes Touch ID, there is no issue but removing Touch ID might require all new agreements. Hope you're right.
 
Navigation buttons at both sides of the home button ... Android conversion is complete now. Many Thanks to the new Apple™ Next step, remove that apple like shape from behind
 
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No offense OP, but those mockups look atrocious. The one the other dude posted a little later look much better.
 
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